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CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) *Read OP*

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  • #6422
    amadangomor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭amadangomor


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Ok but the figures you quoted, the negative tests would not have picked up anybody that had it and recovered. Over 2k could have it on that boat and we will never know. I'm just saying only 20% getting it seems a bit on the small scale. I'm just looking for reasons to be positive.

    Doctor thought it was a waste of time to test me as I had mild symptoms for 2 weeks. I would show up as negative as I would not be shedding the virus at that stage.


  • #6423
    mikeoc85
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 134 ✭✭mikeoc85


    gozunda wrote: »
    A lot of reports of same sympton on this thread.

    Yet doesn't seem to be listed as a Covid-19 symptom...

    Really? I’ve never had this before. I know there’s no point in getting tested as my symptoms are so minor I’d likely not even get called


  • #6424
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Are the UK going to pay up to 80% of people's wages?

    Dafuq they going to afford that!? Less burdens on the state pension?


  • #6425
    paddythere
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 439 ✭✭paddythere


    Strazdas wrote: »
    Theoretically, though there seems to be some debate as to how high the risk is in that scenario. If it was ultra contagious, millions or even tens of millions would already have the virus.
    From what i've read on it- if you are close to someone who has it and they sneeze openly there is a good chance you will get it. If they sneeze in a particular area it can survive in the air for up to an hour- meaning you could walk through a supermarket aisle an hour after that person and still catch it


  • #6426
    Level 42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭Level 42


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Why do they wear them in hospitals then!?

    They are proper masks and put on properly not like the pound shop ones


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  • #6427
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Strazdas wrote: »
    Not necessarily 'casual' contact though. Working alongside someone, being in a hospital or nursing home, living with someone.....all these count as community transmission.

    No they dont, they count as local transmission. During contact tracing anyone known to have spent any time around the person is told to self isolate, and may be tested. A community transmission means none of the known persons the infected person spent any time around had the infection, and so it was most likely a casual interaction with a stranger


  • #6428
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    Turtwig wrote: »
    Dafuq they going to afford that!? Less burdens on the state pension?

    Ah sure people were saying Boris was putting the economy first. Now he is paying peoples wages. They still will complain. Un winnable.

    Leo will give you the dole and a 100 on top if you have the virus. Who are the real Tories here


  • #6429
    babybuilder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,111 ✭✭✭babybuilder


    Three times more contagious than flu according to the CDC.


  • #6430
    Westernyelp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,410 ✭✭✭Westernyelp


    Cee-Jay-Cee wrote:
    14 year old do not behave like 14 year olds did 20 or 30 years ago. They have no fear or respect for anyone. A good hard thump would do many of them the world of good just to let them know that they are not in charge, that on their own they are mainly pathetic little weak pricks and that they have a lot of growing up to do.


    Jaysus. You need to self isolate pronto.


  • #6431
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    amadangomor wrote: »
    I thought community was when there was no known reason.

    My understanding of it is that it simply means transmission from person to person within a community (in this case Ireland) and has not come from outside that community.


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  • #6432
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,385 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Looking beyond the short or even medium term.
    How do we exit from the crisis.

    This BBC article looks at this question.

    I think periods of interrupted intervention followed by lifting, to allow immunity to accumulate in the population whilst also keeping the curve low is our best bet until a vaccine is available, probably late next year.

    BBC News - Coronavirus: When will the outbreak end and life get back to normal?
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51963486


  • #6433
    skimpydoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,074 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    Earlier today I published an Irish Tech News podcast about mental health. It is very apt for the times we are living in at the moment. https://irishtechnews.ie/dublin-tech-talks-mental-health-podcast/


  • #6434
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,137 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    amadangomor wrote: »
    Doctor thought it was a waste of time to test me as I had mild symptoms for 2 weeks. I would show up as negative as I would not be shedding the virus at that stage.

    I'm about just talking about the cruise ship. Everyone on board was tested several times.


  • #6435
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    amadangomor wrote: »
    What doesn't? Tightness in the chest is definitely a symptom ie an infection in the chest.

    Not according to the hse it isn't - they detail general 'breathing difficulties' - not 'tightness of the chest' as specifically called out by several posters.

    https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/symptoms-causes-treatment.html

    'Infection' can only be medically diagnosed btw ...


  • #6436
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    amadangomor wrote: »
    I thought community was when there was no known reason.

    Yes he is confusing community and local transmission. Catching from co workers,friends, family, is a local transmission not a community one. 20% of the infected people in Ireland have no known link to any known infected people, meaning there are a lot of unknown infected people in the community.


  • #6437
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    https://twitter.com/JLaytonTV/status/1241020208376156160


  • #6438
    Xertz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,069 ✭✭✭Xertz


    I'm just wondering what the exit strategy is for this? Or if we even have one?
    I mean realistically, we can't just have the whole planet in lock down for years. It's not feasible.

    Will it go away if we lock down and it just has no opportunity to spread for a while and it 'burns out' ?

    Or, will it just come back again when we relax?

    Seems like a drug and vaccine solution is the only way out.


