CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) Read OP

Rob A. Bank · 23-03-2020 04:29PM

Duke of Url wrote: »

these overdoses were being reported in Africa before Uncle Donald started talking about it.

These recent over-dosages are directly linked to the verbal diarrhoea of Don the Con !

Some Nigerians have been hospitalised for chloroquine poisoning after resorting to self-medication based on the declaration by US president, Donald Trump, that chloroquine can be used to treat persons infected with coronavirus.

https://www.legit.ng/1313559-coronavirus-many-nigerians-hospitalisd-chloroquine-poisoning.html

US2 · 23-03-2020 04:30PM

So I cant go to the pub with 6 people but am in work today in close contact with 70+ people. Get grip

Pintman Paddy Losty · 23-03-2020 04:30PM

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

If you become infected and then recover, does that mean you are no longer contagious and very unlikely to be reinfected?

So you wouldn't need to restrict movement etc. for recovered persons?

Anyone know the answer to this?

23-03-2020 04:30PM

US2 wrote: »

So I cant go to the pub with 6 people but am in work today in close contact with 70+ people. Get grip

One of these is more neccesary than the other

peasant · 23-03-2020 04:31PM

FVP3 wrote: »

The last bit is a stretch. Thorough testing, like the Germans are doing, can isolate people before they infect others. So if they have tested much more than other places, they may well have controlled it.

to me that is, in fact, the only reasonable way to control this.

Even Germany doesn't have the amount of tests or labs available to thoroughly test 80 million inhabitants. Nor do they have the power to implement measures as strict and intrusive as they used in China.

They will also have to rely on scientific best-guess work and the compliance of the people, like everybody else.

Tony EH · 23-03-2020 04:31PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Anyone got any ideas why Germany's death rate is so low? They have an extremely old population but their death rate seems much lower than the Dutch for example.

https://www.ft.com/content/c0755b30-69bb-11ea-800d-da70cff6e4d3

Cee-Jay-Cee · 23-03-2020 04:31PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Just read UK maybe facing shortages of paracetamol.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8140341/Pharmacies-running-critically-low-key-drugs.html

Not a massive shock. We produce a huge amount of paracetamol here for the whole world.

https://ie.gsk.com/ie/contact-us/our-locations-in-ireland/dungarvan/

Who would get supply if both countries need it? It's a UK company with production in Ireland. Could we sequester it if needed?

And yet Ireland is the dearest country in Europe (by a country mile) in which to buy paracetemol/ibuprofen etc etc

Yurt2 · 23-03-2020 04:32PM

US2 wrote: »

So I cant go to the pub with 6 people but am in work today in close contact with 70+ people. Get grip

People don't generally tend to dry hump each other in their workplace and jump up and down like chimpanzees singing Neil Diamond as some might do in the pub.

But I get your point, crowded workplaces like call centres or semi-cubicle environments should implement distancing or close up for a bit.

Mervyn Skidmore · 23-03-2020 04:32PM

US2 wrote: »

That's me. Had a nice 4 pints last night too. Only 6 of us in the pub though, what difference is that to being at home with 6 people.

Well for a start, do you allow strangers into your house to drink? How do you know an infected person wasn't sitting in your seat the night before? Also, you shouldn't be having 6 people over at home either.

Strazdas · 23-03-2020 04:32PM

Denmark reporting they will continue their nationwide lockdown until mid April. The thing is though their measures are nearly identical to ours.

A lot of Irish people, especially the ones demanding more restrictions, don't seem to realise we are already IN lockdown.

Tony EH · 23-03-2020 04:32PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

Creative accounting I think it's called.

If you have cancer and catch COVID-19 and die, the Germans are recording it as a death from cancer. They aren't recording things properly.

Where did you see this. I keep reading this on these threads, but have yet to see any credible source to back it up.

bekker · 23-03-2020 04:34PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Anyone got any ideas why Germany's death rate is so low? They have an extremely old population but their death rate seems much lower than the Dutch for example.

A more useful figure might be numbers hospitalized.

As far as deaths are concerned Germany has far higher number of critical care beds per '00,000.

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FVP3 · 23-03-2020 04:34PM

Inquitus wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/22/germany-low-coronavirus-mortality-rate-puzzles-experts

As a result, it is theoretically possible that there could be people who may have died in their homes before being tested and who do not show up in the statistics.

Practising medical specialists such as Addo do not believe this number of unreported cases to be statistically significant. “I have yet to see any data that would suggest a large number of untested corona-related deaths that don’t show up in the [German] statistics,” she said.

Thanks. That's the only site I have found which even mentions that Germany's testing methodologies are flawed, only to debunk it.

Yet it's clearly accepted around here that Germany's methodologies are flawed, quite the echo chamber.

beolight · 23-03-2020 04:35PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I have some choice words that might raise a few hackles, I'll stop at "the law needn't apply to our culture boss".

Abhorrent behaviour.

Internment camp’s spring to mind

Tea drinker · 23-03-2020 04:35PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

If you wash the gloves with soap and water, would that not be the same as washing your hands with soap and water?

