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The UK response to Covid-19 [MOD WARNING 1ST POST]

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    #272
    McGiver
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    RobMc59 wrote:
    Slightly off thread title but could people of latin european race and ethnicity be more susceptible to the virus? (only exception being Portugal to date)Infection rate seems considerably higher in Italy,Spain and France.
    WTF is a "Latin European race"????? This sounds like 1920s German or 1900s English stuff...


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    #273
    McGiver
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    threeball wrote:
    They're saying Type A blood is more susceptible. Don't know if thats more prevalent there.
    Blood type A is of course the most common.

    What the Chinese study (not peer reviewed) said that they observed disproportionately more cases of blood type A patients than the % of blood type A in the population.


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    #274
    McGiver
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    meeeeh wrote:
    Ireland is doing the same, so is Italy and as far as I know other countries. Death rate in Italy is do high because they don't have enough staff and beds.
    No entirely. Death rate in the Italy is also higher because the centre of the outbreak is in quite densely populated area with 26M people and with really old population. 23% of mortality cases are 90+ years, 20% 80+ years.


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    #275
    Darc19
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    McGiver wrote: »
    No entirely. Death rate in the Italy is also higher because the centre of the outbreak is in quite densely populated area with 26M people and with really old population. 23% of mortality cases are 90+ years, 20% 80+ years.

    Also the Italian tradition of big get togethers daily /weekly and the hugging and kissing when people meet does not help either.


    Unfortunately too little was known at the early stages and it has hit Italy hard


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    #276
    [Deleted User]
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    McGiver wrote: »
    WTF is a "Latin European race"????? This sounds like 1920s German or 1900s English stuff...

    The Latin League was Rome and the surrounding area's tribes. Because of the Roman Empire, these peoples and the basis of Romance language spread through Italy, France, Spain and Portugal mainly. The poster is I guess hypothesising that this disease affects those peoples more than say the descendants of the Gauls, the Celts, the Vikings etc.


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    #277
    meeeeh
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    McGiver wrote: »
    No entirely. Death rate in the Italy is also higher because the centre of the outbreak is in quite densely populated area with 26M people and with really old population. 23% of mortality cases are 90+ years, 20% 80+ years.

    I read the interview with Italian doctor who basically said they could keep most people alive if they had enough ventilators, icu beds and staff. They are saying people are dying on the door of the hospital because they can't get in. (Article is in Slovene so I won't bother with link). The average age of mortality is dropping because they need equipment for younger population. When the system breaks a lot more and a lot younger people die.


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    #278
    RobMc59
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    McGiver wrote: »
    WTF is a "Latin European race"????? This sounds like 1920s German or 1900s English stuff...

    They're recognized as Latin European countries.
    https://en.m.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Latin_Europe


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    #279
    coastwatch
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    This would help cheer up anyone amid all the anxiety and gloom.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8134807/Primary-school-pupils-sing-elderly-flats-opposite-playground.html


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    #280
    the purple tin
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    Seamai wrote: »
    That's what centuries of inbreeding does, makes you delusional. In'it.
    The tone of the BBC presenter and commentator was God bless her, isn't she brave, stiff upper lip, rah rah rah.

    She is being a bloody stupid mare. The commentator said it was ok because she isn't in the at-risk group (70 and up) she's 69.
    Jesus Wept!


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    #281
    careless sherpa
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    coastwatch wrote: »
    This would help cheer up anyone amid all the anxiety and gloom.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8134807/Primary-school-pupils-sing-elderly-flats-opposite-playground.html

    Except they all look piled in together to perform.


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    #282
    Donald Trump
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    RobMc59 wrote: »
    I`ve reduced posting on this as in all available online statistics the UK infection rate is unremarkable and confirmed cases are actually less than all similar sized European countries but that has`nt stopped continual unsupported posts claiming that the UK is much worse than it is.


    Sure they'd have a 0% infection rate or confirmed cases if they stopped testing altogether :rolleyes:


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    #283
    Blueshoe
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    Tory government to pay wages up to 80% of those made redundant because of the virus .

    Fg government will give you the dole with an extra 100 if you are infected.


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    #284
    ChikiChiki
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    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Tory government to pay wages up to 80% of those made redundant because of the virus .

    Fg government will give you the dole with an extra 100 if you are infected.

    Seems like an unsustainable promise.

    Even our 100 on top of the dole will become unsustainable at some point as the economy limps through.


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    #285
    Donald Trump
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    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Tory government to pay wages up to 80% of those made redundant because of the virus .

    Fg government will give you the dole with an extra 100 if you are infected.


    Not quite correct.

    UK will contribute 80% of wages up to 2,500 GBP a month if employer places them on leave instead of making them redundant

    FYI, max statutory redundancy payment in UK is 15,750 GBP. You can claim statutory redundancy in UK if laid off temporarily for more than 4 weeks. One weeks salary (up to 525 GBP per week) for every year worked aged 22-40 and 1.5 weeks for years worked over that. (And that's not taxable)


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    #286
    RobMc59
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    Donald Trump wrote: »
    Not quite correct.

    UK will contribute 80% of wages up to 2,500 GBP a month if employer places them on leave instead of making them redundant

    FYI, max statutory redundancy payment in UK is 15,750 GBP. You can claim statutory redundancy in UK if laid off temporarily for more than 4 weeks. One weeks salary (up to 525 GBP per week) for every year worked aged 22-40 and 1.5 weeks for years worked over that. (And that's not taxable)

    Well I'm British and would be willing to pay a bit more tax to help the country get through this-any help the government can arrange for those hardest hit financially is the decent thing to do imo and I dislike Johnson and his cronies intensely.


