CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) Read OP

Bob24 · 19-03-2020 01:18PM

iguana wrote: »

Germany's figures are so utterly weird. 13,486 active cases. 2 serious/critical. 2!!!

There is indeed something very strange about these numbers. I can't explain them and I tend to believe they shouldn't be taken at face value.

Cork Boy 53 · 19-03-2020 01:18PM

Drumpot wrote: »

This should go in “positive things” about the virus. Well done store manager and checkout person, there’s no need for them to take that crap.

Actually considering what we are facing here he should have been told the Gardai would be called.

imokyrok · 19-03-2020 01:19PM

dublin99 wrote: »

A second dog has tested positive for coronavirus in Hong Kong. It is a German shepherd whose owner was also a confirmed case.

The first dog that was diagnosed, a 17 year pomeranian, died earlier on this week.

That's an elderly dog so it's not surprising an illness would have weakened it to the point of death. My two little 9 year old JRs are my shadows and would howl uncontrollably if I tried to keep them from my bed if I were sick. Difficult to manage that situation.

is_that_so · 19-03-2020 01:19PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I think the testing here needs to be stepped up, more tested even without symptoms

Between 10,000 and 15,000 people are now due to be tested on a daily basis, so said Harris on radio this morning, think it was on SOR.

BarryD2 · 19-03-2020 01:19PM

Loughc wrote: »

Gives student trial run at a government exam sitting.

Helps sort the students into Honours and Ordinary levels for Leaving Cert.

Without it first 3 years become redundant and a waste.

If the first 3 years of second level education become redundant and a waste if there is no Junior Cert., then you'd have to conclude that this part of the education system is completely dysfunctional. Education is not all about exams.......

branie2 · 19-03-2020 01:20PM

RIP to the victim in the North

BluePlanet · 19-03-2020 01:20PM

In fairness Trump admin does deserve blame.

Both US and S Korea discovered their first positive test on the same day.
But look at the different trajectories both have made since.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-testing-specialrep/special-report-how-korea-trounced-u-s-in-race-to-test-people-for-coronavirus-idUSKBN2153BW?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=twitter

Cork Boy 53 · 19-03-2020 01:20PM

Jurgen Klopp wrote: »

Didn't someone say that Germany are being a economical with the figures tho. Such as deaths which had the virus and an underlying condition not being recorded as a covid death

Plenty have stated that. I would be inclined to believe it.

Bob24 · 19-03-2020 01:20PM

BLIZZARD7 wrote: »

What are Germany at? Covering up deaths by attributing them to underlying illness? I can't see the point in doing this.

Or are they just putting down Pneumonia as the cause of death for all Covid-19 cases?

As much as I want to believe that they are having much better success in treating this I just don't...

Agree. Plus even if their ICUs are better at treating critical cases (they do have more ICU beds than most European countries), those critical cases should still show up in the stats. There is something clearly inconsistent with the figures IMO.

madcabbage · 19-03-2020 01:20PM

Bob24 wrote: »

There is indeed something very strange about these numbers. I can't explain them and I tend to believe they shouldn't be taken at face value.

Maybe Germany is just doing a very good job so far. Sure look at our stats, 2 dead and and 366 cases, we'll be doing very well if that death count stays in single digits.

josip · 19-03-2020 01:22PM

dublin99 wrote: »

A second dog has tested positive for coronavirus in Hong Kong. It is a German shepherd whose owner was also a confirmed case.

The first dog that was diagnosed, a 17 year pomeranian, died earlier on this week.

Even with the poor doggies it's the older ones at risk.
Was the pom a 'he' and did it smoke also?

Bob24 · 19-03-2020 01:23PM

madcabbage wrote: »

Maybe Germany is just doing a very good job so far. Sure look at our stats, 2 dead and and 366 cases, we'll be doing very well if that death count stays in single digits.

What doesn't add-up to me is the even if they are doing a better job at handling critical cases, they should still see those critical case (except they would end up cured rather than dead). But there are very few in the figures we have.

regedit · 19-03-2020 01:23PM

Drumpot wrote: »

This should go in “positive things” about the virus. Well done store manager and checkout person, there’s no need for them to take that crap.

