CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) Read OP

spookwoman · 24-03-2020 03:43PM

techdiver wrote: »

This basically confirms my suspicion that the daily figures are pretty much meaningless. Whilst the motives and intention of the government and HSE are admirable, we are not processing this community testing in a meaningful useful way. Between the waits for testing and the delays in processing the results the figures are not going to be correct.

Many people will be free of the virus before being screened/tested and as was admitted by Doctor Holohan, many swabs may expire before being analysed. You might say, "so what?" The issue of not identifying people who were infected has wide ranging implications. People receiving negative test results are a "case closed" from a HSE perspective, so if they happen to have been waiting too long for a test and recovered there will be no contact tracing for that person. There will also be inaccurate infection figures and potential "herd immunity" figures as a result also.

What is the solution? I do not know. How "technical" is the analysis of tests? Can people from other disciplines be quickly retrained to perform this task? From a screening point of view, I don't see a valid reason for the staff performing the swabs needing to be health professionals. To me, anyone could perform that task. This is an unprecedented time in our history and we cannot view this from the perspective of what we previously understood to be normal. With that in mind we need to approach this crisis with a different mindset. I'm sure this is what is/will happen hopefully.

There was something the other day when talking with the lab guy that they needed extra computing capacity. One suggestion would be setup something like seti@home and have people use their computers to run the numbers. Once a packet is done it uploads back to the main system.

wakka12 · 24-03-2020 03:43PM

Governor of New York says peak in NYC will be 2-3 weeks away, 4-6 weeks for the rest of the U.S
Has advised that screening for people with antibodies should take place across the country so those people can go back to work and maintain the economy

jackboy · 24-03-2020 03:43PM

Martina1991 wrote: »

Way off.

I hope you are correct. Taking samples without lab capacity for timely analysis would be worrying.

kyote00 · 24-03-2020 03:43PM

He is nailling Trump to the cross...

ettravel wrote: »

Cuomo is a class act.

SlowBlowin · 24-03-2020 03:43PM

techdiver wrote: »

This basically confirms my suspicion that the daily figures are pretty much meaningless. Whilst the motives and intention of the government and HSE are admirable, we are not processing this community testing in a meaningful useful way. Between the waits for testing and the delays in processing the results the figures are not going to be correct.

Many people will be free of the virus before being screened/tested and as was admitted by Doctor Holohan, many swabs may expire before being analysed. You might say, "so what?" The issue of not identifying people who were infected has wide ranging implications. People receiving negative test results are a "case closed" from a HSE perspective, so if they happen to have been waiting too long for a test and recovered there will be no contact tracing for that person. There will also be inaccurate infection figures and potential "herd immunity" figures as a result also.

What is the solution? I do not know. How "technical" is the analysis of tests? Can people from other disciplines be quickly retrained to perform this task? From a screening point of view, I don't see a valid reason for the staff performing the swabs needing to be health professionals. To me, anyone could perform that task. This is an unprecedented time in our history and we cannot view this from the perspective of what we previously understood to be normal. With that in mind we need to approach this crisis with a different mindset. I'm sure this is what is/will happen hopefully.

Yes, and every press conference someone says "we are XXX cases now", where they really are saying "a week/10 days ago we were at least xxx cases".

As several posters have said the only reliable up to date figures we have are deaths and number in ICU.

martingriff · 24-03-2020 03:45PM

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

So true, especially the bunch of **** that headed to McD's when they heard it was closing. Its hard to imagine that there are that many utterly stupid people in this country.

I actually have no problem with them as they were drive through so they are apart

1800_Ladladlad · 24-03-2020 03:46PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

Lot of curtain-twitchers on this thread.

Mind your own business and stop looking out the window would be my advice.

Keep your MrPrice advice

What makes you think I wasn't minding own business

It was an observation on peoples behaviours who live next to me or on my road, peoples houses in which I have to pass in order to go for a walk or go to get food. It's not that hard to comprehend. Their actions have an impact on the people that they have around them and to the greater public.

Like the many we have seen in the past few days, they are consciously ignoring government recommendations regarding social distancing etc and are not taking this situation seriously. I couldn't give a fiddlers fart what people do in their own homes as that's none of my business but when adults openly display irresponsible and selfish behaviour, when in
the time of a global pandemic that has the potential to impact the public and those who are vulnerable, through community transmission, it becomes my business! Talking about it on a public discussion forum and highlighting the utter disregard shown by adults towards public health, simply does not equate to being a "curtain-twitcher", its selfish and dangerous!!!

josip · 24-03-2020 03:47PM

wadacrack wrote: »

Bergamo has a population of only 120,000

https://twitter.com/tancredipalmeri/status/1242461575077859330

Dwarf.Shortage wrote: »

If that's all true you're talking about 1 in 8 30 year olds in Bergamo are currently in hospital with pneumonia. It seems too bad to be true (I hope).

