CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) Read OP

Blueshoe · 19-03-2020 12:12PM

Boggles wrote: »

But a large orange man told me the flu was worse.

Developing situation. Governments and health agencies are changing opinion on a daily basis. That two week old tweet is irrelevant.
I have family in New York. All working from home, bars and restaurants closed. No different to Ireland. Look at how much has changed herein two weeks

Low blow post

Tony EH · 19-03-2020 12:12PM

Blueshoe wrote: »

Mortgages are to be frozen. You will receive money from the government if you are made redundant.
You will only need money for groceries. Nothing else. No holidays , no new wardrobe, no house renovations. Not necessary during this time . If you have a sky subscription that's on you. Phone, electricity bills etc are also in you. That's life.
The vast majority are still working.
You can panic if you wish. It won't do you any good. I choose to stay calm. Peace

Right, you seem incapable of understanding what's being said to you, So I'll leave you there.

Cilldara_2000 · 19-03-2020 12:13PM

gabeeg wrote: »

That was me with the inflation jabber. I agree a bit of inflation is good, but I think we'll see quite a lot. I think you can probably tell from my language there that I'm no expert, but few countries if any have enough cash set aside to reduce economic output by so much and not have to print serious amounts in order to keep afloat.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying this is the weimar republic all over again

Why will we see quite a lot? What's different with the currently planned QE compared to the QE that's been going for the last number of years which has had no impact whatsoever on inflation?

Boggles · 19-03-2020 12:13PM

Blueshoe wrote: »

Developing situation. Governments and health agencies are changing opinion on a daily basis. That two week old tweet is irrelevant.
I have family in New York. All working from home, bars and restaurants closed. No different to Ireland.

Low blow post

The tweet is 10 days old.

It sums him up completely as the dotard he is.

:rolleyes:

Gonzo · 19-03-2020 12:13PM

BluePlanet wrote: »

I'm in Spain and went to the local store to queue up with others this morning.
We are allowed to go out for groceries, meds and dog walking.

yep you are only allowed to go shopping, for medication and dog walking. Anyone who is going outside just for a walk or other forms of exercise is stopped and told to return home immediately.

Blueshoe · 19-03-2020 12:13PM

Tony EH wrote: »

Right, you seem incapable of understanding what's being said to you, So I'll leave you there.

And you seem to be in such a state of panic that all logic and reason has left you.

Wibbs · 19-03-2020 12:14PM

wakka12 wrote: »

One of the most haunting images of this entire ordeal

Or it could just be an army convoy. I'm sure I could head down to the Curragh and wait around for a few army trucks to pass me by and take a picture. It wouldn't mean they're now working as hearses. I'm very suspicious of social media images that aren't backed up by official sources.

Jurgen Klopp · 19-03-2020 12:14PM

Jin luk wrote: »

If it goes onto were we cant keep stuff frozen then id say we will just have to except a high number dying and just get on with life

Now, I know people say that's awful etc but frankly it does raise the possibility however uncomfortable it is for most of us to even think.

Let's say the likes of China who appear to have it controlled start to spike again and require more lockdowns, showing this current situation here and other countries may need to go on for upto 2 years I think experts were saying assuming no vaccines or good treatment is found.

Is it realistic to think these measures will be able to be continued that long? I mean socially and mentally as well as economically?

People will say oh people will do whatever is needed to best this. But I honestly didn't think we'd see the level of selfish people cleaning out shops, packing pubs etc

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if a good chunk of the population started going stir mad to "let things take it's course"

Lord TSC · 19-03-2020 12:14PM

So, just got an email from Aer Lingus about a London flight I had booked for next week.

They've offered me two options. Reschedule my flight for no fee, or a voucher for the full price of the flights + an additional 10%.

Now, the voucher seems great initially; I had worried we were going to have to write off that expense. But I'm also aware that if they're offering that deal now....is it worth it to take it, or is it in my own self-interest to hang on a few more days and seek a full refund? Is there a chance they'll have to do that? If London gets locked down, if the flights are cancelled, then they'd have to refund, right?

