CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) Read OP

kilkenny31 · 23-03-2020 04:45PM

Stheno wrote: »

no they need an antibody test for that.

It just tells you if you are currently infected

This is the main worry for me. I know somebody who became unwell last Tuesday along with their partner (Fever, Cough, generally feeling unwell) Contacted the DR on Thursday after who told them to self isolate which they are doing but they feel OK since Saturday but still have not been tested, there's a good chance even if it was the virus that they could test negative by the time they get a test.

Kermit.de.frog · 23-03-2020 04:45PM

US2 wrote: »

That's me. Had a nice 4 pints last night too. Only 6 of us in the pub though, what difference is that to being at home with 6 people.

FVP3 · 23-03-2020 04:45PM

peasant wrote: »

Even Germany doesn't have the amount of tests or labs available to thoroughly test 80 million inhabitants. Nor do they have the power to implement measures as strict and intrusive as they used in China.

They will also have to rely on scientific best-guess work and the compliance of the people, like everybody else.

Whatever they are doing, is working. Better than other countries anyway.

You don't have to test everybody though to get an idea of the general penetration, a properly sized random sample is enough.

What it isn't, is Germany fudging the figures.

landofthetree · 23-03-2020 04:46PM

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/garda%C3%AD-shut-down-party-with-80-people-due-to-coronavirus-1.4209978?mode=amp&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Gardaí were forced to break up a house party involving around 80 young people in Longford Town at due to “public health concerns.”

is_that_so · 23-03-2020 04:47PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

INMO Trolley Watch figures for March 23th 2020.

Only 20 beds short in Irish Hospitals today.

Yeah, as it has been for over a week. Read into that what you may!

snowgal · 23-03-2020 04:47PM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

Well they don't have an endless supply of them... so what else do you propose they do?

Antares35 wrote: »

Its also a pity that if it does come to an ICU bed shortage, preference cant be given to those who abided by the measures and acted with some sort of decency.

I know this could never be done in reality at all, but it’s a feckin great, fair system!!

BattleCorp · 23-03-2020 04:48PM

Tony EH wrote: »

In short,
The Germans moved on this quicker

They're carrying out over 160,000 tests a day.

They isolated anyone, even with mild symptoms

They got cases into the health system fast

Older folk are doing what they were told to do and not going out

The majority of cases have been under the age of 60

I know I'm one of those who are sceptical of the German figures, but to be fair, the Germans are very good at following orders so maybe that accounts for some of their lower death rate.

ACitizenErased · 23-03-2020 04:48PM

320 new deaths in the Lombardy region of Italy today.

caveat emptor · 23-03-2020 04:49PM

Tony EH wrote: »

In short,

The Germans moved on this quicker

They're carrying out over 160,000 tests a day.

They isolated anyone, even with mild symptoms

They got cases into the health system fast

Older folk are doing what they were told to do and not going out

The majority of cases have been under the age of 60

There's nothing hidden about how Germany is handling this. It would impossible for them to do so, as the press are asking the same questions as to why their death toll is so low. Even their own press is asking these questions. It would take a monumental effort to cover up any miscounting and encompass thousands of people.

Statistically this disease kills people. If they are not dying in Germany does it mean that all deaths are due to running out of ICU space. It seems that if you have the infection and a pre existing condition that you are at a higher risk of dying? Logically then all of the deaths in Spain, France, UK etc are completely preventable.

I don't buy that.

is_that_so · 23-03-2020 04:49PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

320 new deaths in the Lombardy region of Italy today.

I think that's down from 360 the other day.

bilston · 23-03-2020 04:51PM

Just read on Twitter than there have been 320 deaths in Lombardy in the past 24 hours, that is slightly less than yesterday. Italian national figures to follow in about an hour.

Hopefully another step in the right direction.

Obviously still awful.

mick987 · 23-03-2020 04:51PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

I'd take a lockdown if it means places have a good chance of reopening early April

If we have a lockdown it will be for months that why the government is leaving it as long as possible before they have to do it

Tony EH · 23-03-2020 04:51PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Statistically this disease kills people. If they are not dying in Germany does it mean that all deaths are due to running out of ICU space. It seems that if you have the infection and a pre existing condition that you are at a higher risk of dying? Logically then all of the deaths in Spain, France, UK etc are completely preventable.

I don't buy that.

Statistically, it's killing older people.

Most of the cases in Germany have been under 60 years of age. That means there's a greater chance of survival.

You don't buy that. But you can buy into some sort of conspiracy to fudge the numbers. :rolleyes:

caveat emptor · 23-03-2020 04:52PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

I know I'm one of those who are sceptical of the German figures, but to be fair, the Germans are very good at following orders so maybe that accounts for some of their lower death rate.

Brits are tossers,
Germans are good at following orders,
Italians and Spanish are too tactile,
Chinese are cruel,
Irish are rebels.

How many sweeping generalisations can we get going here. There are massive differences in how cases are recorded and classified in every country.

I don't know why it's different in Germany. I'm pretty sure though it's not because they are German.

Strazdas · 23-03-2020 04:52PM

is_that_so wrote: »

I think that's down from 360 the other day.

Definitely dropping : it was around 800 on Saturday.

Still horrendous of course, but they will take any glimmer of hope at this point.

is_that_so · 23-03-2020 04:52PM

mick987 wrote: »

If we have a lockdown it will be for months that why the government is leaving it as long as possible before they have to do it

Realistically they say 4 weeks is about as long as you can keep a full lockdown under control.

