CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) Read OP

stephenjmcd · 21-03-2020 04:57PM

Snowbiee21 wrote: »

Well

Testing centres, same as every other one set up

FVP3 · 21-03-2020 04:58PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

You have no basis for that load of rubbish. Why not trust our figures? At least we are doing a lot more testing than the UK. It's easy to stay down the worldometer league table by not testing, and thus not confirming, positive cases.

This type of pontificating without facts is neither clever, enlightening, helpful, nor worth heeding.

Oh I am totally an empiricist.

I don't trust figures from anywhere, really. As for whether we are testing everybody, I for one wasn't tested when I came down with a severe cold a week ago, although I asked. Plenty of people on here said the same, the HSE until recently only tested people who had been in contact with risk groups, or came from abroad ( places considered a risk only), or were taken to hospital. Both Ireland and Britain have bumped up their testing recently, but it's still far from universal.

To do it properly, given the level of asymptomatic people out there. we all should be tested, and I am sure that will come.

Jim_Hodge · 21-03-2020 04:58PM

Coronavirus wrote: »

I'm not making a joke outta it.
Self - Isolate now as I'm coming to get u

How about doing a bit of growing up?

Achasanai · 21-03-2020 04:59PM

FVP3 wrote: »

The UK is less riddled by it than we are. At least if you trust their figures, which I don't fully, but nevertheless I don't trust Ireland either.

I've been lurking here a while and I must say I am worried about Ireland, Germany and the US more than most other countries. The worldometer site sees no slowdown in the increase in these countries ( particularly visible in the log scale). Theres a ten fold increase every ten day or so, faster in Germany in fact.

The Italian and Spanish curve is beginning to flatten. The increases are still happening but the rate of the increase in slowing.

The UK is fairly open about not doing as much testing as is advised by the health bodies (I think this may be changing in the last few days) - that would be a more worrying point for me rather than just relying on case numbers. That and ICU/deaths.

caveat emptor · 21-03-2020 05:00PM

FVP3 wrote: »

No the money isn't borrowed, its just created. I can't see any reference to Zimbabwe using helicopter money during their time of hyperinflation. In fact theories of hyperinflation being caused by excessive borrowing or printing seem wanting in empirical evidence, like a lot of economics.

anyway all this is moot in a deflationary period. Imagine instead of deflation of 5%, you add enough money to the money supply to increase inflation by 5%. That gets you back to 0.

People don't want to believe this, but banks create money all the time, when they issue loans.

Thank you so much. It goes against common sense but it's true. I do think this time is different because the effects of mass absenteeism/ lack of demand is a greater burden on system then giving everyone a bonus.

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! · 21-03-2020 05:01PM

Does anyone know why this SARS-CoV-2 is so much more infectious than the SARS we had back in 2003?

If they are both related illnesses, I wonder why the massive difference with infection rates?

That one had around a 10% mortality rate, but infected far less people. And also seemed to fizzle out relatively quickly. (They still don't have a vaccine for that one either btw)

yerwanthere123 · 21-03-2020 05:01PM

Reckless Abandonment wrote: »

Why are the airports still open. Who's travelling??
Anyone wanting to go home or come surely has done it already?

Not quite, things take time to plan, especially when travelling from across the world. Cousin of mine is currently en-route from Malaysia and will arrive into Dublin on Sunday, followed by two weeks of isolation at home in Cork.

wakka12 · 21-03-2020 05:02PM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

Does anyone know why this SARS-CoV-2 is so much more infectious than the SARS we had back in 2003?

If they are both related illnesses, I wonder why the massive difference with infection rates?

That one had around a 10% mortality rate, but infected far less people. And also seemed to fizzle out relatively quickly. (They still don't have a vaccine for that one either btw)

SARS was only infectious once symptoms showed. Symptoms were very severe so anyone who got it was bedridden right after they started showing symptoms/became infectious

FVP3 · 21-03-2020 05:02PM

Achasanai wrote: »

The UK is fairly open about not doing as much testing as is advised by the health bodies (I think this may be changing in the last few days) - that would be a more worrying point for me rather than just relying on case numbers. That and ICU/deaths.

