CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) Read OP

Wibbs · 23-03-2020 02:41PM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

I have a couple that say FFP3 NR on the packaging.

But they don't look anywhere near as fancy as your one!

I just bought them for some DIY stuff last year. You see painters wearing them alot.

There is a plastic type vent in the middle of the mask. Any idea what the "NR" might stand for? Would they keep out any small aerosols from this virus, if they're good for paint fumes?

IIRC NR stands for single shift filtration. One and done kinda thing and to be replaced daily, though particulate filters can last much longer in a non dusty environment, like walking around. Some are both particulate filters, basically a really fine sieve, some contain activated carbon, some have both. The carbon will absorb things like paint fumes but get used up as the fumes bond to the carbon. You'll notice this when you start to smell the fumes, in a fresh mask you won't. They have a short shelf life too, unless sealed. Particulate filters of P3 standards will massively reduce the risk of viral particles getting to your airways. Yes the viral particles are slightly smaller than the filtration, but they're in aerosol, snots and sneezes which are much larger. Plus the filtration is not just on pore size, other forces like static will grab even the free floating viral particles.

otnomart · 23-03-2020 02:42PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Pictures of Dutch cities I've seen are completely deserted, absolutely not a soul outside their homes

Not at the week-end though
https://nltimes.nl/2020/03/22/nl-ale...-popular-areas

MOR316 · 23-03-2020 02:42PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Do you work for HSE? Is there a meaning in your username? Or do you just like denying everything? What are your thoughts on the Moon landing?

Neil Armstrong - Was he just a one moonwalk wonder?

Ninthlife · 23-03-2020 02:42PM

Authorities in Montenegro have begun publishing a list of all the people currently in quarantine in the country, in the hope of shaming citizens into not breaking the rules.

A government website has published lists divided by city, which give the names and addresses of those who are meant to be confined to their homes, either because they have returned to Montenegro from abroad or because they came into contact with someone later diagnosed with coronavirus.

Criminal charges can be filed for those who break quarantine, but authorities said there was still a large number of people not complying. A statement on the website said the decision to publish names had been deemed preferable to enforcing a lockdown for the whole country.

Montenegro’s first coronavirus cases were confirmed last week, making it one of the last European countries to declare a case. However, strict measures are already in place, including a ban on flights and the closure of restaurants, pubs and most shops. So far there are 22 confirmed cases in the small coastal country, with the first death from the virus announced on Monday morning, a 65-year-old man.

Hobgoblin11 · 23-03-2020 02:43PM

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

This is a novel Coronavirus. The common cold is also a Coronavirus.

Can someone with more knowledge than me explain the science?

the Hse are recommending soap and water surely dettol works

spookwoman · 23-03-2020 02:43PM

sweet mother of god give me patience!

cdgalwegian · 23-03-2020 02:44PM

spookwoman wrote: »

sweet mother of god give me patience!

People not reading posts beforehand. Just diving in.

Boggles · 23-03-2020 02:44PM

spookwoman wrote: »

sweet mother of god give me patience!

Mary?

TheDenialTwist · 23-03-2020 02:44PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Great link. I've posted similar links but I think that one sums up better.

In your 'sums it up better' just repeats what I said about hand hygiene. And where does it say the general public should wear masks and gloves?

dublin99 · 23-03-2020 02:45PM

cdgalwegian wrote: »

People need to differentiate between masks against Covid-19 being used by healthcare workers - FFP3 - and ordinary surgical masks. Then work from there.
Surgical masks are only good, but very good at, stopping people from touching their faces when they are outside, a major cause of transmission.

Uses for Masks:

Masks are loose fitting, covering the nose and mouth
Designed for one way protection, to capture bodily fluid leaving the wearer
Example – worn during surgery to prevent coughing, sneezing, etc on the vulnerable patient
Contrary to belief, masks are NOT designed to protect the wearer
The vast majority of masks do not have a safety rating assigned to them (e.g. NIOSH or EN)

Uses for Respirators:

Respirators are tight fitting masks, designed to create a facial seal
Non-valved respirators provide good two way protection, by filtering both inflow and outflow of air
These are designed protect the wearer (when worn properly), up to the safety rating of the mask
Available as disposable, half face or full face

More details re masks/respirators in this excellent article:

https://fastlifehacks.com/n95-vs-ffp/

Mwengwe · 23-03-2020 02:46PM

Are there any studies/info on whether droplets can be spread by merely breathing in the same vicinity as someone? I asked this question before but it got a jokey response. I'm getting the feeling more and more that this might be the case but I'm not seeing evidence or anything, other than the evidence of how virulently the virus is spreading

Duke of Url · 23-03-2020 02:47PM

Once Hay-fever season kicks in, This country will shit itself.

MOR316 · 23-03-2020 02:49PM

Duke of Url wrote: »

Once Hay-fever season kicks in, This country will shit itself.

It's easy to spot someone who has Hay-Fever though.