ACitizenErased · 23-03-2020 04:52PM

If the outbreak was getting out of control here there'd be a lockdown. If it's not necessary, there wouldn't. It's clear that our health service is confident a lockdown isn't necessary right now. That's a good sign.

Cee-Jay-Cee · 23-03-2020 04:53PM

WhiteMemento9 wrote: »

If this is actually true. AIB should be done in this Country.

What will happen (and I don't really blame people) is that they will simply stop paying their mortgage like they did in the last recession however this time the banks might not get the same reception they did previously in the courts and will come out of it much worse, hopefully.

is_that_so · 23-03-2020 04:54PM

Strazdas wrote: »

Definitely dropping : it was around 800 on Saturday.

Still horrendous of course, but they will take any glimmer of hope at this point.

Yeah and an encouragement to Italians that what they are doing is making a difference.

mick987 · 23-03-2020 04:54PM

Tony EH wrote: »

Where did you see this. I keep reading this on these threads, but have yet to see any credible source to back it up.

The germans are great at treating covid 19 but not very good at treating the flue over 200 have died from it in the last 3 weeks

Rob A. Bank · 23-03-2020 04:54PM

Distribution of laboratory confirmed cases of COVID-19 in the EU/EEA and the UK, as of 23 March 2020 @ 08:00 hrs.

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Maybe some leveling off of the barchart for daily reported cases in Europe over the last 4 days.

Here's hoping that it is not a glitch and that isolation is beginning to work.

josip · 23-03-2020 04:55PM

Strazdas wrote: »

Definitely dropping : it was around 800 on Saturday.

Still horrendous of course, but they will take any glimmer of hope at this point.

800 was for all of Italy, not just Lombardy

bekker · 23-03-2020 04:55PM

Tony EH wrote: »

In short,

The Germans moved on this quicker

They're carrying out over 160,000 tests a week.

They isolated anyone, even with mild symptoms

They got cases into the health system fast

Older folk are doing what they were told to do and not going out

The majority of cases have been under the age of 60

There's nothing hidden about how Germany is handling this. It would impossible for them to do so, as the press are asking the same questions as to why their death toll is so low. Even their own press is asking these questions. It would take a monumental effort to cover up any miscounting and encompass thousands of people.

Don't attribute to malice that which can also be attributed to stupidity/carelessness, it's far more prevalent.

CASE DEFINITION OF COMORBIDITY
Unfortunately, there is no universally accepted definition of comorbidity. Traditionally, comorbidity has been defined as a disease coexisting with the primary disease of interest, though there are a plethora of examples where this definition has been significantly modified or ignored.

Mortality in COPD: role of comorbidities
D. D. Sin, N. R. Anthonisen, J. B. Soriano, A. G. Agusti
European Respiratory Journal 2006 28: 1245-1257; DOI: 10.1183/09031936.00133805

FVP3 · 23-03-2020 04:55PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Statistically this disease kills people. If they are not dying in Germany does it mean that all deaths are due to running out of ICU space. It seems that if you have the infection and a pre existing condition that you are at a higher risk of dying? Logically then all of the deaths in Spain, France, UK etc are completely preventable.

I don't buy that.

That's an argument to incredulity. It does seem that a lot of deaths are due to the overwhelming of the Italian system. And if the older populations in Germany are self isolating, and that is working, that is a good thing.

Wibbs · 23-03-2020 04:55PM

Pinch Flat wrote: »

There's a retard outbreak as well a a virus outbreak.

And sadly there'll never be a vaccine for that.

ACitizenErased wrote: »

If the outbreak was getting out of control here there'd be a lockdown. If it's not necessary, there wouldn't. It's clear that our health service is confident a lockdown isn't necessary right now. That's a good sign.

I hope to god they're right.

jamesf85 · 23-03-2020 04:55PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Realistically they say 4 weeks is about as long as you can keep a full lockdown under control.

Realistically we won't even have these restrictions in 4 weeks time. The economy won't sustain it.

Thelonious Monk · 23-03-2020 04:56PM

The Deutsche leute wait for the man to turn green before they cross the road, even if you can't see a car for miles in either direction. They will follow the distancing and isolation guidelines better than other countries, and this will stand to them greatly.

FVP3 · 23-03-2020 04:56PM

bekker wrote: »

Don't attribute to malice that which can also be attributed to stupidity/carelessness, it's far more prevalent.

CASE DEFINITION OF COMORBIDITY
Unfortunately, there is no universally accepted definition of comorbidity. Traditionally, comorbidity has been defined as a disease coexisting with the primary disease of interest, though there are a plethora of examples where this definition has been significantly modified or ignored.

Mortality in COPD: role of comorbidities
D. D. Sin, N. R. Anthonisen, J. B. Soriano, A. G. Agusti
European Respiratory Journal 2006 28: 1245-1257; DOI: 10.1183/09031936.00133805

A dictionary definition of co-morbidity is not an argument.

Tony EH · 23-03-2020 04:57PM

mick987 wrote: »

The germans are great at treated covid 19 but not very good at treating the flue over 200 have died from it in the last 3 weeks

A flu can kill anyone of any age as it did during the flu pandemic of 1918-20.

The Covid-19 virus has a tendency to kill those over the age of 65. The vast majority of deaths have been older people. Most younger folk don't even know they have it.

Thelonious Monk · 23-03-2020 04:57PM

landofthetree wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/garda%C3%AD-shut-down-party-with-80-people-due-to-coronavirus-1.4209978?mode=amp&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Gardaí were forced to break up a house party involving around 80 young people in Longford Town at due to “public health concerns.”

Travellers doing traveller things. Scum.

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CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) Read OP