CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) Read OP

Seamai · 23-03-2020 04:58PM

Just back from a trip to the chemist for long term meds and the supermarket for milk.

Here are a few observations:

Quite a few women wearing surgical gloves thinking it absolves them from any other measures. If any of you ladies out there are worried about your long nails, false or otherwise, just get rid of them, nails harbour all sorts of gick under them.

A conversation while waiting for my prescription between the chemist assistant and a customer.

Customer: I'm looking for something for a cough for a six year old.

Assistant: Dry cough or does he have phlegm?

Customer: Dry

Assistant: How long has he got it?

Customer: About a week.

Assistant (looking concerned) Have you spoken to a doctor?

Customer (nonchalantly) No, should I ?

I had to leave at this point WTF!!!

My local Aldi's only concession to the virus are a few lines on the floor near the checkouts and an open pack of surface wipes inside the entrance door, nothing else. Won't be popping back there any time soon. Just about to bang them off an email

Cork Boy 53 · 23-03-2020 04:58PM

Strazdas wrote: »

Definitely dropping : it was around 800 on Saturday.

Still horrendous of course, but they will take any glimmer of hope at this point.

That figure was for all of Italy, not the Lombardy region.

caveat emptor · 23-03-2020 04:58PM

Tony EH wrote: »

Statistically, it's killing older people.

Most of the cases in Germany have been under 60 years of age. That means there's a greater chance of survival.

You don't buy that. But you can buy into some sort of conspiracy to fudge the numbers. :rolleyes:

https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/478220a4c454480e823b17327b2bf1d4

What about in absolute numbers. Granted there are more younger cases but according to this dashboard there are 3500 people between the ages of 60 and 79.

That's many multiples more than have it here. Age doesn't explain it.

ACitizenErased · 23-03-2020 04:59PM

Wibbs wrote: »

I hope to god they're right.

Realistically it'll be another week before we see the numbers for schools closing to see if social distancing works. I expect a decision by next Monday/Tuesday with regards to further measures, if necessary.

kilkenny31 · 23-03-2020 04:59PM

I think Ireland will be OK. We have plenty of notice. We are putting a lot of resources into testing (shaking to start but it will come right) we could actually have a functioning society again soon if we have good testing in place and are able to manage contact tracing. This is the best way to control the virus, not Lockdowns. See quote from RTE website.

"Speaking on Morning Ireland, Dr Christian Lindmeier from the World Health Organization said a 'lockdown' will only be effective if it is part of a comprehensive package of measures to minimise the spread of the coronavirus.

Dr Lindmeier said you first look look at testing, as well as tracing and isolating contacts, then as the second part of the package he said "social distancing can be useful".

In a country where you cannot test everyone, where you do not have enough kits or staff or labaratories, Dr Lindmeier said this was where social distancing was "a useful part of the package", as delaying the spread of the virus facilitated greater preparation to deal with it."

touts · 23-03-2020 05:00PM

Tony EH wrote: »

In short,

The Germans moved on this quicker

They're carrying out over 160,000 tests a week.

They isolated anyone, even with mild symptoms

They got cases into the health system fast

Older folk are doing what they were told to do and not going out

The majority of cases have been under the age of 60

There's nothing hidden about how Germany is handling this. It would impossible for them to do so, as the press are asking the same questions as to why their death toll is so low. Even their own press is asking these questions. It would take a monumental effort to cover up any miscounting and encompass thousands of people.

The Germans were able to do a that because they have a health service that came through the last recession untouched and possibly stronger than it started. Italy, like Ireland, the health system was asset stripped to rebalance the books.

Tony EH · 23-03-2020 05:00PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Age doesn't explain it.

Some sort of silly conspiracy theory does though, yeh. :pac:

BattleCorp · 23-03-2020 05:00PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Brits are tossers,
Germans are good at following orders,
Italians and Spanish are too tactile,
Chinese are cruel,
Irish are rebels.

How many sweeping generalisations can we get going here. There are massive differences in how cases are recorded and classified in every country.

I only introduced one generalisation. The other four or five are yours.

