Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

PopePalpatine

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Anyone else think the licence fee ads have increased since Covid-19 broke out?

I wouldn't be surprised, think of how many retailers shut up shop for the next few weeks. There's no point in somewhere like Harvey Norman showing off furniture/electronics when you can't visit their stores. There's no point in fast food chains advertising when they're all shut.

Kivaro

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Anyone else think the licence fee ads have increased since Covid-19 broke out?

I noticed the constant RTE license/tax threats on the Virgin Media TV channels.
It is in times likes these, that the country should band together and make sure that our RTE stars are continued to be paid astronomical amounts of money. Here are the top 3 salaries (from 6 years ago):

3. Joe Duffy - €389,988 (€416,893 in 2014)

2. Ray D'Arcy €400,000 (not in 2014 figures)

1. Ryan Tubridy €495,000 (€495,000 in 2014)

Wonder how much do the 70+ managers at RTE get paid?
Do not falter, our stars need us now during these trying times.

"Never was so much owed by so many to so few ...."

Kivaro

Deleted User wrote: »

As much as i despise RTE's bloat, we need a public broadcaster. I do not want fox news.

Unfortunately, this is exactly what we are currently getting with RTE, but on the opposite spectrum. The liberal left agenda in Ireland is spearheaded by the RTE elite. Nothing wrong with many liberal policies; the problem is the nonsensical/non-logical extreme liberal left policies that RTE push to the detriment of our country.

AndyBoBandy

Kivaro wrote: »

Here are the top 3 salaries (from 6 years ago):
3. Joe Duffy - €389,988 (€416,893 in 2014)
2. Ray D'Arcy €400,000 (not in 2014 figures)
1. Ryan Tubridy €495,000 (€495,000 in 2014)

Lets not forget that most likely these 3 guys are contractors, so their company bills RTÉ for the full fee quoted above, then pay 15% corporate tax on it (minus all the write off's like cars, misc costs etc...), and the (their) company then pay these cowboys a very modest salary of lets say €50,000 a year, so they pay some PAYE tax*, but nowhere near the amount they'd pay if they were employee's of RTÉ.

At least for the hundreds of managers** pulling north of 100-150k*** a year, they would be taxed appropriately on it.



*If they are ever cornered and asked the tough question about if they pay their full tax, they can always say they do pay their full tax, but what they won't say is they only pay the full tax on a fraction of what RTÉ has to pay their companies.

**still absolutely no justification to have that many managers in there on filthy salaries, doing sweet fcuk all.

*** don't even get me started on the stagers/labourers in there, who get obscene perks for doing their jobs 'out of hours'. All of which is guaranteed income for them because A. the shows always go on and B. the unions

Idbatterim

Deleted User wrote: »

As much as i despise RTE's bloat, we need a public broadcaster. I do not want fox news.

Tats fine. We can still have a public broadcaster. Looks at the value of land they are on , the infrastructure they have, the winning lotto ticket many of them have been benefiting from for decades. They’ll just be doing it on realistic pay and numbers of staff

Kivaro

fritzelly wrote: »

Posted about this several days ago - they are literally running on fumes right now from existing advertising contracts.
Give it another few weeks and there will be nothing - if this goes on for a few months they will at the Dail door with their begging bowl instead of cutting their cloth like everyone else. I mean they talked a lot about pay cuts but haven't seen any evidence of this being done

This is important, and we need to keep an eye on it.
Devious Dee will be going to the government with cap in hand in a few days due to the depleting advertising revenue. She knows that the government will be borrowing billions of euros (that needs to be paid back some day), and she will want some of this borrowed money. At the very most she will offer very rudimentary salary cuts just for optics, but it is astounding that we are not hearing about substantive cuts at RTE now in order to offset the obvious gap in their incoming revenue. At the very least we should be hearing how RTE stars and staff will join in solidarity with the hundreds of thousands of people in Ireland now on €203 per week after losing their jobs.

But as the RTE heads on here tell us:

Originally Posted by end of the road
it's not the job of rte or any other staff to take pay cuts in solidarity with anyone.

Shefwedfan

Kivaro wrote: »

This is important, and we need to keep an eye on it.
Devious Dee will be going to the government with cap in hand in a few days due to the depleting advertising revenue. She knows that the government will be borrowing billions of euros (that needs to be paid back some day), and she will want some of this borrowed money. At the very most she will offer very rudimentary salary cuts just for optics, but it is astounding that we are not hearing about substantive cuts at RTE now in order to offset the obvious gap in their incoming revenue. At the very least we should be hearing how RTE stars and staff will join in solidarity with the hundreds of thousands of people in Ireland now on €203 per week after losing their jobs.

But as the RTE heads on here tell us:

Why do some people always have to turn each thread into a us v them mentality?



I am no fan of RTE but the person is correct.