Feels like this voucher offer is their attempt to lock down people's money before that all happens. But the issue with a voucher (and a reschedule) is that I've no idea when it's going to be useful. Will this be over this summer? Or will it be next before I could even use any voucher? Will Aer Lingus even be a thing next summer, as depressing a thought as that is, if the airline industry crashes down?

Bob24 · 19-03-2020 12:14PM

Cuckoo7 wrote: »

In France they do.
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-france-requires-form-leave-house-walk-shopping-2020-3?r=US&IR=T

Yes but I'm not sure the way it was done in France is a good thing. I know people in France who (I think) haven't yet fully grasped how serious the situation is, and they basically see that self-declaration thing as a licence to go out.

I.e. as long as they print the form and thick the box saying they are going out to exercise in the neighbourhood (it is one of the options) they feel like there is no problem to go out. It has became more of an administrative measure than a public health measure to them.

Tony EH · 19-03-2020 12:15PM

farmchoice wrote: »

i cannot understand where the government are getting their projection from.
at present the rate per million in Italy is 521 if it got that bad in ireland it would give us a total of approx 2500.
if we assumed that all those cases were just in the lombardy region and applied that rate to Ireland then we would hit 9400 infections, this would be a worst case scenario seen no where in the world, yet our crowd keep banging on about 15,000 by the end of the month. i cannot find any justification for that figure.

i dont have any axe to grind here perhaps im just missing something.

It's a worst case projection designed to shock people into understanding that this is no joke.

caveat emptor · 19-03-2020 12:15PM

voluntary wrote: »

https://twitter.com/tancredipalmeri/status/1240414011608444929?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1240414011608444929&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fpublish.twitter.com%2F%3Fquery%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Ftwitter.com%252Ftancredipalmeri%252Fstatus%252F1240414011608444929%26widget%3DTweet

Seriously what I'm hearing on here this morning.

Yeah but what I'd like to know. Who is going to pay for all those soldiers and trucks and diesel. Money doesn't grow on trees. We can let a few corpses get in the way of daily commerce.

If people are angry cause they got made redundant they should be angry at the government for not putting in place measures to get through this.

As someone said it's an existential threat and we need to do everything we can to face it. This is a national security threat.

Trump invoking the defense production act is an example of kinds of extrordinary measures needed to face this. Don't like the man or his politics but that's a powerful example of what need's to happen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_Production_Act

klose · 19-03-2020 12:15PM

farmchoice wrote: »

i cannot understand where the government are getting their projection from.
at present the rate per million in Italy is 521 if it got that bad in ireland it would give us a total of approx 2500.
if we assumed that all those cases were just in the lombardy region and applied that rate to Ireland then we would hit 9400 infections, this would be a worst case scenario seen no where in the world, yet our crowd keep banging on about 15,000 by the end of the month. i cannot find any justification for that figure.

i dont have any axe to grind here perhaps im just missing something.

Won't comment on the maths side of things but surely the government will (rightly) err on the side of caution and project the worse case scenario? If they predicted 9k by the end of the month instead of 15k and we do end up on 15k you'll have a sh!tshow of people calling them liars, hiding info etc....

wakka12 · 19-03-2020 12:15PM

Wibbs wrote: »

Or it could just be an army convoy. I'm sure I could head down to the Curragh and wait around for a few army trucks to pass me by and take a picture. It wouldn't mean they're now working as hearses. I'm very suspicious of social media images that aren't backed up by official sources.

No it was confirmed .
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-italian-army-called-in-to-carry-away-corpses-as-citys-crematorium-is-overwhelmed-11959994

mick987 · 19-03-2020 12:16PM

iwillyeah1234 wrote: »

This also backs up the Korean policy of mass testing , and ultra-transparent messaging.

Under South Korean law, a Corona case will have their movements released to Korean social media apps by the government. ( they use various tools, such as mobile GPS records, bank ATM withdrawals, transport etc - the data is anonymised , but everyone is alerted to the cases previous movements)

Meanwhile over the UK currently ( from the BBC) - "the UK is not currently doing any mass surveillance testing or actively tracing people who have come into contact with known cases"

Instead, "At the moment only people in hospital are being routinely tested, so if you have symptoms and you are not sure if you have the virus, you may well never know."