  • #6439
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    wakka12 wrote: »
    No they dont, they count as local transmission. During contact tracing anyone known to have spent any time around the person is told to self isolate, and may be tested. A community transmission means none of the known persons the infected person spent any time around had the infection, and so it was most likely a casual interaction with a stranger

    Oh right, I see the difference here : in this case then, 'community' refers to Ireland and 'local' to immediate locality and environs.


  • #6440
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,243 ✭✭✭MOR316


    Level 42 wrote: »
    Wearing masks is ridiculous unless your working in a hospital

    I've got one of those face clown/skeleton bandanas. Bought it for a laugh about 10 years ago.

    Might dig it out


  • #6441
    Jenbach110
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 154 ✭✭Jenbach110


    Seamai wrote: »
    When I was 14 I had the **** kicked out of me on a daily basis by pr*icks like this for being the class fag and never once hit back.

    I blame the parents, and before you ask no I don't have kids myself so what would I know? oh wait a minute, I actually was one once and it wasn't so great.

    Wow just wow yourself.

    Im sorry whats happened to you.

    But it doesnt justify elbowing a 14 year old into the stomach.

    If that can be justified so can physical abuse


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  • #6442
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    paddythere wrote: »
    From what i've read on it- if you are close to someone who has it and they sneeze openly there is a good chance you will get it. If they sneeze in a particular area it can survive in the air for up to an hour- meaning you could walk through a supermarket aisle an hour after that person and still catch it

    that would only be true if it was "airborne". all the evidence we have is that this is spread by droplets of mucus/saliva which fall by gravity very quickly. two very different modes of transmission.


  • #6443
    expectationlost
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,475 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Strazdas wrote: »
    Oh right, I see the difference here : in this case then, 'community' refers to Ireland and 'local' to immediate locality and environs.
    local is local (as opposed to travel from abroad) and a known source, community is local and unknown source.


  • #6444
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,385 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Xertz wrote: »
    I'm just wondering what the exit strategy is for this? Or if we even have one?
    I mean realistically, we can't just have the whole planet in lock down for years. It's not feasible.

    Will it go away if we lock down and it just has no opportunity to spread for a while and it 'burns out' ?

    Or, will it just come back again when we relax?

    Seems like a drug and vaccine solution is the only way out.

    Was just thinking the same thing.
    See my post a few posts up with a link to this BBC article.

    BBC News - Coronavirus: When will the outbreak end and life get back to normal?
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51963486


  • #6445
    giveitholly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,219 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    Andrew00 wrote: »
    Hi my name is Paschkill Donothue

    Really,is there any need for this crap,my young son has a lisp and I hate this **** from grown adults,is this the world I have to bring him up in?


  • #6446
    amadangomor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭amadangomor


    gozunda wrote: »
    Not according to the hse it isn't - they detail general 'breathing difficulties' - not 'tightness of the chest' as specifically called out by several posters.

    https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/symptoms-causes-treatment.html

    'Infection' can only be medically diagnosed btw ...

    I have been diagnosed with a chest infection, cause unknown. Could be bacterial or Corvid-19. I have tightness in my chest, pain when I breathe deeply and shortness of breath.


  • #6447
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,385 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    froog wrote: »
    that would only be true if it was "airborne". all the evidence we have is that this is spread by droplets of mucus/saliva which fall by gravity very quickly. two very different modes of transmission.

    I think it's a bit in between.

    Not freely airborne, but can exist in smaller droplets that float around longer than larger droplets.

    It's the 2 day plus on fomites that concerns me, so hence the wash your hands. Every time you come home from outside, and also often within the home.


  • #6448
    skimpydoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,074 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    gozunda wrote: »
    Not according to the hse it isn't - they detail general 'breathing difficulties' - not 'tightness of the chest' as specifically called out by several posters.

    https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/symptoms-causes-treatment.html

    'Infection' can only be medically diagnosed btw ...
    in America, tightness of the chest is one of the recognised symptoms.


  • #6449
    expectationlost
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,475 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    froog wrote: »
    that would only be true if it was "airborne". all the evidence we have is that this is spread by droplets of mucus/saliva which fall by gravity very quickly. two very different modes of transmission.
    wonder what the definition of airborne is


    one study suggest this virus may be airborne https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/18/coronavirus-lives-for-hours-in-air-particles-and-days-on-surfaces-new-us-study-shows.html


  • #6450
    joe_99
    Closed Accounts Posts: 763 ✭✭✭joe_99


    Turtwig wrote: »
    Dafuq they going to afford that!? Less burdens on the state pension?

    Just print money. No borrowing needed. Inflation not an issue at the moment


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  • #6451
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    expectationlost wrote: »
    local is local (as opposed to travel from abroad) and a known source, community is local and unknown source.

    A lot of semantics here though. Arguably 'local' and 'community' are the exact same thing :

    ..... has defined “local” as transmission through known, local community contacts, and different from the larger community, where a link could not be established with an individual known to be infected. This differentiation between local and community transmission is misleading, given that locals with whom an individual is in contact are in turn a part of a larger community with their own sets of contacts. Moreover, there does not appear to be any need for this debate, considering that the WHO has only two criteria for the modes of transmission prevalent in a country—imported cases or local transmission


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