I suspect he's referring to the province of the same name (pop. 1.1 million) rather than the town/city.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Province_of_Bergamo

bekker · 24-03-2020 03:48PM

techdiver wrote: »

This basically confirms my suspicion that the daily figures are pretty much meaningless. Whilst the motives and intention of the government and HSE are admirable, we are not processing this community testing in a meaningful useful way. Between the waits for testing and the delays in processing the results the figures are not going to be correct.

Many people will be free of the virus before being screened/tested and as was admitted by Doctor Holohan, many swabs may expire before being analysed. You might say, "so what?" The issue of not identifying people who were infected has wide ranging implications. People receiving negative test results are a "case closed" from a HSE perspective, so if they happen to have been waiting too long for a test and recovered there will be no contact tracing for that person. There will also be inaccurate infection figures and potential "herd immunity" figures as a result also.

What is the solution? I do not know. How "technical" is the analysis of tests? Can people from other disciplines be quickly retrained to perform this task? From a screening point of view, I don't see a valid reason for the staff performing the swabs needing to be health professionals. To me, anyone could perform that task. This is an unprecedented time in our history and we cannot view this from the perspective of what we previously understood to be normal. With that in mind we need to approach this crisis with a different mindset. I'm sure this is what is/will happen hopefully.

Fully agree, the inertia to be overcome to switch the prevailing 'Official Mindset' from it's normal "That can't be done because" over to the "Let's get a working solution to this by morning, people" is massive, and there is no evidence that political will and drive to do that is there.

To the usual suspects, please read carefully and provide evidence, not assertions.

is_that_so · 24-03-2020 03:51PM

Meanwhile in Sweden!

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0324/1126094-coronavirus-sweden-restaurants/

flashforward · 24-03-2020 03:51PM

SlowBlowin wrote: »

As several posters have said the only reliable up to date figures we have are deaths and number in ICU.

Unfortunately this is not true. I know of a case in the 'east' where the patient is in ICU and it took 5 days for the C-19 positive result to come back. For 5 days this patient was in ICU and wasn't even listed as an active case let alone a 'serious/critical' case.

Truly shocking.

is_that_so · 24-03-2020 03:51PM

bekker wrote: »

Fully agree, the inertia to be overcome to switch the prevailing 'Official Mindset' from it's normal "That can't be done because" over to the "Let's get a working solution to this by morning, people" is massive, and there is no evidence that political will and drive to do that is there.

To the usual suspects, please read carefully and provide evidence, not assertions.

This is an assertion!:D

ShyMets · 24-03-2020 03:52PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Meanwhile in Sweden!

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0324/1126094-coronavirus-sweden-restaurants/

I can see that ending well.

spookwoman · 24-03-2020 03:53PM

EDITORIAL: STAY AT HOME
https://twitter.com/WaterfordNS/status/1242416431205158912?s=20

is_that_so · 24-03-2020 03:55PM

ShyMets wrote: »

I can see that ending well.

It is headscratching for sure. Wait and see on it I guess.

Inquitus · 24-03-2020 03:55PM

statesaver · 24-03-2020 03:55PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Meanwhile in Sweden!

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0324/1126094-coronavirus-sweden-restaurants/

Sweden really is lost.

skimpydoo · 24-03-2020 03:56PM

India has just gone into full lockdown. if 1.6 Billion people are being put in lockdown. Why cant the Irish Govt do the fuking same?

Martina1991 · 24-03-2020 03:56PM

techdiver wrote: »

What is the solution? I do not know. How "technical" is the analysis of tests?
1. Can people from other disciplines be quickly retrained to perform this task?
2. From a screening point of view, I don't see a valid reason for the staff performing the swabs needing to be health professionals. To me, anyone could perform that task. This is an unprecedented time in our history and we cannot view this from the perspective of what we previously understood to be normal. With that in mind we need to approach this crisis with a different mindset. I'm sure this is what is/will happen hopefully.

1. No, only personnel qualified to work in clincial labs can process the tests.

2. Some helthcare professionals have their work suspended. Off the top of my head, staff that primarily worked in outpatient departments can be redeployed at testing centres to take the swabs.

You would think taking a swab is a simple task but it still has to be done correctly. 2 swabs are taken, 1 from the throat, 1 from the nose.
If you don't swab the correct area i.e right at the back of the throat and right up the nasal cavity then you won't get a good sample. The quality of the sample is so important.

