CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) Read OP

MipMap · 25-03-2020 01:01AM

dougm1970 wrote: »

you quoted a poster saying a few weeks to save lives....when that posters quote was replying to a poster speaking about a year or more of social distancing

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9a/1918_spanish_flu_waves.gif/330px-1918_spanish_flu_waves.gif

This is the graph of how the 1918 flue went.
In 6 weeks it peaked and then it took six weeks to fall and then it simmered on a bit - had a third wave and then died out.

These notions that it can last a year or more are not bourne out by history.

Steve F · 25-03-2020 01:02AM

Mwengwe wrote: »

But social distancing is essentially staying at home and avoiding people, there's no real distinction there. The only difference is the level of enforcement.

I was lead to believe social distancing is this 2m malarkey,plus not gathering together.

Staying inside or in your own Garden= Isolation

No?

arcticmonkeys · 25-03-2020 01:02AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Fair play to Simon. He's not well and doing a fantastic job.

Nice to see one of own speak so candidly and honestly. Cant imagine seeing any of the U.S or British politicans speaking to its people like that without it looking pandering.

bekker · 25-03-2020 01:03AM

owlbethere wrote: »

Good post.

I wonder is there any development on a test to see if someone already got this Covid-19?

Already comprehensively dismissed on the basis of viral DNA.

WHO et al

Apologies, intended to reply to original post.

Strazdas · 25-03-2020 01:04AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The Evolutionary Ecology of Infectious Disease group at Oxford University believe coronavirus has been circulating in the UK since at least mid-January.

https://www.ft.com/content/5ff6469a-6dd8-11ea-89df-41bea055720b

Not only that, but they think half the UK population has it (or has had it in the last 2-3 months).

Jurgen Klopp · 25-03-2020 01:05AM

iguana wrote: »

Ok, so I went back and started reading some of the earlier threads. And back on thread two there was a little speculation about the really bad flu that was going around at Christmas with very, very similar symptoms to Covid-19. So out of curiosity I started googling and lots of countries were either reporting an unexpectedly early and large flu surge from December 27-31st 2019 or, like Malaysia denying claims they were experiencing a surge in flu cases.

If Corononavirus was spreading in China from some point in November but not detected until the last week of January. Is it really so impossible that what was being assumed was a surge in flu cases on December 27th in the UK, Ireland and the US was at least in part an early spread of Covid 19? Were we really having an 'especially severe' flu outbreak in many regions of the world where "An early start to the season has left 2,092 people in England needing treatment for the contagious virus so far in 2019. By comparison, there were just 256 hospital admissions with flu at the same point 12 months ago." Right at the same time as a global pandemic of a virus which presents with flu like symptoms was already underway for several weeks?

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/irish-hospitals-breaking-point-after-21172185
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-7810129/Flu-cases-EIGHT-TIMES-higher-point-UK-winter.html
https://www.fox5atlanta.com/video/639365
https://www.nst.com.my/news/nation/2019/12/552217/influenza-infections-still-within-normal-parameters-says-health-dg
https://time.com/5758953/flu-season-2019-2020/

I'm actually open minded to this.

But if it was Corona surely we'd have seen at least a couple of countries getting whacked with large amount of deaths and full ICUs

Gone Drinking · 25-03-2020 01:05AM

Mwengwe wrote: »

It's not a few weeks, it's 12-18 months possibly. I personally would breeze through this if I knew it was going to be just for 12 weeks or so. What we're looking at is going to be very difficult and unprecedented.
Humans aren't meant to be isolated for long periods of time. There will be long-term effects and you can't just dismiss it with 'don't be so spoilt, do your duty'.

You know there's been multiple scenarios in the past where people have had to stay isolated in far more stressful circumstances, right? A well documented case was written by one Anne Frank.

And that was without the added aid of technology we have today.. we're not really isolated at all.

I agree this will have a negative impact on a small percentage, but the general populate will cope, as shown in history.

wakka12 · 25-03-2020 01:05AM

Are 50% of cases still in Dublin?
1330 doesnt sound like all that much for a whole country but 665 in one city seems like a lot actually

JP Liz V1 · 25-03-2020 01:05AM

Is there a test centre in every county now?

Professor Moriarty · 25-03-2020 01:06AM

Strazdas wrote: »

Not only that, but they think half the UK population has it (or has had it in the last 2-3 months).

