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CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) *Read OP*

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  • #4412
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Martina1991 wrote: »
    Outbreaks happen every so often.
    The Ebola virus outbreak sticks in my mind as it was recent enough.

    I remember all the plans that were put in place for the Ebola virus at work.
    PPE, isolation rooms, SOPs, how would we process patient samples. The virus was transmitted through fluids so opening blood samples on a tracked analyser would require decontaminating our whole system for each sample.
    Thankfully that outbreak didnt hit us hard, but we still had to prepare.

    Imagine if we had set up testing centres and developed expensive testing kits and closed all borders at the time. We would cripple the economy every time there was an outbreak.

    That would have been wildly excessive and a waste of time and resources. We didnt set up testing centres for zika either, or swine flu or any other outbreak .
    So why should we have acted sooner for this outbreak?

    We have specialists and experts in positions of power to plan accordingly to any national threat.

    Epidemiologists, scientists, economists, the department of health, the HSE. Its their job to act appropriately when we have to.

    Your comments come from a place of hindsight. Why didn't we see it coming?
    No one saw this coming.


    Well not no-one. Anybody who plans things on a slightly longer scale than the election cycle.

    This is what Bill Gates had to say about epidemics, back in 2015
    But these tools must be part of an overall global health system – and epidemic preparedness should look like war preparedness, with full-time workers and reserves ready to deploy rapidly, and to see how well people are prepared.
    Medical reserve corps, with lots of people with training and expertise ready to deploy.

    Cuba was able to send 53 doctors to Italy. China did likewise internally. Zero EU help. We are me feiners at hearth (countries). Germany banning export of PPE. This shouldn't be forgotten.



    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/03/bill-gates-epidemic-pandemic-preparedness-ebola-covid-19/


  • #4413
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,351 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Sober Crappy Chemis wrote: »
    Seriously, 6 dead is terrible.

    Will we ever actually reach 85,000 dead in Ireland as predicted by some back in previous iterations of this thread?

    Genuine question?

    A lot of those predictions were based on worst case scenarios and also social distancing not implemented. The main reason fatalities are so low is that rate of infections has been slow and steady rather than huge peaks. This has meant that hospitals can cope.


  • #4414
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,067 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    fritzelly wrote: »
    (Crap - closed the reply tab by mistake and cannot remember everything I wrote)

    Countries are ignoring WHO advice (bar general viral guidelines like wash your hands ;)) when they have from the very start being saying keep trade going with China, don't block them, don't cancel flights etc etc.

    They are far too policised (and too well funded from a certain country) - 500 million held in a pandemic bond that is at least 3 weeks away from being released if ever

    Dr Ryan still saying don't go into lockdown - every country looking at Italy and going feck that we are locking down now!
    Who to believe - the WHO or the rest of the world?
    Gotcha. I read your question as a question, apologies. The WHO are a disappointment, yes, no argument.


  • #4415
    Sober Crappy Chemis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 461 ✭✭Sober Crappy Chemis


    joeguevara wrote: »
    A lot of those predictions were based on worst case scenarios and also social distancing not implemented. The main reason fatalities are so low is that rate of infections has been slow and steady rather than huge peaks. This has meant that hospitals can cope.

    Thats a good thing right?


  • #4416
    Coyote
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,239 ✭✭✭Coyote


    joeguevara wrote: »
    A lot of those predictions were based on worst case scenarios and also social distancing not implemented. The main reason fatalities are so low is that rate of infections has been slow and steady rather than huge peaks. This has meant that hospitals can cope.

    please watch this video on exponential growth


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  • #4417
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,067 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    joeguevara wrote: »
    A lot of those predictions were based on worst case scenarios and also social distancing not implemented. The main reason fatalities are so low is that rate of infections has been slow and steady rather than huge peaks. This has meant that hospitals can cope.
    The main reason fatalities are so "low" is that this sh*t is only starting. It's only 3 weeks since our first case.


  • #4418
    rossie1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,527 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    Sober Crappy Chemis wrote: »
    So where are we compared to Italy then?

    We are two weeks behind with them having 12.6 times our population?

    In two weeks we will have 5000 cases and 482 deaths?

    Not an apples to apples comparison. The average age of hospitalizations in Italy is 67, its 44 in Ireland younger than the average age in China which was 47 and saw lower death rate than Italy in confirmed cases.