You should put on gloves before washing those gloves as they can carry bacteria

Rob A. Bank · 23-03-2020 04:36PM

growleaves wrote: »

I doubt if he told them to self-medicate and choose their own dosage. Your linked article says it was taken by people who didn't even have coronavirus.

OMFG... Talk about selective reading of the article in order to defend that dangerous orange f*ckwit.

Some Nigerians have been hospitalised for chloroquine poisoning after resorting to self-medication based on the declaration by US president, Donald Trump, that chloroquine can be used to treat persons infected with coronavirus.

https://www.legit.ng/1313559-coronav...poisoning.html

FVP3 · 23-03-2020 04:36PM

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

Anyone know the answer to this?

yes, thats what herd immunity means. Its fairly useless though unless we have tests that know who has had it.

niallo27 · 23-03-2020 04:37PM

Inquitus wrote: »

They are not testing dead people for COVID-19, so if you passed away from Double Interstitial Pneumonia, your death would be recorded as Pneumonia not COVID-19 even though in reality you died of the virus. Lots of their COVID-19 deaths are being recorded as the existing comorbidities. It makes little difference with regard to treating and tracking cases, it just means the German death rate looks way lower than say Italy who test all deaths for COVID-19 and record them as such.

How many of the Italian deaths due to Pneumonia are being attributed to the CV on the other hand then, or are they being separated?

is_that_so · 23-03-2020 04:37PM

bekker wrote: »

A more useful figure might be numbers hospitalized.

As far as deaths are concerned Germany has far higher number of critical care beds per '00,000.

I think they got stuck into testing very, very quickly. A friend told me people can just go and get a test regardless of symptoms even though they are supposed to call a doctor first.

Ha Long Bay · 23-03-2020 04:38PM

Yesterday, 14:47

US2 wrote: »

Think karma is hitting me a slap today after all my posts mocking hypochondriacs looking for tests, I'm coming down with an awful flu. Horrible cough, chills and aches all through my body. Pray for me

Today, 14:57

US2 wrote: »

That's me. Had a nice 4 pints last night too. Only 6 of us in the pub though, what difference is that to being at home with 6 people.

:rolleyes:

mloc123 · 23-03-2020 04:38PM

Tony EH wrote: »

Where did you see this. I keep reading this on these threads, but have yet to see any credible source to back it up.

Because it is not true...

josip · 23-03-2020 04:39PM

bekker wrote: »

Mobile slurry tank and high pressure pump maybe.

Celine Dion full volume better ?

kilkenny31 · 23-03-2020 04:39PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Population density is not an absolutely accurate measure of how fast or widely this disease will spread. Washington state in USA is overall not densely populated and probably similar to Ireland, notoriously low rise sprawling Los Angeles also had a major outbreak, as did several Scandinvaian countries..and Iceland ffs

But still I agree that theoretically people can still enjoy parks and beaches and effectively maintain social distance

I'm glad someone agrees. Like I was very careful yesterday and so was everybody and I feel that people are equating what happened in temple bar yesterday with what happened over the weekend at scenic spots. Totally different and the risks aren't even comparable. If these measures are going to be successful we have to make sure that they are logical. Sanity is important, so getting out for a walk is important.

RebelButtMunch · 23-03-2020 04:39PM

Does the current test tell you if you had the virus and have recovered?

Stheno · 23-03-2020 04:40PM

RebelButtMunch wrote: »

Does the current test tell you if you had the virus and have recovered?

no they need an antibody test for that.

It just tells you if you are currently infected

Boggles · 23-03-2020 04:41PM

RebelButtMunch wrote: »

Does the current test tell you if you had the virus and have recovered?

No, that is a separate one they are trying to develop or get approval for the last I heard.

DOCARCH · 23-03-2020 04:42PM

Spain: So far today, +4,321 new cases/+434 additional deaths.

USA: So far today, +5,825 new cases/+48 additional deaths.

Rob A. Bank · 23-03-2020 04:43PM

INMO Trolley Watch figures for March 23th 2020.

Only 20 beds short in Irish Hospitals today.

eagle eye · 23-03-2020 04:44PM

DOCARCH wrote:

Spain: So far today, +4,321 new cases/+434 additional deaths.

DOCARCH wrote:

USA: So far today, +5,825 new cases/+48 additional deaths.

Stark contrast in the amount dying. Spain's death toll is way higher percentage wise than anywhere. Anybody know why this is?

Tony EH · 23-03-2020 04:44PM

bekker wrote: »

A more useful figure might be numbers hospitalized.

As far as deaths are concerned Germany has far higher number of critical care beds per '00,000.

is_that_so wrote: »

I think they got stuck into testing very, very quickly. A friend told me people can just go and get a test regardless of symptoms even though they are supposed to call a doctor first.

In short,

The Germans moved on this quicker
They're carrying out over 160,000 tests a week.
They isolated anyone, even with mild symptoms
They got cases into the health system fast
Older folk are doing what they were told to do and not going out
The majority of cases have been under the age of 60

There's nothing hidden about how Germany is handling this. It would impossible for them to do so, as the press are asking the same questions as to why their death toll is so low. Even their own press is asking these questions. It would take a monumental effort to cover up any miscounting and encompass thousands of people.

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CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) Read OP