Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee poll not working - pl ignore

Shefwedfan · 21-03-2020 07:12PM

end of the road wrote: »

and yet, rte aren't replacing the high earners with all those people who can apparently meet the same criteria, bring in the same audience and advertising, who are as capable or more so, for under 100k.
which suggests, it may not be so easy to find such individuals after all?
i have no doubt, if rte could get individuals more capable then the current lot for under 100k, they would jump at the chance.
there is plenty of talent, and some non-talent, across the broadcast industry, however no matter how good one may be in an individual's opinion, if they do not fit what the broadcaster is looking for, they won't get the gig, and that goes for any broadcaster public or private.

Plenty of talent in Ireland, they will never get near RTÉ as they are not part of crowd or relative

Just look at hardy bucks and other Irish entertainers over the last few years, RTÉ completely ignores them but continued to put the same useless f**k on the tv

Case in point, Doireann Garrihy, she was hired according to 2fm for online presence but on hiring had less than 20k followers....she is useless but like many before her is pushed and pushed in the hope at some stage she will be a success, look at Lottie for instance.....another useless person but she is pushed on anything to get RTÉ way, the most recent dancing crap was a pure fix, as I posted

Are you telling me of the 5 odd million people in Ireland and Irish overseas the best we can come up with is Doireann and Lottie? That’s some insult to the Irish people

Brendan Bendar · 21-03-2020 07:27PM

Kivaro wrote: »

EOTR already said that they shouldn't .......... even as we are about to be hit by the biggest crisis in Ireland's history in recent times, which will result in untold deaths of our fellow citizens and many hundreds of thousands made unemployed. The salaries of the RTE elite and management is obscene.

I wouldn’t pay any heed to EOTR Mr K.

We all know how it rolls,nobody can figure out logically how, for instance, Ray D’Arcy can garner €400k pa.

Nobody.......nobody at all.

Not possible.

Impossible.

garrettod · 21-03-2020 07:47PM

end of the road wrote: »

and yet, rte aren't replacing the high earners with all those people who can apparently meet the same criteria, bring in the same audience and advertising, who are as capable or more so, for under 100k.
which suggests, it may not be so easy to find such individuals after all?
i have no doubt, if rte could get individuals more capable then the current lot for under 100k, they would jump at the chance.
there is plenty of talent, and some non-talent, across the broadcast industry, however no matter how good one may be in an individual's opinion, if they do not fit what the broadcaster is looking for, they won't get the gig, and that goes for any broadcaster public or private.

I think you may be missing an important point...

RTE don't really want to replace any of their old cronies.

Instead, they will continue to milk the broadcaster and by extension, the state, for as long as possible.

RTE's Dee Forbes tells us that RTE needs more money, while she gets paid significantly more than we pay our Taoiseach.... RTE is rotten from the top down.

Shefwedfan · 21-03-2020 07:54PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

I wouldn’t pay any heed to EOTR Mr K.

We all know how it rolls,nobody can figure out logically how, for instance, Ray D’Arcy can garner €400k pa.

Nobody.......nobody at all.

Not possible.

Impossible.

D’Arcy, good on radio and has a following

Useless on tv, yet RTÉ hire him and stick him on tv, shock horror it’s a disaster, like seriously the whole of Ireland including D’Arcy would have been able to tell you that

I don’t blame him, why would he turn down the money

elperello · 21-03-2020 07:55PM

Kivaro wrote: »

EOTR already said that they shouldn't .......... even as we are about to be hit by the biggest crisis in Ireland's history in recent times, which will result in untold deaths of our fellow citizens and many hundreds of thousands made unemployed. The salaries of the RTE elite and management is obscene.

The virus issue is very serious and as you say may kill many of our citizens and cause hardship for many more.

The RTE issue pales in comparison and will be dealt with eventually.

If it is decided that Government employee salaries should be cut at this difficult time it would be right that RTE salaries should be cut.

fritzelly · 21-03-2020 07:55PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

D’Arcy, good on radio and has a following

Useless on tv, yet RTÉ hire him and stick him on tv, shock horror it’s a disaster, like seriously the whole of Ireland including D’Arcy would have been able to tell you that

I don’t blame him, why would he turn down the money

Have you listened to him lately on the radio?

elperello · 21-03-2020 08:08PM

fritzelly wrote: »

Have you listened to him lately on the radio?