How many people on this forum would be willing to walk into their boss tomorrow and go "boss sure cut 50% off my wages because I feel bad about the people out of work"


I would bet 100 euro you wouldnt do it. So why do you expect someone else to do it>?

Edgware

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Anyone else think the licence fee ads have increased since Covid-19 broke out?

I think about nothing else. In the time of a pandemic its the first thought as soon as I wake up

NIMAN

Edgware wrote: »

I think about nothing else. In the time of a pandemic its the first thought as soon as I wake up

The SOR just had an advert break with one advert in it.

Guess what it was?

Kivaro

NIMAN wrote: »

The SOR just had an advert break with one advert in it.

Guess what it was?

A public service announcement by RTE where they volunteer as a collective to operate within their means?

ShamNNspace

Edgware wrote: »

I think about nothing else. In the time of a pandemic its the first thought as soon as I wake up

I really wish I could put up the short vid from this fella on fb. My thoughts exactly

Tea Shock

Idbatterim wrote: »

They’ll just be doing it on realistic pay and numbers of staff

They're terrified of losing Tubridy to Virgin, BBC NBC

end of the road

Kivaro wrote: »

Unfortunately, this is exactly what we are currently getting with RTE, but on the opposite spectrum.

no, it's not.

Kivaro wrote: »

UnfortThe liberal left agenda in Ireland is spearheaded by the RTE elite. Nothing wrong with many liberal policies; the problem is the nonsensical/non-logical extreme liberal left policies that RTE push to the detriment of our country.

there is no liberal left agenda.
rte don't spearhead any policies, rather inform us of policies both proposed and implemented, and what is involved in them, they also don't specifically push any policies, especially not ones which would be to the detriment of our country, because they are not allowed to do so.

Idbatterim wrote: »

Tats fine. We can still have a public broadcaster. Looks at the value of land they are on , the infrastructure they have, the winning lotto ticket many of them have been benefiting from for decades. They’ll just be doing it on realistic pay and numbers of staff

accept it is very unlikely we can still have a public service broadcaster with your methods and wants, because providing psb is quite likely expensive compared to filler tv, between employing journalists to investigate and gather information. i'm sure we could get an ineffective psb though or a cloan of the commercial channels, which i suspect is probably what you want? it doesn't sound like you want a comprehencive psb anyway.
they won't be doing it with the staff levels and pay that are realistic to you only, but likely not in reality, but with the staffing levels and pay they determine are needed.
the money brought in from land and assets i suspect won't last long between costs to set up elsewhere and using whatever else to run a multi-channel psb.
your idea sounds like a non-runner, it's unlikely going to happen i would suspect, i would seriously suspect it's undeliverable, and even in the off chance it so happened to be, the license is likely going nowhere anyway.

Idbatterim

Rte dont push an agenda and a liberal one? Laugh out loud! they are friends of margaret cash and co! Will they be calling for higher welfare payments for people just made redundant? I doubt it! keep looking after the "vulneable" in their free houses, medical card, free money etc..

Gen.Zhukov

NIMAN wrote: »

The SOR just had an advert break with one advert in it.

Guess what it was?

The full show.
10.17 Business post, Liveline (RTE)
10.40 My Options (HSE), John Creedon (RTE)
10.50 Covid 19 warning (Govt), Ryan Tubridy (RTE), Countrywide with D O'R (RTE)
10.59 Licence fee (RTE)
11.17 Liberty Insurance
11.38 Failte Ireland (Govt)
11.55 Sunday miscellany (RTE)

Liveline.
14.20 Ray D'Arcy show ad (RTE), Sunday miscellany (RTE)
14.34 Covid 19 warning (Govt/TFI), Arena (RTE)
14.53 PSRA (Govt/Quango)
14.59 Irish Pharmacy union.

It's not looking good for their advertising revenue.

Christ, I'm bored.

end of the road

Idbatterim wrote: »

Rte dont push an agenda and a liberal one? Laugh out loud! they are friends of margaret cash and co! Will they be calling for higher welfare payments for people just made redundant? I doubt it! keep looking after the "vulneable" in their free houses, medical card, free money etc..

in what way are they friends of margaret cash and co? because of the fact they highlighted that a woman and children slept in a garda station? and then followed that situation for a time and informed us of what was going on in relation to that specific situation?
i thought the job of a psb is to inform, or is it only inform on things some people wish to hear or want to be informed of, while all other facts and information inconvenient to what said individuals wish to hear is ignored and is not reported on?
rte don't look after the vulneable as it is not their remit, they report on issues effecting them as is only right but that is it.
yes i would expect rte won't be calling for higher wellfare payments for people who have been unfortunately made redundant as i would expect it is not in their remit to do so, the same as for other individuals in reseat of wellfare or who may be so going forward.