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    #287
    [Deleted User]
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    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Tory government to pay wages up to 80% of those made redundant because of the virus .

    Fg government will give you the dole with an extra 100 if you are infected.

    They’re legends at the old promises alright. Reality would be a fairer course of action for people.


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    #288
    VinLieger
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    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Tory government to pay wages up to 80% of those made redundant because of the virus .

    Fg government will give you the dole with an extra 100 if you are infected.

    Completely unsustainable for the several months this is projected to last


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    #289
    Donald Trump
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    RobMc59 wrote: »
    Well I'm British and would be willing to pay a bit more tax to help the country get through this-any help the government can arrange for those hardest hit financially is the decent thing to do imo and I dislike Johnson and his cronies intensely.


    Those hardest hit won't qualify unfortunately. Those on zero-hour contracts etc. They'll just be let go.

    The measure is a direct help for businesses (which is of course indirectly helping employees)


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    #290
    JR Harvey
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    the purple tin wrote: »
    The irish chat show hosts sit well away from each other, look on the BBC morning they are not even a half a metre apart, the same distance thay have always sat.
    Now they are telling viewers how serious cv19 is but still sitting on top of each other :confused:

    Did you see the teachers hugging the students as they broke up from school? Did you see the pictures of the congestion on the Tube. Truly frightening


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    #291
    CelticRambler
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    RobMc59 wrote: »
    all available online statistics the UK infection rate is unremarkable and confirmed cases are actually less than all similar sized European countries
    Confirmed cases are less only because the UK currently has a policy of not testing. No test = no confirmation.
    Confirmed deaths, however are increasing at a rate at least as fast as they did in Italy at the same point. This means that the best one can say about Johnson's approach is that it's no worse than the current worst example - hardly something to be content with when the country had at least two weeks to avoid that very scenario.
    Computer Science Student wrote: »
    the brits have nailed this. Didn't take extreme measures too early but when they did they completely outdid other countries. This is exactly the herd immunity strategy that was initially proposed, and it looks like it may have been timed beautifully so as to spread the load on the hospitals.
    Based on ... what? :confused: Announcing the shut-down of social and leisure facilities yesterday, Johnson said it was to save thousands of lives. If that's true, can you provide statistical evidence to show how this has been "timed beautifully" - i.e. that putting these measures in place last week would have made things worse? Are you certain that Johnson's delay won't see huge numbers of young people ending up in ICU for weeks and weeks and weeks (as is now happening in Italy), straining the NHS way beyond the shorter stay of older people who die quickly?

    Because if you can't, then you're in no position to say that the Brits have nailed this. In any case, it's nonsensical to say they "outdid other countries" when other (European) countries have curfews in place, enforced movement restrictions and military personnel actively involved in managing the situation locally.


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    #292
    Seamai
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    RobMc59 wrote: »
    Slightly off thread title but could people of latin european race and ethnicity be more susceptible to the virus? (only exception being Portugal to date)Infection rate seems considerably higher in Italy,Spain and France.

    We were having a conversation about that over breakfast this morning. People talk about the about the Mediterranean diet and longevity but maybe they also have an Achille's heel, different races sometimes can be more susceptible to certain conditions than others. I think the aging population is only part of the reason for the shocking figures in Italy. I'm not sure what percentage of the population are smokers but I know it's quite a bit higher than here, that can't help.


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    #293
    Bobeagleburger
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    Worse than Italy at the same stage. That is damning.


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    #294
    theteal
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    Instead of telling people just to stay at home. National Parks are advertising free parking to get people "out and active and practice social distancing". W.T.F.

    I tried to get a screenshot but it's now buried after a refresh


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    #295
    fryup
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    we'll find out in time if this herd immunity policy has worked....don't brit bash just yet


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    #296
    timhenn
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    fryup wrote: »
    we'll find out in time if this herd immunity policy has worked....don't brit bash just yet

    You can self hate all you like but don't dare criticise people who are putting Irish peoples lives at risk with their non-sensical policies!


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    #297
    Donald Trump
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    fryup wrote: »
    we'll find out in time if this herd immunity policy has worked....don't brit bash just yet

    It can't "work".

    Allowing it to propagate freely and quickly cannot be better than slowing down the rate of arrivals to ICU.

    UK are moving in line behind other countries, just very very slowly and obstinately.


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    #298
    threeball
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    fryup wrote: »
    we'll find out in time if this herd immunity policy has worked....don't brit bash just yet

    For the hundredth time. Herd immunity without control is just suicide. You need to be able to control the flow of people to hospitals through distancing measures. The Brits finally accepted that but too late.


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    #299
    [Deleted User]
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    CelticRambler wrote: »
    Confirmed cases are less only because the UK currently has a policy of not testing. No test = no confirmation.

    please can you provide some back up to support this claim?
    threeball wrote: »
    For the hundredth time. Herd immunity without control is just suicide. You need to be able to control the flow of people to hospitals through distancing measures. The Brits finally accepted that but too late.

    you need to control the flow to below the level your health care can cope with. The Irish and British systems will have differing opinions on what this level is. What works for Ireland may not work for the UK and vice versa.


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    coastwatch
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    Good opinion piece in the Guardian from an NHS Junior Doctor working in A&E now,
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/21/nhs-junior-doctor-stay-at-home-coronavirus


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    #301
    threeball
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    Aegir wrote: »
    please can you provide some back up to support this claim?



    you need to control the flow to below the level your health care can cope with. The Irish and British systems will have differing opinions on what this level is. What works for Ireland may not work for the UK and vice versa.

    They are different but not as different as the strategies as both countries have been and the uk are already under pressure in London as a result. We'll see how it plays out but the numbers so far would suggest it's not going to reflect favourably on the British decisions.


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