I have and while he is no Gay Byrne he is average to good in my opinion.

Try tuning in to some of the local stations if you want to assess him in light of what is available as an alternative.

Have a listen to some of the comparable programmes on BBC regional channels.

His show is a passable magazine programme designed to fill the gap between two very popular shows Liveline and Drivetime. Nothing more nothing less.

Nevin Parsnipp · 21-03-2020 08:14PM

elperello wrote: »

I have and while he is no Gay Byrne he is average to good in my opinion.

Try tuning in to some of the local stations if you want to assess him in light of what is available as an alternative.

Have a listen to some of the comparable programmes on BBC regional channels.

His show is a passable magazine programme designed to fill the gap between two very popular shows Liveline and Drivetime. Nothing more nothing less.

Thats the whole point.....why is a guy presenting a "passable magazine programme" being paid a wedge north of half a million eurons ??.

end of the road · 21-03-2020 08:16PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Suggests RTE haven’t the balls to get get their salaries down to a realistic level.

or alternatively, as much as some may not like it, the salaries are at a realistic level.
i'm not jumping for joy over some of the salaries myself, however ultimately the broadcaster thinks differently, that what they do pay is necessary to get individuals who fit whatever they are looking for in a broadcaster.

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Plenty of talent in Ireland, they will never get near RTÉ as they are not part of crowd or relative

Just look at hardy bucks and other Irish entertainers over the last few years, RTÉ completely ignores them but continued to put the same useless f**k on the tv

Case in point, Doireann Garrihy, she was hired according to 2fm for online presence but on hiring had less than 20k followers....she is useless but like many before her is pushed and pushed in the hope at some stage she will be a success, look at Lottie for instance.....another useless person but she is pushed on anything to get RTÉ way, the most recent dancing crap was a pure fix, as I posted

Are you telling me of the 5 odd million people in Ireland and Irish overseas the best we can come up with is Doireann and Lottie? That’s some insult to the Irish people

pushing individuals who are talentless in mine and other's view seems to be a bit of away with elements of the broadcast industry, unfortunately.
certainly lottie is not the best we can get, far from it, and eventually rte will have to replace her, however, at the moment they feel she fits what they are looking for.
rte aren't the only ones guilty of employing duds, there are certainly a few broadcasters considered the big thing who i don't rate, on other broadcasters.
you may say dancing with the stars was a fix for lottie to win, and nothing is impossible, however it could just as easily be the case, as unpalletable to some, that the majority of those who voted, actually voted for her to win.
if you can show it was a fix, by all means send in a complaint to the BAI, who presumably would be the ones who would deal with that issue, because fixing a program in favour of someone is certainly something that should not be tolerated and should be taken seriously and dealt with accordingly, it is unfair on the other contestants and those who voted for them in good faith.

elperello · 21-03-2020 08:26PM

Nevin Parsnipp wrote: »

Thats the whole point.....why is a guy presenting a "passable magazine programme" being paid a wedge north of half a million eurons ??.

That's above my pay grade to explain.

I never ran a radio station. I don't know what the economics are.

It doesn't worry me in the least what 5 or 6 people earn because in the greater scheme of things it doesn't matter.

If they came into RTE and paid to work it wouldn't matter.

Brendan Bendar · 21-03-2020 10:52PM

elperello wrote: »

That's above my pay grade to explain.

I never ran a radio station. I don't know what the economics are.

It doesn't worry me in the least what 5 or 6 people earn because in the greater scheme of things it doesn't matter.

If they came into RTE and paid to work it wouldn't matter.

Lot more than 5 or 6 getting big wedges el.

Regretfully it does matter to some folks who see their money being squandered and management not being held to account.

Shefwedfan · 21-03-2020 10:55PM

fritzelly wrote: »

Have you listened to him lately on the radio?

