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CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) *Read OP*

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  • #6422
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,437 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    wakka12 wrote: »
    No they dont, they count as local transmission. During contact tracing anyone known to have spent any time around the person is told to self isolate, and may be tested. A community transmission means none of the known persons the infected person spent any time around had the infection, and so it was most likely a casual interaction with a stranger

    Oh right, I see the difference here : in this case then, 'community' refers to Ireland and 'local' to immediate locality and environs.


  • #6423
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,277 ✭✭✭MOR316


    Level 42 wrote: »
    Wearing masks is ridiculous unless your working in a hospital

    I've got one of those face clown/skeleton bandanas. Bought it for a laugh about 10 years ago.

    Might dig it out


  • #6424
    Jenbach110
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 154 ✭✭Jenbach110


    Seamai wrote: »
    When I was 14 I had the **** kicked out of me on a daily basis by pr*icks like this for being the class fag and never once hit back.

    I blame the parents, and before you ask no I don't have kids myself so what would I know? oh wait a minute, I actually was one once and it wasn't so great.

    Wow just wow yourself.

    Im sorry whats happened to you.

    But it doesnt justify elbowing a 14 year old into the stomach.

    If that can be justified so can physical abuse


  • #6425
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    paddythere wrote: »
    From what i've read on it- if you are close to someone who has it and they sneeze openly there is a good chance you will get it. If they sneeze in a particular area it can survive in the air for up to an hour- meaning you could walk through a supermarket aisle an hour after that person and still catch it

    that would only be true if it was "airborne". all the evidence we have is that this is spread by droplets of mucus/saliva which fall by gravity very quickly. two very different modes of transmission.


  • #6426
    expectationlost
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,456 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Strazdas wrote: »
    Oh right, I see the difference here : in this case then, 'community' refers to Ireland and 'local' to immediate locality and environs.
    local is local (as opposed to travel from abroad) and a known source, community is local and unknown source.


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  • #6427
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 13,346 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Xertz wrote: »
    I'm just wondering what the exit strategy is for this? Or if we even have one?
    I mean realistically, we can't just have the whole planet in lock down for years. It's not feasible.

    Will it go away if we lock down and it just has no opportunity to spread for a while and it 'burns out' ?

    Or, will it just come back again when we relax?

    Seems like a drug and vaccine solution is the only way out.

    Was just thinking the same thing.
    See my post a few posts up with a link to this BBC article.

    BBC News - Coronavirus: When will the outbreak end and life get back to normal?
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51963486


  • #6428
    giveitholly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    Andrew00 wrote: »
    Hi my name is Paschkill Donothue

    Really,is there any need for this crap,my young son has a lisp and I hate this **** from grown adults,is this the world I have to bring him up in?


  • #6429
    amadangomor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,144 ✭✭✭amadangomor


    gozunda wrote: »
    Not according to the hse it isn't - they detail general 'breathing difficulties' - not 'tightness of the chest' as specifically called out by several posters.

    https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/symptoms-causes-treatment.html

    'Infection' can only be medically diagnosed btw ...

    I have been diagnosed with a chest infection, cause unknown. Could be bacterial or Corvid-19. I have tightness in my chest, pain when I breathe deeply and shortness of breath.


  • #6430
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 13,346 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    froog wrote: »
    that would only be true if it was "airborne". all the evidence we have is that this is spread by droplets of mucus/saliva which fall by gravity very quickly. two very different modes of transmission.

    I think it's a bit in between.

    Not freely airborne, but can exist in smaller droplets that float around longer than larger droplets.

    It's the 2 day plus on fomites that concerns me, so hence the wash your hands. Every time you come home from outside, and also often within the home.


  • #6431
    skimpydoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,716 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    gozunda wrote: »
    Not according to the hse it isn't - they detail general 'breathing difficulties' - not 'tightness of the chest' as specifically called out by several posters.

    https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/symptoms-causes-treatment.html

    'Infection' can only be medically diagnosed btw ...
    in America, tightness of the chest is one of the recognised symptoms.