You could be right, and thanks for a reasonable reply to a reasonable post. I merely think that both countries were not testing enough, and are not testing enough, and we should follow the South Korea model if possible.

Not least because knowing who has had it will allow us to resume the economy, if we assume they are not vectors of disease when cured.

yerwanthere123 · 21-03-2020 05:03PM

bodhrandude wrote: »

Something to cheer ye's up or just a bit of humour amongst the heaviness.

I like the ones where no name-change is required :pac:

Happy4all · 21-03-2020 05:03PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Full interview here
https://www.eastcoast.fm/podcasts2/podcasts/the-morning-show/episode/wicklow-man-tells-east-coast-fms-morning-show-about-his-experience-after-recovering-from-covid-19/

2 weeks ago!

The outbreak in northern Italy's skiing resorts was well documented at that time. Wtf was he and his business buddies thinking . Selfish to say the least.

neonsofa · 21-03-2020 05:04PM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

Does anyone know why this SARS-CoV-2 is so much more infectious than the SARS we had back in 2003?

If they are both related illnesses, I wonder why the massive difference with infection rates?

That one had around a 10% mortality rate, but infected far less people. And also seemed to fizzle out relatively quickly. (They still don't have a vaccine for that one either btw)

I think the more severe it is the less chance it has to spread due to quicker onset of more obvious symptoms. This one has many people spreading with no symptoms. I could be really wrong on that though!

MipMap · 21-03-2020 05:04PM

frillyleaf wrote: »

Yes people without symptoms are potentially more dangerous:(

They can only test people who request a test through their GPs. The Gp decides if a test should be requested.
The fact that they are scrambling to get more test kits suggests there is a backlog.

Asymptomatic people will not contact their GP as they have no symptoms.

What is needed is a cheap and fast test like the pregnancy tester. If you show positive on one of these you then get a proper onme done.

They are trying to develop something like this as it would be a game changer

pawdee · 21-03-2020 05:05PM

Yester wrote: »

And Covid Eileen by Dexys Midnight Runners .

My Corona. The Knack.

noodler · 21-03-2020 05:06PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

No because unlike you I can speak a different language. Reads fine to me. Education is hard work. I suggest you start with google translate, copy and paste. Either way I couldn't give a fvck. You are welcome.

That's grand

I'll take your your word for it that you can speak Italian.

However it doesn't change my scepticism that such radical measures have been introduced and the English speaking media haven't been reporting on it.

It's actually strange you posted to an Italian (regional?) Paper rather than an English source.

I suspect you have misinterpreted something, I am sure without any intended malice but you were suggesting Ireland could print its own money a few pages back so I'll definitely not be taking your word for it.

There is no evidence I have seen that Italy has made firings during illegal (how could you if the company goes bust?) or is forcing companies to pay 80% of workers wages (how could bust companies do this?).

These are no small things, the whole world is watching Italy and it seems very hard to believe that they haven't been reporting on it.

sheepsh4gger · 21-03-2020 05:06PM

On image boards people are saying tonics include plant extracts used to make the malaria drug:

I bet now everyone will be buying Schweppes

statesaver · 21-03-2020 05:07PM

No sports on is starting to piss me off, if bowls was on i'd watch it.

odyssey06 · 21-03-2020 05:07PM

I wonder if the photo of army setup on quays is related to this:
IRISH Navy ships are set to become floating Covid-19 test centres after the home of the GAA was today revamped into a drive-thru test facility.
https://www.thesun.ie/news/5217582/coronavirus-in-ireland-irish-navy-ships-covid-19-test-centres/

cameramonkey · 21-03-2020 05:07PM

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

Wicklow man recovered from coronavirus showed no symptoms after ski trip

https://twitter.com/IrishTimes/status/1241385840711839744

7 who tested positive had zero symptoms in this cae. A study from the North of Italy in a town that tested everyone said that of the people who tested positive 9 out of 10 had absolutely no symptoms. It is a really strange outcome.

Stheno · 21-03-2020 05:07PM

Local supervalu very organised with social distancing, gloves and sanitiser

Blueshoe · 21-03-2020 05:08PM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

Does anyone know why this SARS-CoV-2 is so much more infectious than the SARS we had back in 2003?

If they are both related illnesses, I wonder why the massive difference with infection rates?