No, I did when on today Fm and he was good...no idea when or what station he is on now

Shefwedfan · 21-03-2020 10:59PM

end of the road wrote: »

pushing individuals who are talentless in mine and other's view seems to be a bit of away with elements of the broadcast industry, unfortunately.
certainly lottie is not the best we can get, far from it, and eventually rte will have to replace her, however, at the moment they feel she fits what they are looking for.
rte aren't the only ones guilty of employing duds, there are certainly a few broadcasters considered the big thing who i don't rate, on other broadcasters.
you may say dancing with the stars was a fix for lottie to win, and nothing is impossible, however it could just as easily be the case, as unpalletable to some, that the majority of those who voted, actually voted for her to win.
if you can show it was a fix, by all means send in a complaint to the BAI, who presumably would be the ones who would deal with that issue, because fixing a program in favour of someone is certainly something that should not be tolerated and should be taken seriously and dealt with accordingly, it is unfair on the other contestants and those who voted for them in good faith.

I already posted this

Going by my wife she was in the bottom a few weeks as nobody voted for her and got kept in by the judges not the public, then win the whole lot when people who never got close to bottom lost

I didn’t want it, with lockdown I watched final and said from the min it started She would win as RTÉ wanted it

Funny I wasn’t wrong...in terms of reporting, might as well pee into the wind with cream trouser on :-)

end of the road · 21-03-2020 11:17PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I already posted this

Going by my wife she was in the bottom a few weeks as nobody voted for her and got kept in by the judges not the public, then win the whole lot when people who never got close to bottom lost

I didn’t want it, with lockdown I watched final and said from the min it started She would win as RTÉ wanted it

Funny I wasn’t wrong...in terms of reporting, might as well pee into the wind with cream trouser on :-)

i can certainly see how this would raise questions, however, sometimes judges do go with contestants who aren't as good as other contestants, even contestants who are crap have been chosen a very odd time, the x factor when i watched it years ago, and the voice when i watched it years ago would be examples where i have saw this happen, but i can't remember exact details and names.

Gen.Zhukov · 21-03-2020 11:17PM

It's basically time for Dee babes to **** off. She's in there 4 years and has taken the guts of €1.5m in salaries and benefits.

How much more time does she want. She is like a rabbit in the headlights and it seems her strategy now is to sit at home with a bag of voodoo dolls.

In fact, she is making Carolan Lennon (CEO of what is arguably the worst company in Ireland- Eir) look good.

Do your job Dee or get out.

fritzelly · 21-03-2020 11:18PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

No, I did when on today Fm and he was good...no idea when or what station he is on now

I've heard that (never listened to him on that) but he is woeful now

RabbleRouser2k · 22-03-2020 02:20AM

Gen.Zhukov wrote: »

It's basically time for Dee babes to **** off. She's in there 4 years and has taken the guts of €1.5m in salaries and benefits.

How much more time does she want. She is like a rabbit in the headlights and it seems her strategy now is to sit at home with a bag of voodoo dolls.

In fact, she is making Carolan Lennon (CEO of what is arguably the worst company in Ireland- Eir) look good.

Do your job Dee or get out.

One of the benefits of the Covid-19 shutdown is it's highlighting who's genuinely important, and who's just a gangrenous limb that has to be hacked off.

Atlantic Dawn · 22-03-2020 02:31AM

Gen.Zhukov wrote: »

It's basically time for Dee babes to **** off. She's in there 4 years and has taken the guts of €1.5m in salaries and benefits.

How much more time does she want. She is like a rabbit in the headlights and it seems her strategy now is to sit at home with a bag of voodoo dolls.

In fact, she is making Carolan Lennon (CEO of what is arguably the worst company in Ireland- Eir) look good.

Do your job Dee or get out.

But she's a lady, so it's ok.

masculinist · 22-03-2020 02:55AM

The license fee is legal extortion.

I don't have a television because I refuse to give into extortion.

Straight away during the corona crisis I'm cut off from my moral right to access potentially life saving information from another source because of the RTE extortionist cartel .

RabbleRouser2k · 22-03-2020 03:13AM

masculinist wrote: »

The license fee is legal extortion.

I don't have a television because I refuse to give into extortion.

Straight away during the corona crisis I'm cut off from my moral right to access potentially life saving information from another source because of the RTE extortionist cartel .

Talk to your GP. You'll get more information, with less 'DOOM!!!' subtext. They'll explain to you why the virus spread so rapidly in China (Rates of smoking in China is extremely high. Like 52 percent of males smoke, and 60% of male doctor's smoke-leading to lung issues that allowed Covid-19 to thrive. Italy is much the same story, where about 25 percent of the population smoke, with the added issue of a very high elderly population).