Brendan Bendar

end of the road wrote: »

in what way are they friends of margaret cash and co? because of the fact they highlighted that a woman and children slept in a garda station? and then followed that situation for a time and informed us of what was going on in relation to that specific situation?
i thought the job of a psb is to inform, or is it only inform on things some people wish to hear or want to be informed of, while all other facts and information inconvenient to what said individuals wish to hear is ignored and is not reported on?
rte don't look after the vulneable as it is not their remit, they report on issues effecting them as is only right but that is it.
yes i would expect rte won't be calling for higher wellfare payments for people who have been unfortunately made redundant as i would expect it is not in their remit to do so, the same as for other individuals in reseat of wellfare or who may be so going forward.

I always thought it was to give balance.

Like what is balance?

For me it’s fair accurate reporting on events as they happened.

I feel RTE tend to examine less forensically the opposition to the establishment and hold them to account as rigourisly as those in charge.

Let them get away with a lot of waffle.

end of the road

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

I always thought it was to give balance.

Like what is balance?

For me it’s fair accurate reporting on events as they happened.

I feel RTE tend to examine less forensically the opposition to the establishment and hold them to account as rigourisly as those in charge.

Let them get away with a lot of waffle.

the establishment are in charge of running the country, i would expect them to be held to the highest possible standard and examined accordingly.
i find where possible the opposition are examined as hard as is possible to do so given their position and the fact they aren't in charge of overseeing the operation of the country

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ShamNNspace

Ah now Ms Cash and her children never "slept" in a Garda station. That was a blatant publicity stunt even a child could see this. What they didn't inform the public about was how Ms cash sat in a drunken stupor (or so she said in court) while her erstwhile jailbird husband tied up an old lady with shoelaces and frightened her so much that she never returned to her home in Wexford. They never informed us of the houses she had turned down or wrecked. They hypocritically championed her "cause" when without a doubt they themselves would not let her and her brood within an asses roar of their own locality. They gave us a fraction of the full story and shame on any "journalist" who unquestionally presented this as Public Service Broadcasting. Signs are on it they discarded her when they tired of her

Brendan Bendar

end of the road wrote: »

the establishment are in charge of running the country, i would expect them to be held to the highest possible standard and examined accordingly.
i find where possible the opposition are examined as hard as is possible to do so given their position and the fact they aren't in charge of overseeing the operation of the country

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I don’t agree,I have to say.

Tonight’s Drivetime was a good example.

Wilson let MLMD chip around the edges of what needed to be done.

Let’s look at it this way, Govt put huge , absolutely huge time effort and experience pulling the whole cabooshe together, the bits and pieces ,the follow ons, the taxpayers money, the agreements, the organisation of a huge ship which needed to be turned a re organised.

In other words implementation and difficult implementation.

There is a huge difference between that, successfully pushing it through,and rocking up with unproved theories,and nothing,and here is the rub,produced ,other than a single issue picked out and offered,not passed not pushed through,not proven other than theory.

It’s the difference between playing on the hard ground, and sipping coffee in the cafe, dude.

end of the road

ShamNNspace wrote: »

Ah now Ms Cash and her children never "slept" in a Garda station. That was a blatant publicity stunt even a child could see this.

publicity stunt or not, was there not a photo of them sleeping in the station? if i remember rightly there was, but tbh i am actually long long since over the whole Cash thing.

ShamNNspace wrote: »

What they didn't inform the public about was how Ms cash sat in a drunken stupor (or so she said in court) while her erstwhile jailbird husband tied up an old lady with shoelaces and frightened her so much that she never returned to her home in Wexford.

i believe they did cover that issue but not as part of her seeking accommodation, because as dispickable as what her and her husband did, it is a separate issue ultimately.

ShamNNspace wrote: »

They never informed us of the houses she had turned down or wrecked.

i believe her turning down houses did get a mention, however it wasn't that much of an issue that deserved all that much coverage anyway, and i would suspect that her wrecking houses if she did so, got coverage also.
however the issue was a woman with a number of children without accommodation and ultimately that was the more relevant issue for the specific report and strand that a specific program may have decided to cover.

ShamNNspace wrote: »

They hypocritically championed her "cause" when without a doubt they themselves would not let her and her brood within an asses roar of their own locality. They gave us a fraction of the full story and shame on any "journalist" who unquestionally presented this as Public Service Broadcasting. Signs are on it they discarded her when they tired of her

they didn't champion her or her cause, rather they informed us of her exact situation, at least from any of the coverage i saw.
they gave us the whole story in relation to the specific issue they were covering in relation to her from any of the coverage i saw, and i would assume any of the other issues did get coverage where they were relevant.

elperello

sligojoek wrote: »

Will RTE's advertising revenue take a nose dive from here on in.?

Not much point advertising your business if it's shut.

Take bonkers.ie for starters. Vodafone, Eir, elictricyty suppliers etc won't be sending engineers to anyone's houses any time soon.

