CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) Read OP

ITman88 · 23-03-2020 02:15AM

nc6000 wrote: »

Unfortunately come December the yearly death toll will have risen considerably and not just in Italy. I don't think it's a case of people who were likely to die dying a bit sooner than expected.

But we won’t know until December

kowloon · 23-03-2020 02:15AM

frillyleaf wrote: »

I mean has there been any evidence that there is long term damage from people without symptoms or who weren’t sick enough to end up in hospital. There’s no need to be so aggressive, we should be helping each other not being rude to each other!

So far, all I've seen was the damage caused by the symptoms, you could ask over on the AMA thread that the consultant mentioned earlier has set up (they've been vetted by Boards so you'll get proper answers).

kilkenny31 · 23-03-2020 02:16AM

mick987 wrote: »

It will be interesting next year to find out how many people died and compare the figures with previous years, that will give us some idea of how many people died of the virus and how many would have died anyway.

I'd imagine with the exception of a few countries it won't be that significant. Italys numbers are out of control along with spains which only makes me think the following.
1. A Lot more people (4 or 5 times the officil figure) have it and haven't been tested
2. It hit the elderly a lot more than other countries
3. Theres a significance to the meditrainian location I.e. Hot country, more respiratory problems, Italy has a high number of people who die from the flu every year. It's population is old but so is Germany and it doesn't suffer the same

There's an interesting article in the Guardian as to why Germany mortality is so low and one of the theories is Germany has a better handle on testing so are closer to the real numbers of people who are infected thus suggesting the mortality rate is actually quiet low with this virus.

cnocbui · 23-03-2020 02:17AM

frillyleaf wrote: »

I mean has there been any evidence that there is long term damage from people without symptoms or who weren’t sick enough to end up in hospital. There’s no need to be so aggressive, we should be helping each other not being rude to each other!

I doubt there would be long term damage in people who didn't need to go to hospital and I haven't read of any.

Seems it can also invade the nervous system:

Additionally, some patients with COVID‐19 also showed neurologic signs, such as headache, nausea, and vomiting. Increasing evidence shows that coronaviruses are not always confined to the respiratory tract and that they may also invade the central nervous system inducing neurological diseases. The infection of SARS‐CoV has been reported in the brains from both patients and experimental animals, where the brainstem was heavily infected. Furthermore, some coronaviruses have been demonstrated able to spread via a synapse‐connected route to the medullary cardiorespiratory center from the mechanoreceptors and chemoreceptors in the lung and lower respiratory airways. Considering the high similarity between SARS‐CoV and SARS‐CoV2, it remains to make clear whether the potential invasion of SARS‐CoV2 is partially responsible for the acute respiratory failure of patients with COVID‐19. Awareness of this may have a guiding significance for the prevention and treatment of the SARS‐CoV‐2‐induced respiratory failure.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/jmv.25728

bodhrandude · 23-03-2020 02:19AM

Thanks for the updates folks, I've not been contributing much recently, mainly watching films and docs, I ended up going down to my sister in Bandon and social isolating down there, checking in occasionally but tough work keeping up with the thread.

I came across a Facebook group called Rock The Lockdown set up for this, they just had a two day internet festival of artists and musicians streaming for the socially isolated, commendable stuff.

Quantum Erasure · 23-03-2020 02:20AM

kowloon wrote: »

So far, all I've seen was the damage caused by the symptoms, you could ask over on the AMA thread that the consultant mentioned earlier has set up (they've been vetted by Boards ...

don't mention the vets!

bb12 · 23-03-2020 02:22AM

frillyleaf wrote: »

I mean has there been any evidence that there is long term damage from people without symptoms or who weren’t sick enough to end up in hospital. There’s no need to be so aggressive, we should be helping each other not being rude to each other!

it's still too early to diagnose any longterm damage but there was a case in china or korea where a 10 year old boy had tested positive but no symptoms..when they did a ct scan he had some scarring on his lungs

kyote00 · 23-03-2020 02:24AM

I have about 30 people on the 'ignore list' - it makes the thread easier to read....

(Anything that is clearly wrong, racist or xenophobic goes on the 'ignore list')

bodhrandude wrote: »

Thanks for the updates folks, I ended up going down to my sister in Bandon and social isolating down there, checking in occasionally but tough work keeping up with the thread.

owlbethere · 23-03-2020 02:24AM

MOR316 wrote: »

I'm genuinely not trying to scaremonger or speculate or anything of the kind but, we don't really know all that much about this virus, do we?

I know in particular case, a young man from Ireland went to Italy when he was warned not to, contracted the virus, was cocky enough to say he's fit enough to get over it and yet, he was on breathing apparatus to help him for a week with it.
An 18 year old has gotten a bad case of it and this is all after we were told if you're young you'd be fine.