We're getting the news of 'infected' people-we're getting news of the deaths-we're not getting news of recoveries.

masculinist · 22-03-2020 03:26AM

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

Talk to your GP. You'll get more information, with less 'DOOM!!!' subtext. They'll explain to you why the virus spread so rapidly in China (Rates of smoking in China is extremely high. Like 52 percent of males smoke, and 60% of male doctor's smoke-leading to lung issues that allowed Covid-19 to thrive. Italy is much the same story, where about 25 percent of the population smoke, with the added issue of a very high elderly population).

We're getting the news of 'infected' people-we're getting news of the deaths-we're not getting news of recoveries.

A healthy person should not waste the time of a GP .
My GP doesn't give lectures for free.

RabbleRouser2k · 22-03-2020 04:28AM

masculinist wrote: »

A healthy person should not waste the time of a GP .
My GP doesn't give lectures for free.

Neither does mine. But for clarity, my mother had a Dr's appointment last Friday (nothing seriously wrong, but something that can't be treated with a disprin. Not going into too much detail, because it's not my medical problem-I hope you understand that reason. If it was me, I'd be an open book).

She was chatting to him while being treated, and asked about the virus. Simply put, while he, as a doctor, has to follow government advice and orders (the hand sanitizer, the face mask, the 'hazmat' suit or whatever you wanna call it-as does his staff) he's not worried about Covid-19. He's paid more attention to it than you or I have, noting the causes, those that are affected etc. He also paid attention to the rate of those who are recovering from the illness. Hence not worried.

If you paid attention to the way it's reported in the news... it's more doom and gloom there.
That and rather negligent too. We hear all this 'this will put immense pressure on the health system'. No doubt it will-but the health was already screwed. By the people who were meant to sort it out-Simon HArris and Leo Varadkar to name a few.
Prior to the Coronavirus, the health system was in trouble. It's been in terrible shape for well over a decade now.

Shefwedfan · 22-03-2020 08:25AM

masculinist wrote: »

The license fee is legal extortion.

I don't have a television because I refuse to give into extortion.

Straight away during the corona crisis I'm cut off from my moral right to access potentially life saving information from another source because of the RTE extortionist cartel .

Tv license is a tax, so is all tax extortion according to you?

What tv is RTÉ blocking you from? Did they shut down the internet?

Kivaro · 22-03-2020 08:41AM

elperello wrote: »

It doesn't worry me in the least what 5 or 6 people earn because in the greater scheme of things it doesn't matter.

It is bewildering that posters who defend RTE for vested or whatever reasons believe that a statement like above will go unchallenged.
We are talking about a good deal more than the 'superstar' talent at RTE. What about the 70+ managers there? It is layered in wasted bureaucracy.

The wages and expenses at RTE were appalling when times were good. The lucrative pensions scheme at RTE are cost prohibitive.
Ireland, as a country, cannot afford these costs during a national extended emergency.

I am sure that everyone remembers the smug face of Miriam O'Callaghan when she interviewed the criminal Margaret Cash. She, and her bosses knew that the overwhelming majority of Irish society did not support Cash's PR stunt for a free home closer to her mother. Yet, they still championed this woman who had a known history of terrorising old people down the country.

This smugness is prevalent all over RTE and it is just another indicator of the disdain that they have towards the general public.

Shefwedfan · 22-03-2020 08:52AM

Kivaro wrote: »

It is bewildering that posters who defend RTE for vested or whatever reasons believe that a statement like above will go unchallenged.

Quit with the hyperbole rubbish

What I see on the majority here is reasonable people having a discussion how to fix RTÉ, not going off ranting and raving....the best is the accusation of a cartel. Seriously get a life. Maybe 40 years ago when no other option.

Everyone I see says RTÉ needs to change from top down, I agree to a point changing 4 - 5 people wages in a large organisation will make f**k all difference because you have another 1000 all overpaid or not working correctly

RTÉ needs an overhaul, how you do it without wasting more millions is the question

Dee doesn’t look to be up to the job

Kivaro · 22-03-2020 09:37AM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Tv license is a tax, so is all tax extortion according to you?