This task cannot be just left to the public to do themselves as they may not take the swabs correctly. I say that because I see urine and feces specimens sent into the lab in every container you can imagine; 7up bottles, jam jars, pill bottles. Any specimen not taken correctly has to be rejected.

paw patrol · 24-03-2020 03:56PM

skimpydoo wrote: »

India has just gone into full lockdown. if 1.6 Billion people are being put in lockdown. Why cant the Irish Govt do the fuking same.

cos maybe we don't need to...

wakka12 · 24-03-2020 03:57PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Meanwhile in Sweden!

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0324/1126094-coronavirus-sweden-restaurants/

'"We cannot allow the human desperation in Wuhan and Bergamo to be repeated in Sweden. That would be a gamble that violates society's most fundamental principle: that every person has an inherent value," the editor-in-chief of Sweden's biggest newspaper, Dagens Nyheter, wrote on Sunday'

um what?

caveat emptor · 24-03-2020 03:57PM

Martina1991 wrote: »

Is this the article you're referring to?
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus-test-backlog-how-did-it-emerge-and-can-it-be-controlled-1.4210269

I don't see where is mentions only 33% of 4,500 tests awill be carried out. 33% of 4,500 is 1,350, and we're currently getting through ~2,000 a day as it is.

You said that the extra hospital labs are tied up processing internal testing. That means the plan is hospital labs will process Covid samples from patients that are in the hospital and its healthcare workers. Samples from the community will be sent to the NVRL.

The samples can also be frozen and stored if required to prevent sample degradation.

eh no it's not. It's 1500.

AdrianG08 · 24-03-2020 03:58PM

Heres my first hand experience. My mother in law has tested positive following being admitted to hospital for existing issues. Unfortunately she has severe underlying conditions, cancer, needs oxygen at home normally, so prognosis is not good for her now unfortunately. Currently stable in hospital, but awful for family as they have no contact, and no idea when the virus should fully take hold etc...

Did her best to isolate, but lives in a house with husband, 2 adult children and all of their kids (house of 9 in total)

2 of the adult children (30s and 40s) along with her husband are sick, but all have different symptoms. They contacted HSE to organise tests, also via GP but they simply cannot get tested. This is despite being in a house where there was high risk patient. They have just more or less been told to lay low and see what happens pretty much.

Don't think the capacity is there to process the tests, one of the members of the household was tested last Monday (16th March) but no sign of results yet.

FVP3 · 24-03-2020 03:58PM

skimpydoo wrote: »

India has just gone into full lockdown. if 1.6 Billion people are being put in lockdown. Why cant the Irish Govt do the fuking same.

Let's see if we need it.

facehugger99 · 24-03-2020 03:58PM

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

Keep your MrPrice advice

What makes you think I wasn't minding own business It was an observation on peoples behaviours who live next to me or on my road, peoples houses in which I have to pass in order to go for a walk or go to get food. It's not that hard to comprehend. Their actions have an impact on the people that they have around them and to the greater public.

Like the many we have seen in the past few days, they are consciously ignoring government recommendations regarding social distancing etc and are not taking this situation seriously. I couldn't give a fiddlers fart what people do in their own homes as that's none of my business but when adults openly display irresponsible and selfish behaviour, when in
the time of a global pandemic that has the potential to impact the public and those who are vulnerable, through community transmission, it becomes my business! Talking about it on a public discussion forum and highlighting the utter disregard shown by adults towards public health, simply does not equate to being a "curtain-twitcher", its selfish and dangerous!!!

You're right - you should shout at them through your letterbox the next time they are passing

Muahahaha · 24-03-2020 03:59PM

Is there an announcement or presser at 4pm?

is_that_so · 24-03-2020 03:59PM

wakka12 wrote: »

'"We cannot allow the human desperation in Wuhan and Bergamo to be repeated in Sweden. That would be a gamble that violates society's most fundamental principle: that every person has an inherent value," the editor-in-chief of Sweden's biggest newspaper, Dagens Nyheter, wrote on Sunday'

um what?

The Swedes are just different! They do have a WHO bod advising them though.

fr336 · 24-03-2020 03:59PM

Bit worried about my mum she has some kind of stomach bug, has a chill (so not high temperature?) and got hardly any sleep last night. Has a cough only in the mornings as she has asthma and too much fresh air can start that up reguarly. Could be total coincidence but obviously hoping to god it's not this. She had the stomach thing last week too on and off so thinking it's hopefully not this. Just very bad timing maybe. Possibly stress related too with all this.

1800_Ladladlad · 24-03-2020 04:00PM

https://twitter.com/farmersjournal/status/1242075118186180611

Martina1991 · 24-03-2020 04:00PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

eh no it's not. It's 1500.

sorry, bad maths. We're still getting through more than that currently. I dont see why capacity will suddenly reduce with more labs coming on stream.

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