Would you have a link to that?

Mwengwe · 25-03-2020 01:06AM

Steve F wrote: »

I was lead to believe social distancing is this 2m malarkey,plus not gathering together.

Staying inside or in your own Garden= Isolation

No?

All the same to me really, life is going to suck without being able to gather with friends. Even with isolation you're allowed go for a walk (once a day in the UK anyway).

Strazdas · 25-03-2020 01:08AM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Would you have a link to that?

Yes, the Daily Mail are leading with the same story :

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8148529/Coronavirus-infected-half-British-population-say-Oxford-University-experts.html

Jurgen Klopp · 25-03-2020 01:08AM

MipMap wrote: »

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9a/1918_spanish_flu_waves.gif/330px-1918_spanish_flu_waves.gif

This is the graph of how the 1918 flue went.
In 6 weeks it peaked and then it took six weeks to fall and then it simmered on a bit - had a third wave and then died out.

These notions that it can last a year or more are not bourne out by history.

Interesting.

But would that not be based on the fact it ripped through the entire population of a nation at the time?

We would seem to approaching a more catch and release with this amongst populations?

JP Liz V1 · 25-03-2020 01:08AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The Evolutionary Ecology of Infectious Disease group at Oxford University believe coronavirus has been circulating in the UK since at least mid-January.

https://www.ft.com/content/5ff6469a-6dd8-11ea-89df-41bea055720b

I think some strain of CoronaVirus was in Ireland in December January, that flu was brutal and strong

Mwengwe · 25-03-2020 01:08AM

Strazdas wrote: »

Not only that, but they think half the UK population has it (or has had it in the last 2-3 months).

I'm not sure how legit these guys are but if it's been circulating that long there's a possibility I had it. But I'm sceptical. I feel like I remember this being debunked a few times.

CofMixture · 25-03-2020 01:09AM

iguana wrote: »

Ok, so I went back and started reading some of the earlier threads. And back on thread two there was a little speculation about the really bad flu that was going around at Christmas with very, very similar symptoms to Covid-19. So out of curiosity I started googling and lots of countries were either reporting an unexpectedly early and large flu surge from December 27-31st 2019 or, like Malaysia denying claims they were experiencing a surge in flu cases.

If Corononavirus was spreading in China from some point in November but not detected until the last week of January. Is it really so impossible that what was being assumed was a surge in flu cases on December 27th in the UK, Ireland and the US was at least in part an early spread of Covid 19? Were we really having an 'especially severe' flu outbreak in many regions of the world where "An early start to the season has left 2,092 people in England needing treatment for the contagious virus so far in 2019. By comparison, there were just 256 hospital admissions with flu at the same point 12 months ago." Right at the same time as a global pandemic of a virus which presents with flu like symptoms was already underway for several weeks?

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/irish-hospitals-breaking-point-after-21172185
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-7810129/Flu-cases-EIGHT-TIMES-higher-point-UK-winter.html
https://www.fox5atlanta.com/video/639365
https://www.nst.com.my/news/nation/2019/12/552217/influenza-infections-still-within-normal-parameters-says-health-dg
https://time.com/5758953/flu-season-2019-2020/

Yep, myself and the GF were talking about that earlier. We're both convinced the dose we had early January was CV19. We've both had the flu at different points in our lives but that dose felt different to any other ailment we've had before. All the same symptoms as corona - fever, very bad cough, unbelievable fatigue etc that lasted nearly 2 weeks.

I don't think it's much of a stretch to think CV19 got here a few weeks before it was first confirmed.

owlbethere · 25-03-2020 01:09AM

bekker wrote: »

Already comprehensively dismissed on the basis of viral DNA.

WHO et al

Apologies, intended to reply to original post.

That is disappointing

Steve F · 25-03-2020 01:09AM

Mwengwe wrote: »

All the same to me really, life is going to suck without being able to gather with friends. Even with isolation you're allowed go for a walk (once a day in the UK anyway).

Genuinely interested is there going to be support for when people start struggling?
This has to be a concern

dePeatrick · 25-03-2020 01:09AM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I think some strain of CoronaVirus was in Ireland in December January, that flu was brutal and strong

Did you get it?

YFlyer · 25-03-2020 01:11AM

MipMap wrote: »

Saw this in RTE news!
This is ridiculous!