That one had around a 10% mortality rate, but infected far less people. And also seemed to fizzle out relatively quickly. (They still don't have a vaccine for that one either btw)

The SARS virus is still active in the middle East. A handful of cases pop up every year.

I think all eyes should be on China. If they start to log more and more cases again then we are all in serious poo poo. Our biggest weapon against the virus is total lockdown and social distancing. They completely locked down parts of the country. Millions of people.
If the virus makes a large scale reappearence expect global panic.

threeball · 21-03-2020 05:09PM

545 new deads in Lombardy alone. How long can the doctors and nurses keep going doing 18hr shifts then sleeping before going again.

MipMap · 21-03-2020 05:10PM

Stheno wrote: »

Local supervalu very organised with social distancing, gloves and sanitiser

Any crowds there?
The Brits are reporting wide scale panic buying - we don't seem to be seeing this as badly

LaFuton · 21-03-2020 05:10PM

so will this be all over by july?

amadangomor · 21-03-2020 05:11PM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

Does anyone know why this SARS-CoV-2 is so much more infectious than the SARS we had back in 2003?

If they are both related illnesses, I wonder why the massive difference with infection rates?

That one had around a 10% mortality rate, but infected far less people. And also seemed to fizzle out relatively quickly. (They still don't have a vaccine for that one either btw)

If you got Sars 1 you were very ill very quickly so could not get around to spread it widely.

That's why this one is so dangerous with people with none or mild symptoms spreading it.

joeguevara · 21-03-2020 05:11PM

Happy4all wrote: »

2 weeks ago!

The outbreak in northern Italy's skiing resorts was well documented at that time. Wtf was he and his business buddies thinking . Selfish to say the least.

Pure craziness and selfishness. A ski trip in an area that was probably half closed down anyway was worth more than his health, health of family and the general public. But there was a poster on another thread who was off to Amsterdam for the weekend a week ago, and they were doing herd immunity. At the time over 60 deaths. Even worse, they were refusing to follow their employers policy of self isolating for 2 weeks if returning from a highly infected area.

FVP3 · 21-03-2020 05:11PM

noodler wrote: »

That's grand

I'll take your your word for it that you can speak Italian.

However it doesn't change my scepticism that such radical measures have been introduced and the English speaking media haven't been reporting on it.

It's actually strange you posted to an Italian (regional?) Paper rather than an English source.

I suspect you have misinterpreted something, I am sure without any intended malice but you were suggesting Ireland could print its own money a few pages back so I'll definitely not be taking your word for it.

There is no evidence I have seen that Italy has made during illegal (how could you if the company goes bust?) or is forcing companies to pay 80% of workers wages (how could bust companies do this?).

These are no small things, the whole world is watching Italy and it seems very hard to believe that they haven't been reporting on it.

So your argument here remains the same - an Italian newspaper is not to be trusted about Italy and only an English speaking newspaper should be trusted. This isn't the best argument I have ever heard.

With regard to "printing" helicopter money I believe the Irish central bank can technically do it, or the banks themselves. It's just ones and zeros, as the man said. That said the ECB might have to agree or else individual countries will be devaluing the Euro.

c.p.w.g.w · 21-03-2020 05:13PM

When can we expect todays figures for ireland?

threeball · 21-03-2020 05:14PM

joeguevara wrote: »

Pure craziness and selfishness. A ski trip in an area that was probably half closed down anyway was worth more than his health, health of family and the general public. But there was a poster on another thread who was off to Amsterdam for the weekend a week ago, and they were doing herd immunity. At the time over 60 deaths. Even worse, they were refusing to follow their employers policy of self isolating for 2 weeks if returning from a highly infected area.

Saw this flute on linkedin yesterday posting about this. His excuse was along the lines of, well if they didn't want me to go they should have stopped the flights. Grade A tit.

amadangomor · 21-03-2020 05:15PM

Happy4all wrote: »

2 weeks ago!

The outbreak in northern Italy's skiing resorts was well documented at that time. Wtf was he and his business buddies thinking . Selfish to say the least.

If you listened to the interview they were assured that the place they were going to was safe from the virus at that stage.

But agree with you that they shouldn't have travelled at that stage.

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CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) Read OP