The UK is a 2nd Italy just waiting to happen.

T

The CSO was at a meeting in Parliament and was ask the best and worst case case would be-
Best was 20000 dead
Worst was 250000-750000 dead
Thats about 4000- 50000 dead in london alone

caveat emptor · 19-03-2020 12:16PM

Lord TSC wrote: »

So, just got an email from Aer Lingus about a London flight I had booked for next week.

They've offered me two options. Reschedule my flight for no fee, or a voucher for the full price of the flights + an additional 10%.

Now, the voucher seems great initially; I had worried we were going to have to write off that expense. But I'm also aware that if they're offering that deal now....is it worth it to take it, or is it in my own self-interest to hang on a few more days and seek a full refund? Is there a chance they'll have to do that? If London gets locked down, if the flights are cancelled, then they'd have to refund, right?

Feels like this voucher offer is their attempt to lock down people's money before that all happens. But the issue with a voucher (and a reschedule) is that I've no idea when it's going to be useful. Will this be over this summer? Or will it be next before I could even use any voucher? Will Aer Lingus even be a thing next summer, as depressing a thought as that is, if the airline industry crashes down?

Worse case next spring. Best case end of summer. Your guess is as good as mine though.

Tony EH · 19-03-2020 12:16PM

Blueshoe wrote: »

And you seem to be in such a state of panic that all logic and reason has left you.

As I said, incapable of understanding what's being said to you.

10000maniacs · 19-03-2020 12:17PM

This happened in Bangladesh yesterday.

bilston · 19-03-2020 12:17PM

Gonzo wrote: »

yep you are only allowed to go shopping, for medication and dog walking. Anyone who is going outside just for a walk or other forms of exercise is stopped and told to return home immediately.

I hope we don't get to that point. I think people need to be able to go out for a walk for their own mental and physical health.

Obviously in cities it is maybe harder, but outside cities surely it's feasible.

Cuckoo7 · 19-03-2020 12:18PM

Gonzo wrote: »

yep you are only allowed to go shopping, for medication and dog walking. Anyone who is going outside just for a walk or other forms of exercise is stopped and told to return home immediately.

Like this guy walking a toy dog

https://cadenaser.com/emisora/2020/03/17/radio_palencia/1584433990_824841.html

scamalert · 19-03-2020 12:18PM

yes it will be the longer this crap drags out, take into account how many people due to closures of schools pubs restaurtans takeways in this country have to sign up on the dole. Any more shut downs means more people will need to sign up, as we didnt reach even peak of businesses that have 1000s people working in single factories.

then add the cripple that those not working need still to pay their bills, less being bought except retail in general.

theres no numbers how much it will costs for entire HSE re purposing.

if you think theres someone who will come out to say sure all this was needed and will be wiped clean with no debt attached your delirious. last week alone could seen couple hundred thousand people left uneployed, if you think state has funds to keep this going long enough - wait till ECB starts money machine to print extra billions for every country, which will drive euro value into ground, simple economics.

neonsofa · 19-03-2020 12:18PM

retro:electro wrote: »

I’ve a cold too but I’m self isolating anyway. I doubt it’s Covid as its not in my chest at all, I’m suffering more with sinus pain and congested nose but I’d be worried about catching corona on top of this while my defences are lowered. I’m more flummoxed at how I caught the blasted thing since I’ve been so top of the hygiene and sanitation

Im convinced that my increased cleaning/use of sanitizing products this past while has flared up my allergies and its giving me cold like symptoms. Which isnt helping my anxiety, cause every cough raises the slight "corona or allergy?" panic!

MipMap · 19-03-2020 12:18PM

deisedevil wrote: »

For most masks they don't trap the virus. The virus blows straight through the pores of the mask and out into the air. It doesn't get trapped in the mask at all.

Nonesense.

If it was even trying to trap the virus coming out you need to be infected by the virus first!
If you are infected you cannot SPIT as far with a mask on.
Put one on and try to lash a gollier at the wall and see what happens!!!

Every expert in the world agrees that wearing a mask stops you spreading the virus to others.