    I highlighted when Italy, Spain and UK had similar number of confirmed cases to ours few hours ago, all had more deaths after 1,000 confirmed https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112928849&postcount=3827


  • #4419
    Sober Crappy Chemis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 461 ✭✭Sober Crappy Chemis


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    This is what Bill Gates had to say about epidemics, back in 2015

    If that video teaches me one thing, it's that money cannot buy charisma or a strong set of vocal chords.


  • #4420
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,351 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    I am so mad.

    I have legit not left the house for 8 days not for shopping not for a walk not even to receive a package. I havent walked outside the door. College is doing distance learning. My job i would say is gone.

    Yet just now i have been told by someone who keeps posting #STAYATHOME online everywhere that he is having visitors over and going out to visit others. I know of a dr whose husband is going to a private sports club still open.

    People are posting about social distancing yet NOT doing it. For a long time it was bloody govt ministers.

    Then someone who works in a bank told me they were considered key workers. WHY? Because they are tellers who give out cash to the elderly who never got used to using atms and cards. DO YOU BELIEVE THIS? THE ELDERLY ARE STILL GOING TO THE BANK THREE TIMES A WEEK APPARENTLY TO GET CASH. The VERY groups we are all doing this to protect.

    I'm done i am looking after myself and my family. I am protecting US.

    My brother as a civil servant has been transferred to the HSE dept but even HE is working from home this week.

    People are being fake.

    If people are putting themselves at risk by going out in public for non essential things even after all the directions are at this stage bordering on the insane. One good thing about people working in banks though is that the tellers are protected by reinforced glass so are not at risk of droplets. If they sanitise hands after every customer then risk is low. But for fcuck sake why people are continuing to queue up is beyond me.


  • #4421
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    spookwoman wrote: »
    This is why paddy cosgrove was looking for some details to get this set up here. No names involved. Pretty impressive dashboard
    https://co.vid19.sg/dashboard

    Holy sh!t that dashboard is amazing. Obviously raises privacy concerns but very important info. Why are we not using web tools more. HSE look medieval.

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    506770.png


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  • #4422
    Sober Crappy Chemis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 461 ✭✭Sober Crappy Chemis


    rossie1977 wrote: »
    Not an apples to apples comparison. The average age of hospitalizations in Italy is 67, its 44 in Ireland younger than the average age in China which was 47 and saw lower death rate than Italy in confirmed cases.

    I highlighted when Italy, Spain and UK had similar number of confirmed cases to ours few hours ago, all had more deaths after 1,000 confirmed https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112928849&postcount=3827

    So, 85000 deaths in Ireland then?

    Shoot, does that mean the schools wont reopen next week?


  • #4423
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,351 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Sober Crappy Chemis wrote: »
    Thats a good thing right?

    Yes.


  • #4424
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,067 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    spookwoman wrote: »
    This is why paddy cosgrove was looking for some details to get this set up here. No names involved. Pretty impressive dashboard
    https://co.vid19.sg/dashboard
    Yeah, this "ooh, my privacy" crap is ridiculous in this scenario.


  • #4425
    Sober Crappy Chemis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 461 ✭✭Sober Crappy Chemis


    joeguevara wrote: »
    Yes.

    Cool, pubs open up again next week?


  • #4426
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Something stark from data. Getting into hospital one thing, getting out another.

    506771.png


  • #4427
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,423 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    joeguevara wrote: »
    If people are putting themselves at risk by going out in public for non essential things even after all the directions are at this stage bordering on the insane. One good thing about people working in banks though is that the tellers are protected by reinforced glass so are not at risk of droplets. If they sanitise hands after every customer then risk is low. But for fcuck sake why people are continuing to queue up is beyond me.


    The bank teller told me he is seeing elderly people que up and the SAME elderly people come in still maybe three times a week.

    People are socializing in each other's homes and posting online about social distancing. Probably people in this thread too and the op.

    In general the Irish people AREN'T doing it. They are just saying they will. And they won't do a lockdown either.


  • #4428
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Network graph slightly better than North / South

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  • #4429
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,150 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Holy sh!t that dashboard is amazing. Obviously raises privacy concerns but very important info. Why are we not using web tools more. HSE look medieval.