They'll ****ing tell you all about it :rolleyes:

iwillyeah1234 · 23-03-2020 02:49PM

In order to avail of the three month mortgage moratorium from AIB, you must have 2 months worth of mortgage payments saved in your current account - caller to Joe Duffy.

beolight · 23-03-2020 02:49PM

skellig_rocks wrote: »

What about Xi Jinping, President of China?

In my opinion, at least Trump is subjected to media scrutiny and constitutional constraints. I don't think the same can apply to Xi. Xi handling of the initial coverups, playing down the seriousness of the virus and spreading "rumors" about the origin of the virus, etc. When was Xi last press conference since the crisis started?

Was thinking the exact same thing myself this morning after watching his hour and half long press conference last night. The media there don’t hold back with the nasty questions as he calls them but he invariably answers them with his own spin of course and the media if they’re not happy with his answers follow up. If only we had a few journalist here that could do the research and ask the correct questions it’s quite easy to guess what their standard response will be and this should open the door for more I deoth question but no they just nod their and move on to the next question.

TheAsYLuMkeY · 23-03-2020 02:50PM

TheDenialTwist wrote: »

There's already been posts on here about the general public wearing gloves. Frequent and correct hand washing is more effective.

But not as freely available as a box of 100 vinyl gloves in your car.

(hospitals use medical grade nitrile gloves)

is_that_so wrote: »

It's the super careful that's doing it for you! A nurse told me that they are a bit pointless outside as you can easily touch your face but anything that makes people feel safe I suppose.

Thanks, but as i also said, i dont want to spread it if i have it.

I really can say i dont touch my face at all anymore because of this.

beolight · 23-03-2020 02:50PM

iwillyeah1234 wrote: »

In order to avail of the three month mortgage moratorium from AIB, you must have 2 months worth of mortgage payments saved in your current account - caller to Joe Duffy.

Did Paschal agree to this?

caveat emptor · 23-03-2020 02:50PM

TheDenialTwist wrote: »

In your 'sums it up better' just repeats what I said about hand hygiene. And where does it say the general public should wear masks and gloves?

We are not talking about washing hands. That works at cleaning your hands though.

By general public do you mean people who can understand what's written and think about in the context of daily live. i.e if the virus can be airborne for 3 hours that if they have to go shopping, they can reduce the risk of breathing the virus in by using a respirator / goggles etc.

I understand most people would swallow a brick if you gave it to them but I think you should give the "general public" a bit more credit. We have to break chains of transmission.

Boggles · 23-03-2020 02:50PM

iwillyeah1234 wrote: »

In order to avail of the three month mortgage moratorium from AIB, you must have 2 months worth of mortgage payments saved in your current account - caller to Joe Duffy.

That literally makes no sense.

frisbeeface · 23-03-2020 02:51PM

Mwengwe wrote: »

Are there any studies/info on whether droplets can be spread by merely breathing in the same vicinity as someone? I asked this question before but it got a jokey response. I'm getting the feeling more and more that this might be the case but I'm not seeing evidence or anything, other than the evidence of how virulently the virus is spreading

In perfect lab conditions the virus can survive up to 3 hours in the air. This is the study you will see referenced a million times in these threads. It should be noted they use a special bit of equipment to hold the aerosolised virus in which in no way reflect a real world situation - it's small and completely self contained with no venting or airflow.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.09.20033217v1.full.pdf

In tests from Singapore hospitals they haven't found any of the virus in air samples taken from hospital rooms of symptomatic patients.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2762692

This is the reason for the 2m guidance for social distancing. Currently the research thinks that unless you are coughed/sneezed/breathed heavily on from close enough the the droplets themselves land on you, which you then transfer to your face by touching it, you are OK.

Neyite · 23-03-2020 02:52PM

is_that_so wrote: »

It's the super careful that's doing it for you! A nurse told me that they are a bit pointless outside as you can easily touch your face but anything that makes people feel safe I suppose.

I'd like to wear a mask if I had one on a necessary trip out of the house - I know it's not going to reduce my risk of exposure to C19 but it might be a handy 'fcuk off away from me, ya eejit' signal to the twats that pay no heed to the social distancing.

BorneTobyWilde · 23-03-2020 02:52PM

Wuhan, China's epicentre was locked down, although the horse had already bolted, they locked it down eventually. New York is flying the virus all across American and beyond, people still allowed to walk around freely, no masks being worn, subway still running, taxi's still running , buses still running. New York is doomed, why on earth are they treating a country as vast as US the same way for every state. New York needs cutting off as soon as asap as possible, but it's all just a novelty to the residents there.
I can't believe they haven't isolated New York

cdgalwegian · 23-03-2020 02:53PM

dublin99 wrote: »

Uses for Masks:

Masks are loose fitting, covering the nose and mouth
Designed for one way protection, to capture bodily fluid leaving the wearer
Example – worn during surgery to prevent coughing, sneezing, etc on the vulnerable patient
Contrary to belief, masks are NOT designed to protect the wearer
The vast majority of masks do not have a safety rating assigned to them (e.g. NIOSH or EN)

Uses for Respirators:

Respirators are tight fitting masks, designed to create a facial seal
Non-valved respirators provide good two way protection, by filtering both inflow and outflow of air
These are designed protect the wearer (when worn properly), up to the safety rating of the mask
Available as disposable, half face or full face

More details re masks/respirators in this excellent article:

https://fastlifehacks.com/n95-vs-ffp/

That's great for general advice. But not for a highly contagious virus such as this, where indirect transmission is looking like it's far more dangerous than initially thought. Not touching your face after touching things goes a long way, and a surgical mask (not FFP3)goes a long way in this. That information does not apply fully in a pandemic.