I'm still sticking with my generalisation that Germans are good at following orders so when they are ordered to self-isolate or maintain social distancing, they will do it very well.

frillyleaf · 23-03-2020 05:00PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Brits are tossers,
Germans are good at following orders,
Italians and Spanish are too tactile,
Chinese are cruel,
Irish are rebels.

How many sweeping generalisations can we get going here. There are massive differences in how cases are recorded and classified in every country.

I don't know why it's different in Germany. I'm pretty sure though it's not because they are German.

Yes it would be really interesting to find out the why there is a difference

Pinch Flat · 23-03-2020 05:01PM

The ignorance around it is astounding. The again, I knew of an immune comprised person travel to Italy to go skiing a few weeks ago, so nothing surprises me with peoples stupidity anymore. I've boycotted Aldi as it's just plain unsafe given the current situation. They need to up their game.

23-03-2020 05:01PM

Going to Tesco for bread & milk was a ****ing ordeal.

is_that_so · 23-03-2020 05:02PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Realistically it'll be another week before we see the numbers for schools closing to see if social distancing works. I expect a decision by next Monday/Tuesday with regards to further measures, if necessary.

I think we should still assume a daily rise in the order of 20-30% in cases for now.

BattleCorp · 23-03-2020 05:02PM

jamesf85 wrote: »

Realistically we won't even have these restrictions in 4 weeks time. The economy won't sustain it.

Nope, the economy won't sustain it, but we will have these restrictions in four weeks time nonetheless.

bilston · 23-03-2020 05:02PM

Strazdas wrote: »

Definitely dropping : it was around 800 on Saturday.

Still horrendous of course, but they will take any glimmer of hope at this point.

The 800 was for Italy overall.

The 320 today is just for Lombardy. Italy's national figures will be released at 5pm. However given the majority of deaths are in Lombardy we will hopefully see another reduction.

An Ciarraioch · 23-03-2020 05:05PM

is_that_so wrote: »

I think we should still assume a daily rise in the order of 20-30% in cases for now.

And with the number of tests increasing, so will the number of positives.

FVP3 · 23-03-2020 05:06PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

Nope, the economy won't sustain it, but we will have these restrictions in four weeks time nonetheless.

I think Ireland has a good chance of bouncing back because the well paid workers in google, amazon and so on are not affected. If the pubs and shops open, and there is a built up tendancy to want to spend, then spend they will.

The thing is can we ever go back to where we were? This year or next?

Better testing will release some people to pubs and shops.

bekker · 23-03-2020 05:06PM

FVP3 wrote: »

A dictionary definition of co-morbidity is not an argument.

Sorry, presumed paper title would provide sufficient context.

They were using death certs as a data source and complaining of lack of consistent definition and variations in death attribution. That was in 2006.

So no conspiracy theories necessary.

Cork Boy 53 · 23-03-2020 05:07PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

If the outbreak was getting out of control here there'd be a lockdown. If it's not necessary, there wouldn't. It's clear that our health service is confident a lockdown isn't necessary right now. That's a good sign.

The picture could and most likely will be completely different by the end of this week which is when the authorities have said it will be reviewed. The Mayors of Dublin, Cork and Galway are all calling for a lockdown today.

Pdoghue · 23-03-2020 05:09PM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

The picture could and most likely will be completely different by the end of this week which is when the authorities have said it will be reviewed. The Mayors of Dublin, Cork and Galway are all calling for a lockdown today.

Are the mayors all medical professionals? Just asking.. as Leo said this morning, a decision on further restrictions will be made based on the advice of the chief medical officer, not trumped up parish pump politicians.

redarmy · 23-03-2020 05:09PM

Department of Health briefing today on latest Covid-19 figures is set for 5.45 pm

mick987 · 23-03-2020 05:10PM

Tony EH wrote: »

A flu can kill anyone of any age as it did during the flu pandemic of 1918-20.

The Covid-19 virus has a tendency to kill those over the age of 65. The vast majority of deaths have been older people. Most younger folk don't even know they have it.