    3 irish imports in there if you look


  • #4430
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 11,195 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    a pity caps lock doesnt solve things isnt it

    im not seeing any evidence that merely being outside is in any serious way increasing risks, as long as one is sensible

    anyone who is losing the plot about people being outside seems to me to be just engaging in drama because they enjoy it or because they like telling other people what to do on social media.

    dont understand either behaviour myself but ppl are strange i spose.


  • #4431
    Sober Crappy Chemis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 461 ✭✭Sober Crappy Chemis


    Deleted User wrote: »
    a pity caps lock doesnt solve things isnt it

    im not seeing any evidence that merely being outside is in any serious way increasing risks, as long as one is sensible

    anyone who is losing the plot about people being outside seems to me to be just engaging in drama because they enjoy it or because they like telling other people what to do on social media.

    dont understand either behaviour myself but ppl are strange i spose.

    All great in theory, but wait until we reach 85,000 dead in Ireland as predicted in threads V and VI and VIII.

    (Sorry, I'm being passive aggressive towards the cockwomble, mouth breathing neckbeards who scared the ****s out of various folk a few weeks ago)


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  • #4432
    [Deleted User]
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    Sober Crappy Chemis wrote: »
    All great in theory, but wait until we reach 85,000 dead in Ireland as predicted in threads V and VI and VIII.

    (Sorry, I'm being passive aggressive towards the cockwomble, mouth breathing neckbeards who scared the ****s out of various folk a few weeks ago)

    why dont you wait to see how many dead we have at the peak of this?

    how low a number would make you embarrassed about your last few posts?


  • #4433
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,351 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Deleted User wrote: »
    a pity caps lock doesnt solve things isnt it

    im not seeing any evidence that merely being outside is in any serious way increasing risks, as long as one is sensible

    anyone who is losing the plot about people being outside seems to me to be just engaging in drama because they enjoy it or because they like telling other people what to do on social media.

    dont understand either behaviour myself but ppl are strange i spose.

    Being outside is not an issue. Being outside where in close proximity with others is.


  • #4434
    Sober Crappy Chemis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 461 ✭✭Sober Crappy Chemis


    Deleted User wrote: »
    why dont you wait to see how many dead we have at the peak of this?

    how low a number would make you embarrassed about your last few posts?

    84,999

    Actually, I'll be dead so .... none?


  • #4435
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,067 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Deleted User wrote: »
    im not seeing any evidence that merely being outside is in any serious way increasing risks, as long as one is sensible
    This is the crux of the matter. Most people are sensible, some aren't, and it is the latter who are (for the most part) being justifiably vilified.


  • #4436
    [Deleted User]
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    joeguevara wrote: »
    Being outside is not an issue. Being outside where in close proximity with others is.

    prolonged or excessively close, absolutely joe.

    and if you have to transact, hand washing and serious care is required.

    but not every sod on twitter losing their life because you walked down the road beside the wife.


  • #4437
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,447 ✭✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Something stark from data. Getting into hospital one thing, getting out another.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=506771&stc=1&d=1585021650

    if I'm reading that right, and after some searching, (i just totalled the numbers, 355, and searched for that no. of fatalities) that's:
    of all fatal cases in Italy up to about 8th March, time spent in hospital before the patient died?
    average (median) 5 days, versus median of 11 days in hospital for those who survived?


  • #4438
    frillyleaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 801 ✭✭✭frillyleaf


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Bit of an oxymoron



    As has already been admitted you cannot find all contacts so meanwhile they are going around infecting lots more people and you reach a point where contact tracing becomes pointless
    Why are all these countries locking down?

    Because the health system can’t cope with the rapid increase in cases. This huge surge affects multiple different aspects. Outpatient resources are cut back, healthcare workers are infected, space for sick people, transport of sick people, staff for sick people that need intensive care, space to leave deceased until funerals.

    It all has a huge knock on affect as people have to be specially protected to deal with any of the above, again which takes time and resources.


  • #4439
    DOCARCH
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,884 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    China figures slowly creeping upwards with 78 new cases.


  • #4440
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    DOCARCH wrote: »
    China figures slowly creeping upwards with 78 new cases.

    Fcuking hell, they got it under control. Europe has no chance. The UK probably thinks they're on a national 3 week holiday. People need to cop on and just stay the fcuk home, even if you're not sick.


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  • #4441
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 13,354 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    DOCARCH wrote: »
    China figures slowly creeping upwards with 78 new cases.

    Mostly imports I think?


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