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  • #6432
    expectationlost
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,456 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    froog wrote: »
    that would only be true if it was "airborne". all the evidence we have is that this is spread by droplets of mucus/saliva which fall by gravity very quickly. two very different modes of transmission.
    wonder what the definition of airborne is


    one study suggest this virus may be airborne https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/18/coronavirus-lives-for-hours-in-air-particles-and-days-on-surfaces-new-us-study-shows.html


  • #6433
    joe_99
    Closed Accounts Posts: 763 ✭✭✭joe_99


    Turtwig wrote: »
    Dafuq they going to afford that!? Less burdens on the state pension?

    Just print money. No borrowing needed. Inflation not an issue at the moment


  • #6434
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,437 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    expectationlost wrote: »
    local is local (as opposed to travel from abroad) and a known source, community is local and unknown source.

    A lot of semantics here though. Arguably 'local' and 'community' are the exact same thing :

    ..... has defined “local” as transmission through known, local community contacts, and different from the larger community, where a link could not be established with an individual known to be infected. This differentiation between local and community transmission is misleading, given that locals with whom an individual is in contact are in turn a part of a larger community with their own sets of contacts. Moreover, there does not appear to be any need for this debate, considering that the WHO has only two criteria for the modes of transmission prevalent in a country—imported cases or local transmission


  • #6435
    amadangomor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,144 ✭✭✭amadangomor


    Jenbach110 wrote: »
    Im sorry whats happened to you.

    But it doesnt justify elbowing a 14 year old into the stomach.

    If that can be justified so can physical abuse

    They were acting in a disruptive, disrespectful manner and started with the physical stuff by moving into his space. Need some manners put on them.


  • #6436
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    amadangomor wrote: »
    I have been diagnosed with a chest infection, cause unknown. Could be bacterial or Corvid-19. I have tightness in my chest, pain when I breathe deeply and shortness of breath.

    Are you going to be tested?


  • #6437
    expectationlost
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,456 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Was just thinking the same thing.
    See my post a few posts up with a link to this BBC article.

    BBC News - Coronavirus: When will the outbreak end and life get back to normal?
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51963486
    jeez article will cheer you up... not


  • #6438
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,957 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    giveitholly wrote: »
    Really,is there any need for this crap,my young son has a lisp and I hate this **** from grown adults,is this the world I have to bring him up in?

    No it's not the world you have to bring him up in. It's just some clown who can't string a witty sentence together.
    Ignore


  • #6439
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    skimpydoo wrote: »
    in America, tightness of the chest is one of the recognised symptoms.

    Source?


  • #6440
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 13,346 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    joe_99 wrote: »
    Just print money. No borrowing needed. Inflation not an issue at the moment

    Yeah, printing won't inflate demand now, because people can't spend.

    Really interesting economics of this.
    Will we see a local boom when restrictions are lifted?

    I don't know if there are any economic models of how this will play out?


  • #6441
    rogieop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 416 ✭✭rogieop


    expectationlost wrote: »
    wonder what the definition of airborne is


    one study suggest this virus may be airborne https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/18/coronavirus-lives-for-hours-in-air-particles-and-days-on-surfaces-new-us-study-shows.html

    More than one. There seems to be more and more evidence pointing towards this being airborne.


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  • #6442
    maebee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,816 ✭✭✭maebee


    Jenbach110 wrote: »
    Good god the break down of society.

    Were you never 14?

    Bitta jostling among teenagers rewarded with an assault.


    Wow just wow

    I was an awful eejit when I was 14 but if there was a deadly viral pandemic then, I know that my parents would have knocked the eejitery right out of me.