WhiteMemento9 · 23-03-2020 02:53PM

iwillyeah1234 wrote: »

In order to avail of the three month mortgage moratorium from AIB, you must have 2 months worth of mortgage payments saved in your current account - caller to Joe Duffy.

If this is actually true. AIB should be done in this Country.

Wibbs · 23-03-2020 02:54PM

dublin99 wrote: »

Uses for Masks:

Masks are loose fitting, covering the nose and mouth
Designed for one way protection, to capture bodily fluid leaving the wearer
Example – worn during surgery to prevent coughing, sneezing, etc on the vulnerable patient
Contrary to belief, masks are NOT designed to protect the wearer
The vast majority of masks do not have a safety rating assigned to them (e.g. NIOSH or EN)

Uses for Respirators:

Respirators are tight fitting masks, designed to create a facial seal
Non-valved respirators provide good two way protection, by filtering both inflow and outflow of air
These are designed protect the wearer (when worn properly), up to the safety rating of the mask
Available as disposable, half face or full face

More details re masks/respirators in this excellent article:

https://fastlifehacks.com/n95-vs-ffp/

It is a good article and well worth reading to the end regarding basic surgical masks and levels of protection.

So where does this leave us? Those 2 studies suggest that surgical masks are approximately comparable to N95 masks when it comes to preventing influenza illness in close contact clinical settings. What this doesn’t tell us, is whether they’re better than wearing nothing on our faces.

To find that out, we need a study that has a control group that doesn’t use any facial protection. Due to ethical considerations, those studies aren’t abundant, but we do have at least one.

In this Australian study, they looked at 286 adults in 143 households who had children with influenza-like illness3. For clarity, influenza-like illness is not the same as laboratory confirmed influenza. It’s diagnosed by symptoms like fever, dry cough and feeling sick, which could mean influenza, but could also be caused by the common cold or other viruses. They found that adults who wore masks in the home were 4 times less likely than non-wearers to be infected by children in the household with a respiratory infection. There is nice analysis of the study here by Imperial College London.

So yes, even the basic surgical mask WILL reduce the risk of both getting infected and spreading infection(half and full case respirators will reduce the risk again). Unfortunately we simply don't have enough masks of any kind.

But if you have one, wear it. If you have spares give them to your nearest hospital.

Quin_Dub · 23-03-2020 02:55PM

iwillyeah1234 wrote: »

In order to avail of the three month mortgage moratorium from AIB, you must have 2 months worth of mortgage payments saved in your current account - caller to Joe Duffy.

Says nothing like that on the AIB website detailing the supports available.

https://aib.ie/covid19/mortgagecustomers

or on the form you have to fill out

https://aib.ie/covid19/mortgagecustomers/mortgage-form

Like a lot of things from "A Caller to Joe Duffy" I'd wait for an official response to that from AIB - Which of course Joe will do right?.

TheAsYLuMkeY · 23-03-2020 02:56PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

I can't believe they haven't isolated New York

I cant beleive they have not isolated Dublin, Cork, Limerick, Galway and belfast.

Why wait until its a massive confirmed problem, its a huge problem right now as there are thousands of unconfirmed cases.

I would propose all inter county movement to be banned right now bar essential goods. Them being,

Food,
Medicine,
Chemicals,
Fuel.

Allinall · 23-03-2020 02:56PM

WhiteMemento9 wrote: »

If this is actually true. AIB should be done in this Country.

Why would it be true?

iwillyeah1234 · 23-03-2020 02:57PM

Boggles wrote: »

That literally makes no sense.

"That when the Interest Only/Moratorium period ends, my/our mortgage repayments will increase because they will be recalculated to ensure that the total outstanding is repaid (together with interest due) within the existing mortgage loan term remaining."

https://aib.ie/covid19/mortgagecustomers/mortgage-form

So, it's not a moratorium - the bastards still want their pound of flesh, in the middle of one of the biggest health disasters since 1918.

What i would like to do to them I cannot write, as I don't want boards.ie shut down.

RugbyLad11 · 23-03-2020 02:57PM

iwillyeah1234 wrote: »

another image from the London tube this morning..

Usually the tube is full of suits but none in the picture, it seems to be mainly working class because middle class are now working from home.

Unfortunately they have no option to work from home

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