Germany has been dealing with a wave of winter flu cases that has resulted in a total of almost 80,000 cases.
Around half of these cases were confirmed within the past two weeks, according to the Germany's federal disease control agency. A report issued by the Robert Koch Institute (RKI) in Berlin found 130 people have died as a result of the flu this season, while almost 13,300 have been hospitalized. This report was published about 10 days ago so the figures are not up to date. Find it weird that germany are doing so well treating Covid 19 but not the flu

BattleCorp · 23-03-2020 05:10PM

FVP3 wrote: »

I think Ireland has a good chance of bouncing back because the well paid workers in google, amazon and so on are not affected. If the pubs and shops open, and there is a built up tendancy to want to spend, then spend they will.

The thing is can we ever go back to where we were? This year or next?

Better testing will release some people to pubs and shops.

We will go back to where we were, eventually. Probably not until a vaccine is widely available.

Some things will stay changed though. People and workplaces will have a higher degree of hygiene and companies/governments will be better prepared for the next time this happens.

Jinglejangle69 · 23-03-2020 05:10PM

Anyone here John Connors giving gus expert opinion and calling out Leo?

Jesus the man is unbearable.

Cork Boy 53 · 23-03-2020 05:11PM

FVP3 wrote: »

I think Ireland has a good chance of bouncing back because the well paid workers in google, amazon and so on are not affected. If the pubs and shops open, and there is a built up tendancy to want to spend, then spend they will.

The thing is can we ever go back to where we were? This year or next?

Better testing will release some people to pubs and shops.

How do you make that out?

Fleetwoodmac · 23-03-2020 05:11PM

bb12 wrote: »

read a chinese scientific paper written from wuhan where they said the dosage of chloroquine has to be managed very carefully...very easy to overdose on it...think they recommend at most 1g per day taken in 2 doses...as little as 2g can kill you

i don't think they put much quinine in tonic water anymore

Average 85mg in bottle tonic water.. I believe but may have changed..and is 100-300mg hydroxychloroquine standard dosage. I may be incorrect. So of course will not be therapeutic levels. The synergy appears to be related to the cells receptivity to subsequent administration of zinc. A good layman's metaanalysis available on medcam.. useful lecture series on you tube.

Rob A. Bank · 23-03-2020 05:12PM

The alternative to 6 foot social distancing… 6 foot under.

iwillyeah1234 · 23-03-2020 05:14PM

+46 deaths in the UK. ( sky news)

Tony EH · 23-03-2020 05:15PM

mick987 wrote: »

Germany has been dealing with a wave of winter flu cases that has resulted in a total of almost 80,000 cases.
Around half of these cases were confirmed within the past two weeks, according to the Germany's federal disease control agency. A report issued by the Robert Koch Institute (RKI) in Berlin found 130 people have died as a result of the flu this season, while almost 13,300 have been hospitalized. This report was published about 10 days ago so the figures are not up to date. Find it weird that germany are doing so well treating Covid 19 but not the flu

Again, A flu can kill anyone.

Covid-19 is tending to kill those in an older age range.

The vast majority of people who catch this virus will live.

Quin_Dub · 23-03-2020 05:16PM

FVP3 wrote: »

I think Ireland has a good chance of bouncing back because the well paid workers in google, amazon and so on are not affected. If the pubs and shops open, and there is a built up tendancy to want to spend, then spend they will.

The thing is can we ever go back to where we were? This year or next?

Better testing will release some people to pubs and shops.

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

How do you make that out?

It's the Antibody test that might help with that - Which is why they are trying to get one approved and available.

That can basically test to see if you've had it and recovered.

In theory - because they don't know for certain as there isn't enough data , if you have already had the virus you are unlikely (or at least much less likely) to get it a second time. That might allow those that have recovered to get back to normal activity ,but it's a risky proposition without the data to support the theory.

A negative test with the current testing is just a snap-shot in time e.g. You don't have it right now , so of no use in clearing people to return to work etc.

walshb · 23-03-2020 05:16PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Anyone here John Connors giving gus expert opinion and calling out Leo?

Jesus the man is unbearable.

Have you link?

Everyone's an expert since social media became available; expert on everything...

The biggest nonsense one is the raid the Apple account to help us out....this came from the leader of one of our big parties....

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CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) Read OP