  • #6443
    amadangomor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,144 ✭✭✭amadangomor


    Strazdas wrote: »
    A lot of semantics here though. Arguably 'local' and 'community' are the exact same thing :

    ..... has defined “local” as transmission through known, local community contacts, and different from the larger community, where a link could not be established with an individual known to be infected. This differentiation between local and community transmission is misleading, given that locals with whom an individual is in contact are in turn a part of a larger community with their own sets of contacts. Moreover, there does not appear to be any need for this debate, considering that the WHO has only two criteria for the modes of transmission prevalent in a country—imported cases or local transmission

    If the HSE use the term community transmission in a certain way it is important we understand their terminology if we want to discuss it.


  • #6444
    skimpydoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,716 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    Earlier today I wrote an article for Irish Tech News detailing how social media is being used for good in these strange days. I also mention a fantastic online concert that is taking place this Sunday. https://irishtechnews.ie/social-media-and-covid-19/


  • #6445
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 13,346 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    expectationlost wrote: »
    jeez article will cheer you up... not

    I know. Multi year challenge.


  • #6446
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,957 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    joe_99 wrote: »
    Just print money. No borrowing needed. Inflation not an issue at the moment

    No . Cut government spending afterwards. Irish taxpayers will be getting a serious bill too. Can't be helped. Whatever is necessary to defeat the virus here and get the country back on track. Considering our history of budget overruns this bill is going to be eye watering.


  • #6447
    Jenbach110
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 154 ✭✭Jenbach110


    amadangomor wrote: »
    They were acting in a disruptive, disrespectful manner and started with the physical stuff by moving into his space. Need some manners put on them.

    Well yeah thats resonable.

    Im starting a petition next week to bring back corporal punishment in Ireland, I now appoint you secretary of my committee


  • #6448
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Strazdas wrote: »
    A lot of semantics here though. Arguably 'local' and 'community' are the exact same thing :

    ..... has defined “local” as transmission through known, local community contacts, and different from the larger community, where a link could not be established with an individual known to be infected. This differentiation between local and community transmission is misleading, given that locals with whom an individual is in contact are in turn a part of a larger community with their own sets of contacts. Moreover, there does not appear to be any need for this debate, considering that the WHO has only two criteria for the modes of transmission prevalent in a country—imported cases or local transmission
    I don't see how you could say they are arguably the same thing at all. One has a known source the other doesn't, in epidemiological terms that is an enormous distinction. Local just proves there is definitely one other infected person for sure, there may be no others. Community transmission implies there are a significant number of other infected people out there


  • #6449
    expectationlost
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,456 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Strazdas wrote: »
    A lot of semantics here though. Arguably 'local' and 'community' are the exact same thing :

    ..... has defined “local” as transmission through known, local community contacts, and different from the larger community, where a link could not be established with an individual known to be infected. This differentiation between local and community transmission is misleading, given that locals with whom an individual is in contact are in turn a part of a larger community with their own sets of contacts. Moreover, there does not appear to be any need for this debate, considering that the WHO has only two criteria for the modes of transmission prevalent in a country—imported cases or local transmission
    you were the one who misinterpreted this post https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112901364&postcount=6408


  • #6450
    threeball
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,808 ✭✭✭threeball


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Was just thinking the same thing.
    See my post a few posts up with a link to this BBC article.

    BBC News - Coronavirus: When will the outbreak end and life get back to normal?
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51963486

    The best bet at this stage is finding a drug that can reduce the fatality rate. If thats already tested in humans we can just suck it up, accept that we will get infected at some point and take the drug if necessary if symptoms are heading down a bad path.

    After that its herd immunity which would be reached around the same timeframe as vaccines.

    Without a drug its going to be a long long haul and difficult to know what kind of world we will have when we get there.


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  • #6451
    Kaysen Fat Podiatrist
    Posts: 13,753 ✭✭✭✭ Kaysen Fat Podiatrist


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    I think it's a bit in between.

    Not freely airborne, but can exist in smaller droplets that float around longer than larger droplets.

    It's the 2 day plus on fomites that concerns me, so hence the wash your hands. Every time you come home from outside, and also often within the home.

    Study seems to indicate it can last up to three hours in the air.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-lifespan-on-surfaces-graphic-2020-3?r=US&IR=T


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