I like the ole drink. Joke about it. Don't see it essential.

wakka12 · 25-03-2020 01:12AM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I think some strain of CoronaVirus was in Ireland in December January, that flu was brutal and strong

There is no evidence of this
Flu patients are tested for the strain they have contracted. If coronavirus was going around, it would have showed up in tests, as an uknown new virus.

YFlyer · 25-03-2020 01:12AM

dePeatrick wrote: »

Did you get it?

I'll say she didn't.

cj maxx · 25-03-2020 01:13AM

iguana wrote: »

Ok, so I went back and started reading some of the earlier threads. And back on thread two there was a little speculation about the really bad flu that was going around at Christmas with very, very similar symptoms to Covid-19. So out of curiosity I started googling and lots of countries were either reporting an unexpectedly early and large flu surge from December 27-31st 2019 or, like Malaysia denying claims they were experiencing a surge in flu cases.

If Corononavirus was spreading in China from some point in November but not detected until the last week of January. Is it really so impossible that what was being assumed was a surge in flu cases on December 27th in the UK, Ireland and the US was at least in part an early spread of Covid 19? Were we really having an 'especially severe' flu outbreak in many regions of the world where "An early start to the season has left 2,092 people in England needing treatment for the contagious virus so far in 2019. By comparison, there were just 256 hospital admissions with flu at the same point 12 months ago." Right at the same time as a global pandemic of a virus which presents with flu like symptoms was already underway for several weeks?

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/irish-hospitals-breaking-point-after-21172185
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-7810129/Flu-cases-EIGHT-TIMES-higher-point-UK-winter.html
https://www.fox5atlanta.com/video/639365
https://www.nst.com.my/news/nation/2019/12/552217/influenza-infections-still-within-normal-parameters-says-health-dg
https://time.com/5758953/flu-season-2019-2020/

I had that 'flu' and from what I remember was lethargy,

JP Liz V1 · 25-03-2020 01:13AM

dePeatrick wrote: »

Did you get it?

Yes worse ever, needed two courses of steroids and antibiotics to finally clear, I'm asthmatic but never had that bad

Widdensushi · 25-03-2020 01:14AM

I had it, I think it has been proved it was a bad strain of the ordinary flu,a number of older people died in this area when it was here though.

Professor Moriarty · 25-03-2020 01:14AM

Strazdas wrote: »

Yes, the Daily Mail are leading with the same story :

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8148529/Coronavirus-infected-half-British-population-say-Oxford-University-experts.html

Thanks. It's a theory that has yet to be tested according to the researcher. If 50% have already got the virus then there would have already been a huge spike in ICU requirements. Plus a spike in mortality rates.

threeball · 25-03-2020 01:14AM

Trump looks like a guy trying to discount himself from the next presidential run

We're going to start freeing up the country.

We're nearing the end of this war.

I think Easter, our churches will be full at Easter, it'll be beautiful, I think that's a beautiful date.

They'll surpass Italy's case numbers in two days, China within 3 and it hasn't even kicked off yet. It's really only embedded in 3 cities, Chicago and some of the big southern cities have yet to be hit heavily. The death toll in America will be in trumps words tremendous.

MipMap · 25-03-2020 01:15AM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Thanks. It's a theory that has yet to be tested according to the researcher. If 50% have already got the virus then there would have already been a huge spike in ICU requirements. Plus a spike in mortality rates.

Does not explain what is happening in Spain and Italy and France and USA

Mwengwe · 25-03-2020 01:15AM

Interesting article about serological tests

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/uk-coronavirus-blood-test-antibodies

25-03-2020 01:16AM

Jurgen Klopp wrote: »

I'm actually open minded to this.

But if it was Corona surely we'd have seen at least a couple of countries getting whacked with large amount of deaths and full ICUs

A tiny percentage of the population end up dead or in ICUs. I think what we're saying in the last few weeks is the effects of the virus spreading so much, it's catching everyone in that tiny percentage. That simply takes time and it's had that time.

I'm convinced I had this in December, as are some friends. We're next to China so hardly implausible. We all came down with it around the same time with a very bad cough and sore chest and that. Some worse than others with me being the worst. It was really doing the rounds. My thinking is that plenty of people around me had it as well but were asymptomatic.

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