And then, we don't even know if it does any lasting damage.

I'm absolutely astounded by how quickly this has spread throughout the entire globe

It's a new virus and professionals are still studying it.

Scary stuff what you wrote about them young lads.

greasepalm · 23-03-2020 02:24AM

There is a nasty inside video by sky news of the covid 19 ward and is not a pretty sight to see,if squeamish DONT CLICK on link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiY32pglV-g

frillyleaf · 23-03-2020 02:25AM

murpho999 wrote: »

There's not one official government health body or worldwide agency advising to wear gloves or masks.

People touch their face without looking at hands so there is no visual reminder.

So now you're saying santising your hands is not good enough. Can't win.

I didn’t say sanitising your hands is not good enough - I said not getting the virus on your hands in the first place is better.

I do not touch my face as much wearing gloves as I’m more conscious of it. I don’t wear them shopping etc but do have to wear them for other activities unrelated to this pandemic.

Governments are advising people to reduce social interaction - that is far more effective than any ppe.

I would also think governments need to keep stock of masks and gloves for people who need them the most ie nurses, healthcare, people at risk . It is better to fully reduce contact through social distancing as this reduces transmission much more than any PPE.

If I was caring for someone in a risk group I would definitely be wearing a mask while caring for them. I’m not an expert but I feel it would reduce risk even further.

Rob A. Bank · 23-03-2020 02:25AM

One month earlier :- The bruised faces of Chinese health workers caused by prolonged wearing of personal protective equipment.

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Support our own health workers now, as they begin to face the danger.

kowloon · 23-03-2020 02:25AM

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

don't mention the vets!

We need to mobilise everyone with medical training, although I'm going to get worried if they put on arm-length calving gloves.

JP Liz V1 · 23-03-2020 02:25AM

Is this completely worldwide now, no country without confirmed positive cases?

wakka12 · 23-03-2020 02:26AM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Is this completely worldwide now, no country without confirmed positive cases?

There are three countries without confirmed cases, one is North Korea

Bananaleaf · 23-03-2020 02:28AM

wakka12 wrote: »

There are three countries without confirmed cases, one is North Korea

What are the other 2? Turkmenistan? Another?

Quantum Erasure · 23-03-2020 02:28AM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Is March 29, d day for us as in if social distancing flattened the curve? What is the expected plan outcome, 15,000 or under good?

Strazdas wrote: »

No, that was just a day picked at random.

The Taoiseach think Covid will continue to grow day on day for the next 3-4 weeks. The aim is to slow this right down.....if they could get it down to say 2000 instead of 15000 at the end of March, they'd be really happy.

2,000 is very optimistic,
if it keeps increasing at +15% every day, we'll be at 3,175
18% and we'll be over 4,000

I think we'd be happy with those numbers

cnocbui · 23-03-2020 02:28AM

murpho999 wrote: »

There's not one official government health body or worldwide agency advising to wear gloves or masks.

People touch their face without looking at hands so there is no visual reminder.

So now you're saying santising your hands is not good enough. Can't win.

The advice on not wearing masks is so as to limit demand and so ensure adequate supplies for health workers.

Masks work.

These evaluated mixed interventions with hand hygiene and masks and the evidence suggests that when used together they are effective. Commentators have noted that trials that fail to show masks’ effectiveness in protecting wearers may be accounted for by low compliance, which is likely to be a smaller problem in the covid-19 pandemic.

“Individuals with respiratory symptoms” are told in WHO’s guidance that they “should wear a medical mask …” Although there is less evidence to guide us on this specific scenario, it does point towards masks having a benefit for source control. Qualitative research, however, has found that people might avoid this precaution for fear of the stigmatisation and discrimination it might attract. Evidence from patients in China also suggests that asymptomatic patients in the early stages of covid-19 can still infect other people. So how do we ensure that people without obvious symptoms will not infect others? If everyone wears a mask, could it reduce stigmatisation and discrimination, and help to achieve the goal of source control? As asymptomatic “virus shedders” may be fuelling community transmissions, the widespread wearing of masks could be an effective method of source control.

Relatives or caregivers to individuals with suspected covid-19 who have mild respiratory symptoms are told that they “should wear a medical mask when in the same room with the affected individual.” This recommendation would seem to indicate that wearing a medical mask can protect the wearer. It is backed up by some evidence of how to prevent household transmission.

