CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) *Read OP*

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

Why?

Sometimes the Germans are just better at stuff than other nations...

I know that's not a very concrete conclusion, and a bit of a sweeping generalisation... but they kind of just are very efficient and organised as a group of people. And they tend to approach things differently to most of the countries around them!

I'd love to know more details about how exactly they're tackling it. My guess is that they must have put in place some very strict measures, and to a man (and woman) they are probably rigidly following those protocols!

As said in previous posts, what is very strange is the number of critical cases they are reporting. 2 out of 13,486 active cases.

This doesn't stack-up with the data we have about the proportion of contaminated people requiring critical care. And there is a bottom floor for that proportion which doesn't depend on the performance of the country's healthcare system. Many people just need critical care naturally because the virus is attacking their lungs, not because of a failure of the health system. Only having 2 patients out of 13,486 in that situation just doesn't seem make sense regardless of the performance of the health system.

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

Why?

Sometimes the Germans are just better at stuff than other nations...

They certainly like to think so, in my experience.

I know that's not a very concrete conclusion, and a bit of a sweeping generalisation... but they kind of just are very efficient and organised as a group of people. And they tend to approach things differently to most of the countries around them!

I'd love to know more details about how exactly they're tackling it. My guess is that they must have put in place some very strict measures, and to a man (and woman) they are probably rigidly following those protocols!

Some differences between Germany and Italy might be:-
- wider geographic spread of cases in Germany?
- less aged population
- cultural differences in social interaction with other people
- and obviously the fact that Italy was hit first

Though if Germany is very different from Netherlands or Denmark say, then maybe there is something else going on with the figures.

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

I'd love to know more details about how exactly they're tackling it. My guess is that they must have put in place some very strict measures, and to a man (and woman) they are probably rigidly following those protocols!

There are some strict enough measures here in Bavaria at least. But it differs from State to State. And in fact in some states because of how it works there, it is hard for the State Leaders to implement rules/laws that apply to the whole state. It often falls to the local "Landkreis" or even individual town mayors to implement stuff.

As for following the protocols it seems not so much. So many people are flouting the social distancing rules here in Bavaria in fact that the Bavarian Leader has had to come back on the media all over again and threaten a full lock down including curfews if people don't cop the F on.

Meanwhile over in Berlin a part in the park of 100 youths had to be broken up celebrating the schools being closed. One of them moaning they have to have fun somehow. But even after the police broke them up, the apparently reformed in other areas of Berlin later on.

Could not tell you why this country is only reporting 2 severe cases. I just do not have the data or knowledge to answer it yet. Though I am curious to look into it myself. Hell I do not even know if the criteria to be CALLED "critical" differs here compared to Ireland and the UK??? It may well be that there are loads more, but we just classify it differently here.

If I find out more I will of course post it, but right now short on time. It does seem dumb ass to lie too much about the figures however because if they look TOO GOOD then the eyes of the world are gonna come here asking how we are doing it so they can do it too. And under that level of scrutiny, lies will get uncovered very quickly.

Meanwhile they have announced a 40billion package to help small businesses and Freelancers here. Hope it actually helps. I really am thaking my privilege that I happen to be in the right job at the right time and so far SEEM to be protected from the effects of job losses, drops in business, and home working (been working from home since last May, so no change for me).

silverharp wrote: »

one factor possibly is that Germans don't culturally like bringing their temperatures down with drugs. The average German wouldn't even consider taking otc fever reducing pills

Over here quite often you can not even GET such things "otc". Most things including Paracetamol have to be purchases in a Pharmacy or "apotheke". I usually buy Lempsips when I am home in Ireland to bring here, just because getting the local equivalent is such a pain in the arse.

Germany has 13,632 cases and 33 deaths, the earlier stats are pure rubbish. the fatality rate there is .2%, still lower than Irelands .5% but not hugely.

SuspectZero wrote: »

Germany has 13,632 cases and 33 deaths, them earlier stats are pure rubbish. the fatality rate there is .2%, still lower than Irelands .5% but not hugely.

See how close Ireland is to .5% when we have 13,632 confirmed cases, nevermind .2%...

cnocbui wrote: »

Possibly in a previous edition of this thread, someone posted an age distribution of positive cases in Germany and they were on average, decades younger than in Italy, with relatively few people in the 70+ age bracket getting it. If that age distribution was correct, it is more than enough to explain the low death rate, but of course begs the question of why such a huge difference in age distribution?

Similar trend here, with only 15% of cases occurring in over-65s, so in theory, most patients should be able to recover at home.

MOR316 wrote: »

I done ordinary English for my JC

never have guessed....

expectationlost wrote: »

this is interesting NYT health correspondent talking about how Chinese separated suspect cases from families and sent them to fever clinics so they couldn't infect their families https://twitter.com/MikeIsaac/status/1238604080571772928 (excuse the Maddow)

Not gonna excuse the Maddow but ...

It's an extremely serious point. If we want to take this seriously we do need something like 'coronavirus hotels' where people can isolate outside of family homes. The number of households I'm aware of that are multi-generational is large, what should be in place is somewhere safe, warm, monitored and provided for that a person who tests positive can stay at zero (or very low cost) at a moments notice if they are worried about having to isolate in their household.

I can't find the source, but one Chinese study suggested 80% of transmissions were household transmissions.

davedanon wrote: »

I meant if you don't have it, or at least have no symptoms. If the poster has symptoms and I got hold of the wrong end of the stick, apols.

No worries. I was not having a go at you. Someone said it only bothered them out walking... Eeek!!
Stay healthy!

Mervyn Skidmore wrote: »

This is excellent news if true.

He's on first for a good 25m - as usual on this very much in command of his brief. https://www.rte.ie/radio/radioplayer/html5/#/radio1/11168144

Sawduck wrote: »

Have been getting pains in my lungs for the past 2 days, also have sore throat and runny nose, I don't think these are symptoms of the virus but I'm going to self isolation regardless, some might say I'm over reacting but I don't care. Town looks a lot quieter too I'm wondering if others around here are doing the same

You should phone your GP.
https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/coronavirus.html

humberklog wrote: »

The problem I have in thinking the German's are fiddling the mortality figures is that it would near on impossible to keep it a secret.
Even if the authorities were marking an elderly cancer patient 's death (for e.g) down as cancer when he died whilst having the virus there would surely be a whistle blower from the 800,00+ medical service people in the state and that's not even including the families of the dead.

Don't get me wrong, there's an anomaly in Germany's figures but I can't see how such a large country with a massive public service with a very open media could keep a cap on number diddling.

If in Italy someone has the coronavirus and they die they are assumed to have died of it. Its not necessarily number fiddling. Its just how the classify things.

The other thing worth noting is that I believe the German number of cases a lot more than the Italian or Spanish number of cases. Again I'm not saying anyone is fiddling just Spain and Italy are a little too overwhelmed to do contact tracing or community testing while it continues on in Germany.

SophieLockhart wrote: »

never have guessed....

Never would have guessed, Sophie.

Hope you don't belittle your children like that

Cw85 wrote: »

In bed dying with tonsillitis, worst thing is that all the symptoms are nearly the same as the virus. I get tonsillitis however every three months so knew what was coming

Are you sure its tonsillitis? You probably should isolate as a precaution until you know for sure.