What tv is RTÉ blocking you from? Did they shut down the internet?

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Quit with the hyperbole rubbish ....

... Seriously get a life.

Might I suggest that you hop into bed again for a few minutes, and then extricating yourself on the opposite side from which you arose this morning.

Elmo · 22-03-2020 10:43AM

The cost of the top ten earners should not be dismissed as tabloid.

In 2016 RTÉ announced the closure of their in house children’s (young people’s) department, saying that while the department was closing they were committed to retaining the funding to children’s content.

However, that same year RTÉ had already cut funding to children’s programming by 25% and in had almost certainly made the decision to cut it again by 50% in 2017.

In 2017 RTÉ spent 3m on ten stars, saying that it was this was a tiny amount of 1% of their budget a tiny amount....

However RTÉ then except us to ignore the fact that they spend only 1% on children’s content and that they are committed to children’s content?!?!?

RTÉ “Stars” haven’t really seen much of a cut. The death of Jerry Ryan and Pat Kenny’s exit were the main factors of the reduction in top earners salaries.

And for some unknown reason RTÉ took a risk on Ray D’Arcy saying that his radio sponsors had paid for his first year on the air.... however his TV show plummeted in the ratings in comparison to The Saturday Night Show which would almost entirely wiped out the earnings from his radio show 3 times over.

Shefwedfan · 22-03-2020 10:48AM

Kivaro wrote: »

Might I suggest that you hop into bed again for a few minutes, and then extricating yourself on the opposite side from which you arose this morning.

Well sorry but both posts are rubbish. One is saying RTE has a cartel in Ireland :P a country with one of the highest percentage of Netflix accounts last time I checked.

Then your going on about I have no idea, first accusations that people are defending RTE, which I dont see, only people pointing out the good and ridiculous idea. Of course some ridiculous from myself.

Then into some rant about Miriam, no idea why you think they disdain the public either. Hyperbole is the exact phrase to describe

Shefwedfan · 22-03-2020 10:51AM

Elmo wrote: »

The cost of the top ten earners should not be dismissed as tabloid.

In 2016 RTÉ announced the closure of their in house children’s (young people’s) department, saying that while the department was closing they were committed to retaining the funding to children’s content.

However, that same year RTÉ had already cut funding to children’s programming by 25% and in had almost certainly made the decision to cut it again by 50% in 2017.

In 2017 RTÉ spent 3m on ten stars, saying that it was this was a tiny amount of 1% of their budget a tiny amount....

However RTÉ then except us to ignore the fact that they spend only 1% on children’s content and that they are committed to children’s content?!?!?

RTÉ “Stars” haven’t really seen much of a cut. The death of Jerry Ryan and Pat Kenny’s exit were the main factors of the reduction in top earners salaries.

And for some unknown reason RTÉ took a risk on Ray D’Arcy saying that his radio sponsors had paid for his first year on the air.... however his TV show plummeted in the ratings in comparison to The Saturday Night Show which would almost entirely wiped out the earnings from his radio show 3 times over.

I am not saying cut the top earners. As I posted already they should have a base and then tied into advertising they can puish for RTE

But if you check the whole organization probably is overpaid compared to the market, so review the whole organization, so instead of 200k off one persentor, take a couple of million from top down. Plus I am not say hit the little person at the bottom, but I would expect they have a huge middle management layer that does f**k all and gets paid a lot for it. Hit them

masculinist · 22-03-2020 04:43PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Tv license is a tax, so is all tax extortion according to you?

What tv is RTÉ blocking you from? Did they shut down the internet?

Clearly RTE do not manufacture Televisions. The annual TV charge where you have to effectively rent your TV from the state , a TV you already paid taxes and VAT on is anti competitive cartel racketeering designed to shut out competition from anyone who doesn't want to or can't pay it. "Tax" is not the primary characteristic of the TV tax. Its far more nuanced. I cant even avoid the TV annual charge by blocking RTE from a TV set in my home purchased with my hard earned money or removing its tuner. RTE effectively act as landlords renting something to me that I already own. That's gangster racketeering . And a bunch of untrustworthy people sitting in the Oireachtas doing nothing about it might satisfy a cohort of bootlickers and sychophants but it doesn't do anything for me.

Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee poll not working - pl ignore