In terms of whether it protects you from droplets from others then they are saying it does not help much.

What I can tell you is I wore one in Enniscorthy yesterday and I was the only one. It certainly works to get people to steer clear of you!

Wait 2 weeks and everyone will be wearing them. The doctors and nusers in the hospitals don't do it for nothing!

Cilldara_2000 · 19-03-2020 12:19PM

bilston wrote: »

I hope we don't get to that point. I think people need to be able to go out for a walk for their own mental and physical health.

Obviously in cities it is maybe harder, but outside cities surely it's feasible.

Agree. I doubt very much that there's police outside homes in rural areas of Spain telling people to turn back in.

sheepsh4gger · 19-03-2020 12:19PM

John Hutton wrote: »

Lads, if a friend is showing symptoms from yesterday and I was around him on Monday do I need to self isolate, or do I only need to self isolate if I was around someone who is symptomatic?

You should stay home for 2 weeks.

Hamsterchops · 19-03-2020 12:19PM

Northern Ireland, 1st Covid-19 related death!

gabeeg · 19-03-2020 12:20PM

Cilldara_2000 wrote: »

Why will we see quite a lot? What's different with the currently planned QE compared to the QE that's been going for the last number of years which has had no impact whatsoever on inflation?

A fair question and one that I'm not able to offer much on other than, I think QE over the course of this crisis will have to be considerably more substantial than what we've seen since 2008, and the drop in economic output will dwarf 2008.

dummy_crusher · 19-03-2020 12:20PM

Blueshoe wrote: »

Developing situation. Governments and health agencies are changing opinion on a daily basis. That two week old tweet is irrelevant.
I have family in New York. All working from home, bars and restaurants closed. No different to Ireland. Look at how much has changed herein two weeks

Low blow post

March 4: “If we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work — some of them go to work, but they get better.”

March 5: “I NEVER said people that are feeling sick should go to work.”

March 6: Anybody right now, and yesterday, anybody that needs a test gets a test. They’re there. And the tests are beautiful…. the tests are all perfect like the letter was perfect. The transcription was perfect. Right? This was not as perfect as that but pretty good.”

March 6: “I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it… Every one of these doctors said, ‘How do you know so much about this?’ Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running for president.”

March 8: “We have a perfectly coordinated and fine tuned plan at the White House for our attack on coronavirus.”

March 9. "So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!"

March 13: "To this point, and because we have had a very strong border policy, we have had 40 deaths related to CoronaVirus. If we had weak or open borders, that number would be many times higher!"

March 13: "Today I am declaring a national emergency. Two very big words."

March 13. "No, I don't take responsibility at all. Because we were given a set of circumstances, given rules, regulations, and specifications from a different time. It wasn't meant for this kind of an event, with the kind of numbers that we are talking about."

March 16:"I give myself a 10 out of 10" (On handling Covid19 crisis)

March 17: “This is a pandemic,” Mr. Trump told reporters. “I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic.”

careless sherpa · 19-03-2020 12:20PM

Blueshoe wrote: »

Developing situation. Governments and health agencies are changing opinion on a daily basis. That two week old tweet is irrelevant.
I have family in New York. All working from home, bars and restaurants closed. No different to Ireland. Look at how much has changed herein two weeks

Low blow post

In his position he should have been waiting for more information without coming out with statements like that. Wouldn't expect anything better though

deisedevil · 19-03-2020 12:21PM

MipMap wrote: »

Nonesense.

If it was even trying to trap the virus coming out you need to be infected by the virus first!
If you are infected you cannot SPIT as far with a mask on.
Put one on and try to lash a gollier at the wall and see what happens!!!

Every expert in the world agrees that wearing a mask stops you spreading the virus to others.

In terms of whether it protects you from droplets from others then they are saying it does not help much.

What I can tell you is I wore one in Enniscorthy yesterday and I was the only one. It certainly works to get people to steer clear of you!

Wait 2 weeks and everyone will be wearing them. The doctors and nusers in the hospitals don't do it for nothing!

So any old mask at all will do the job then. Just throw a bit of cloth around your fave and your set then are you? I said MOST masks!

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