Ryan Tubridy's sponsors, Sky, wont be installing dishes and boxes.

THe list goes on. Harvey Norman. Supermacs, McDonalds. etc.

I think they will lose some revenue but not all.

Online companies will see a chance to increase market share and while they will allocate a lot of their budget to online ads they will be out for new business.

Bonkers and the electricity/gas providers will still be playing the switch game.

Ad managers will be developing strategies to maintain their company's profile hoping for a bounce when this is over.

Any shortfall will unfortunately have to be made up by Government but in the greater scheme of things it won't be a lot.

RabbleRouser2k

https://www.rte.ie/entertainment/2020/0324/1126128-rte-to-launch-operation-covid-nation-in-april/

Sometimes RTE surpasses itsself as parody... 'Covid Nation'. Who's bright idea was this?

Was it someone trying to get fired, then suggested this and RTE were like 'GENIUS!!!'... leading to some poor producer to cry as he realised he'd have to have his name attached.

Idbatterim

ShamNNspace wrote: »

Ah now Ms Cash and her children never "slept" in a Garda station. That was a blatant publicity stunt even a child could see this. What they didn't inform the public about was how Ms cash sat in a drunken stupor (or so she said in court) while her erstwhile jailbird husband tied up an old lady with shoelaces and frightened her so much that she never returned to her home in Wexford. They never informed us of the houses she had turned down or wrecked. They hypocritically championed her "cause" when without a doubt they themselves would not let her and her brood within an asses roar of their own locality. They gave us a fraction of the full story and shame on any "journalist" who unquestionally presented this as Public Service Broadcasting. Signs are on it they discarded her when they tired of her

IMagine her going into tv in any other country! She’d be massacred! Uk do plenty but if documentaries on the welfare state , why has one never been done here ?

Shefwedfan

Idbatterim wrote: »

IMagine her going into tv in any other country! She’d be massacred! Uk do plenty but if documentaries on the welfare state , why has one never been done here ?

Miss Cash has been done to death on other thread, of all the people in Ireland to pick as a poster for house they found one of the biggest scumbags and used her.....poor reporting by RTÉ

Too many bleeding hearts in Ireland, ahh the poor this and the poor that. RTÉ perfer to go
The poor thing route than showing up the wasters we have...

Wanderer78

Idbatterim wrote:

IMagine her going into tv in any other country! She’d be massacred! Uk do plenty but if documentaries on the welfare state , why has one never been done here ?

Again, we don't have a welfare state, we have a bog standard free market economy

end of the road

Idbatterim wrote: »

IMagine her going into tv in any other country! She’d be massacred! Uk do plenty but if documentaries on the welfare state , why has one never been done here ?

because i would suspect there is little demand for such programming, given most people in this country have better things to do then to be watching poverty porn trash.
i would suggest that those programs on the "wellfare state" in the uk are the last programs one should be using as a guide to anything wellfare related in the uk, from what couple of them i have given a watch to, they very much seem to have been and be put together to put forward a particular slant/view in the aim of targeting a specific audieince, i would suspect sun and daily mail readers, but that is just a suspicion on my part.
FYI ireland, and most definitely the UK are not wellfare states, but states with wellfare provisions.
if you believe there is demand for programming designed to appeal to your viewpoints, i'm sure yourself and the few others here unhappy with the lack of coverage for your viewpoints could set up a tv channel dedicated to such programming?

Nevin Parsnipp

end of the road wrote: »

because i would suspect there is little demand for such programming, given most people in this country have better things to do then to be watching poverty porn trash.
i would suggest that those programs on the "wellfare state" in the uk are the last programs one should be using as a guide to anything wellfare related in the uk, from what couple of them i have given a watch to, they very much seem to have been and be put together to put forward a particular slant/view in the aim of targeting a specific audieince, i would suspect sun and daily mail readers, but that is just a suspicion on my part.
FYI ireland, and most definitely the UK are not wellfare states, but states with wellfare provisions.
if you believe there is demand for programming designed to appeal to your viewpoints, i'm sure yourself and the few others here unhappy with the lack of coverage for your viewpoints could set up a tv channel dedicated to such programming?

Ever hear of CAPITALS and PARAGRAPHS pal ...I'm sure your post was amazing but I couldn't read that lazy poorly put together wall of print !

Just sayin.....

glenfieldman

end of the road wrote: »

because i would suspect there is little demand for such programming, given most people in this country have better things to do then to be watching poverty porn trash.

Really ?
Who in RTE gave the go ahead for this goulish s**t, Im surprised Duffy is not co-presenting

Now try to defend that

end of the road

glenfieldman wrote: »

Really ?
Who in RTE gave the go ahead for this goulish s**t, Im surprised Duffy is not co-presenting

Now try to defend that

gave the go ahead for what?
what am i to go ahead and defend?