Similarly, WHO advises that healthcare workers “should wear a medical mask when entering a room where patients suspected or confirmed of being infected . . . ” are being cared for. Again, this suggests that wearing a medical mask is highly effective in healthcare workers, a conclusion that is supported by trials.

https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2020/03/11/whos-confusing-guidance-masks-covid-19-epidemic/

owlbethere · 23-03-2020 02:29AM

frillyleaf wrote: »

That’s what would worry me enough to keep social distance. I would be worried about unknown long term affects that it could have more so for kids. although they don’t seem to suffer bad from Covid19 we have no idea of long term consequences of catching the disease. That’s not scaremongering, it’s just something that crossed my mind and it means I’m conscious to social distance which can’t be a bad thing, even if it’s a bit silly of me thinking that

It's a new virus and they don't know how it's going to behave. Chickenpox is a viral infection and once infected, it's lies dormant and then it can re-emerge as shingles.

Xertz · 23-03-2020 02:29AM

wakka12 wrote: »

There are three countries without confirmed cases, one is North Korea

It's possible, due to complete lack of contact with the outside world that :

a) They genuinely didn't get any, or
b) (more likely) they're never going to report it if they do.

Strazdas · 23-03-2020 02:32AM

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

2,000 is very optimistic,
if it keeps increasing at +15% every day, we'll be at 3,175
18% and we'll be over 4,000

I think we'd be happy with those numbers

3000 would be manageable.....might mean 100 patients or so in ICU based on today's numbers

igCorcaigh · 23-03-2020 02:32AM

New Zealand going in to lockdown in 48 hours.
Quite severe measures, might be an indication of where we might go this week:

People instructed to stay at home
Educational facilities closed
Businesses closed except for essential services (e.g. supermarkets, pharmacies, clinics) and lifeline utilities
Rationing of supplies and requisitioning of facilities
Travel severely limited
Major reprioritisation of healthcare services

(Guardian blog)

Quantum Erasure · 23-03-2020 02:34AM

wakka12 wrote: »

There are three countries without confirmed cases, one is North Korea

this says 177 countries and territories affected

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/01/countries-confirmed-cases-coronavirus-200125070959786.html

23-03-2020 02:35AM

PhantomHat wrote: »

Sorry I don't share your thoughts on our 'stable' figures.
I think the slow uptake and delay with testing atm is giving us a skewed view of our current status. We're way in deeper than what you think. I'm concerned once we get testing our huge backlog which is roughly 40 thousand people and whatever is after that the numbers of infected is going to shoot up.
Already they're saying hospitals are beginning to feel the pressure

Did you miss the part where I said 'so far' in relation to our stable figures?

Where did I give any impression that I didn't think that we were in deep trouble?

In fact, the whole point of my post, most of which you omitted, was that some people in society don't seem to realise the depth of the situation.

Baffling reply to be honest.

kowloon · 23-03-2020 02:35AM

Xertz wrote: »

It's possible, due to complete lack of contact with the outside world that :

a) They genuinely didn't get any, or
b) (more likely) they're never going to report it if they do.

Life sucks as it is in best Korea.

Ficheall · 23-03-2020 02:36AM

kyote00 wrote: »

I have about 30 people on the 'ignore list' - it makes the thread easier to read....

(Anything that is clearly wrong, racist or xenophobic goes on the 'ignore list')

I've been tempted to do this too, but if all the sensible posters followed that strategy, you'd leave behind an echochamber of racist f*ckwits who think it's just a flu that affects only old people and whose grasp on reality is tenuous at best.

bodhrandude · 23-03-2020 02:36AM

The safest place is probably that North Sentinel Island of the coast of India no one can enter as the islanders will kill you, like the demented US preacher who was trying to convert them last year. But you would kinda have to sneak on. That and maybe Antarctica probably.

beolight · 23-03-2020 02:37AM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

New Zealand going in to lockdown in 48 hours.
Quite severe measures, might be an indication of where we might go this week:

People instructed to stay at home
Educational facilities closed
Businesses closed except for essential services (e.g. supermarkets, pharmacies, clinics) and lifeline utilities
Rationing of supplies and requisitioning of facilities
Travel severely limited
Major reprioritisation of healthcare services

(Guardian blog)

Nice of them to give everyone plenty of notice... doubt we will see any panic buying

Quantum Erasure · 23-03-2020 02:40AM

Xertz wrote: »

It's possible, due to complete lack of contact with the outside world that :

a) They genuinely didn't get any, or
b) (more likely) they're never going to report it if they do.

or cases are eliminated as soon as they arise

Quantum Erasure · 23-03-2020 02:43AM

bodhrandude wrote: »

The safest place is probably that North Sentinel Island of the coast of India no one can enter as the islanders will kill you, like the demented US preacher who was trying to convert them last year. But you would kinda have to sneak on. That and maybe Antarctica probably.

this was published last Monday, so probably out of date by now...

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