This should be in the news. Not to stigmatise the family but just to reinforce teh need for physical distancing which may save a few lives. Everyone deals with stress differently so, who knows how that guy handled it...

wakka12 · 19-03-2020 01:23PM

madcabbage wrote: »

Maybe Germany is just doing a very good job so far. Sure look at our stats, 2 dead and and 366 cases, we'll be doing very well if that death count stays in single digits.

Its nothing to do with doing well, 2 patients out of 13,000+ presenting in a serious condition would put it at about ten times milder a disease than seasonal flu. Its just impossible

caveat emptor · 19-03-2020 01:24PM

jamesf85 wrote: »

This is really something.

I wonder, and this is just me thinking out loud, but does the fact that we are from a colder climate help? Are our immune systems better at handling cold and flus?

Generally the worst flu outbreaks are after mild winters?

The German numbers are both astonishing and comforting. I’d question them but it makes no sense for any EU country to skew their numbers, it could only serve more harm than good to your economy. I know they only count true covid19 cases as the reason of death, but maybe that’s more accurate anyway.

Yes you may be on to something.......
Maybe the Chineses and the Eyetalians are just weaker, genetically speaking of course.
Yes I believe you've stumbled across a theory........Racism.

owlbethere · 19-03-2020 01:24PM

jamesf85 wrote: »

This is really something.

I wonder, and this is just me thinking out loud, but does the fact that we are from a colder climate help? Are our immune systems better at handling cold and flus?

Generally the worst flu outbreaks are after mild winters?

The German numbers are both astonishing and comforting. I’d question them but it makes no sense for any EU country to skew their numbers, it could only serve more harm than good to your economy. I know they only count true covid19 cases as the reason of death, but maybe that’s more accurate anyway.

More than likely The German government/establishment would like to keep some sort of stability to the Euro currency. If they turn out to be like Italy and Spain, the currency would crash for sure.

New Home · 19-03-2020 01:24PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I thought animals could not get

imokyrok wrote: »

That's an elderly dog so it's not surprising an illness would have weakened it to the point of death. My two little 9 year old JRs are my shadows and would howl uncontrollably if I tried to keep them from my bed if I were sick. Difficult to manage that situation.

What's scary isn't that it's an elderly dog that got it, but that it's a dog. It means the virus has jumped species again.

owlbethere · 19-03-2020 01:26PM

BLIZZARD7 wrote: »

What are Germany at? Covering up deaths by attributing them to underlying illness? I can't see the point in doing this.

Or are they just putting down Pneumonia as the cause of death for all Covid-19 cases?

As much as I want to believe that they are having much better success in treating this I just don't...

They probably want to keep stability in the Euro currency.

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! · 19-03-2020 01:27PM

Bob24 wrote: »

There is indeed something very strange about these numbers. I can't explain them and I tend to believe they shouldn't be taken at face value.

Why?

Sometimes the Germans are just better at stuff than other nations...

I know that's not a very concrete conclusion, and a bit of a sweeping generalisation... but they kind of just are very efficient and organised as a group of people. And they tend to approach things differently to most of the countries around them!

I'd love to know more details about how exactly they're tackling it. My guess is that they must have put in place some very strict measures, and to a man (and woman) they are probably rigidly following those protocols!

An Ciarraioch · 19-03-2020 01:29PM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

Why?

Sometimes the Germans are just better at stuff than other nations...

I know that's not a very concrete conclusion, and a bit of a sweeping generalisation... but they kind of just are very efficient and organised as a group of people. And they tend to approach things differently to most of the countries around them!

I'd love to know more details about how exactly they're tackling it. My guess is that they must have put in place some very strict measures, and to a man (and woman) they are probably rigidly following those protocols!

Similarly, the mortality rate in Norway and Sweden is negligible.

Bannasidhe · 19-03-2020 01:29PM

dublin99 wrote: »

A second dog has tested positive for coronavirus in Hong Kong. It is a German shepherd whose owner was also a confirmed case.

The first dog that was diagnosed, a 17 year pomeranian, died earlier on this week.

The GSD tested positive weeks ago, the Pom tested clear of the virus twice before it was left home - it's initial positive test was classified as 'weak' and believed to have been the result of it's infected owner kissing it.
The dog was 17 years old, had many conditions, and the owner refused an autopsy so actual cause of death is unknown.

Please don't scaremonger. Vets -in Ireland! - are already reporting people are requesting perfectly healthy dogs be PTS 'in case' they get the virus, and rescues are reporting a notable increase in 'stray' dogs which they suspect have been abandoned out of fear they can get the virus.

The HK government made this statement on 4th March - when both dogs were under quarantine.

The spokesman emphasised that there is currently no evidence that pet animals can be a source of infection of COVID-19 or that they become sick. Apart from maintaining good hygiene practices, pet owners need not be overly concerned and under no circumstances should they abandon their pets.

https://www.info.gov.hk/gia/general/202003/04/P2020030400658.htm

branie2 · 19-03-2020 01:29PM

Jurgen Klopp wrote: »

Un****in believable

That post is gone now, thankfully

expectationlost · 19-03-2020 01:29PM

this is interesting NYT health correspondent talking about how Chinese separated suspect cases from families and sent them to fever clinics so they couldn't infect their families https://twitter.com/MikeIsaac/status/1238604080571772928 (excuse the Maddow)

AndyBoBandy · 19-03-2020 01:30PM

Fair play to Aldi.

I think they are correct in saying the grocery sector should be added to the list of critical/frontline services, along with supply chain, ports & farming/agri.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0319/1124141-aldi-ask-government-to-add-key-status-to-grocery-sector/

And also fair play to them for this;

Group Buying Director of Aldi, John Curtin, said that the company will be increasing its workforce to meet demands.

He added that it will target workers laid off so far as a result of recent closures and will work with the Restaurants Association, Hotels Federation and Retail Groups in order to offer "opportunities to those who need work during this time of crisis".

cnocbui · 19-03-2020 01:32PM

iguana wrote: »

Germany's figures are so utterly weird. 13,486 active cases. 2 serious/critical. 2!!!

Possibly in a previous edition of this thread, someone posted an age distribution of positive cases in Germany and they were on average, decades younger than in Italy, with relatively few people in the 70+ age bracket getting it. If that age distribution was correct, it is more than enough to explain the low death rate, but of course begs the question of why such a huge difference in age distribution?

humberklog · 19-03-2020 01:32PM

The problem I have in thinking the German's are fiddling the mortality figures is that it would near on impossible to keep it a secret.
Even if the authorities were marking an elderly cancer patient 's death (for e.g) down as cancer when he died whilst having the virus there would surely be a whistle blower from the 800,00+ medical service people in the state and that's not even including the families of the dead.

Don't get me wrong, there's an anomaly in Germany's figures but I can't see how such a large country with a massive public service with a very open media could keep a cap on number diddling.

Sittingpretty · 19-03-2020 01:32PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Yes you may be on to something.......
Maybe the Chineses and the Eyetalians are just weaker, genetically speaking of course.
Yes I believe you've stumbled across a theory........Racism.

What an absolutely ridiculous accusation.

The back biting and infighting in this thread, at a time like this when we should all be pulling together for the greater good, is a very sad indictment of our society as a whole.

kevcos · 19-03-2020 01:33PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Yes you may be on to something.......
Maybe the Chineses and the Eyetalians are just weaker, genetically speaking of course.
Yes I believe you've stumbled across a theory........Racism.

Christ, put a sock in it princess.

Bob24 · 19-03-2020 01:33PM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

Why?

Sometimes the Germans are just better at stuff than other nations...

I know that's not a very concrete conclusion, and a bit of a sweeping generalisation... but they kind of just are very efficient and organised as a group of people. And they tend to approach things differently to most of the countries around them!

I'd love to know more details about how exactly they're tackling it. My guess is that they must have put in place some very strict measures, and to a man (and woman) they are probably rigidly following those protocols!

As said in previous posts, what is very strange is the number of critical cases they are reporting. 2 out of 13,486 active cases.

This doesn't stack-up with the data we have about the proportion of contaminated people requiring critical care. And there is a bottom floor for that proportion which doesn't depend on the performance of the country's healthcare system. Many people just need critical care naturally because the virus is attacking their lungs, not because of a failure of the health system. Only having 2 patients out of 13,486 in that situation just doesn't seem make sense regardless of the performance of the health system.

begbysback · 19-03-2020 01:36PM

A very important stat is missing to make a conclusion, that is deaths per day, year on year

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CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) Read OP