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CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) *Read OP*

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  • #1682
    This is it
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,103 ✭✭✭This is it


    Jin luk wrote: »
    But u need to sign a permit to say youre doing 1 of those things to leave the house no? Or is not in spain yet?

    You tell us, you're the one telling everyone where it is enforced apparently.


  • #1683
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    First death in Northern Ireland, in Belfast. Patient had underlying conditions.


  • #1684
    Cilldara_2000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,189 ✭✭✭Cilldara_2000


    BluePlanet wrote: »
    No.
    You need some sort of document from your employer if you're heading to work.

    Genuine question. What if you're the boss?


  • #1685
    PixelTrawler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,301 ✭✭✭PixelTrawler


    John Hutton wrote: »
    Lads, if a friend is showing symptoms from yesterday and I was around him on Monday do I need to self isolate, or do I only need to self isolate if I was around someone who is symptomatic?

    Ring your gp or the HSE for medical advice, would be best


  • #1686
    ZX7R
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    DOCARCH wrote: »
    According to SO'R (earlier) there is expected to be an announcement from the the Dept of Education later this morning. Possibly about extending school closures?

    That and the cancellation of exams probably


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  • #1687
    BluePlanet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,444 ✭✭✭BluePlanet


    Cilldara_2000 wrote: »
    Genuine question. What if you're the boss?
    Probably just write something on headed paper.
    Can't be too difficult.


  • #1688
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,708 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    It's a developing situation. Government and the eu will continue to change policy as the situation develops.
    In the meantime keep calm

    I'm not sure why you keep throwing out this isn't hard to understand. Worst case scenario as you seem to be so worried about is that all businesses put on lockdown. You won't have anywhere to spend your savings on.

    If you have no money coming in and still have a mortgage, rent and bills etc to pay, where is money going to come from, if not from people's savings.

    This REALLY isn't hard to understand.


  • #1689
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    Jin luk wrote: »
    But u need to sign a permit to say youre doing 1 of those things to leave the house no? Or is not in spain yet?

    Not yet, I'm in Spain too and we don't need this, I think they do in Italy though.


  • #1690
    padjocollins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 463 ✭✭padjocollins


    this probably has already been posted this morning but just in case
    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1239975682643357696.html -- summary of imperial college report on covid-19 and why the various governments are reacting the way they are.


  • #1691
    TheCitizen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,710 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Irish Distillers stepping up.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0319/1124084-irish-distillers-gel/

    Thought you were going to tell us they're handing out free whiskey


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  • #1692
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    For the vast majority of people the 'cure' will be way worse than the disease.

    Hundreds of thousands on the dole queues, tax receipts down the toilet and investments into critical services will have to be drastically slashed. The coming recession will kill way more people than the virus - just over a longer period and without the newspaper headlines.

    People over 65 could have been quarantined without any major effect on the economy.

    I think the point is to try to mitigate the uncontrolled spread that took place before restrictions were introduced. Then begin to reopen with the high risk cohort quarantined ("cocooned" if you like). There will probably be peaks and troughs in different areas of the world basically with measures tightened and relaxed accordingly from time to time landing vaccine.

    I also believe this is a good strategy and can work well with everyone committing to it.

    This is an existential threat and has to be met as such. The world changed while we weren't looking.


  • #1693
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Ficheall wrote: »
    Before you encourage everyone to rush to the hospital (not saying I disagree with the overall notion that earlier treatment increases your chances) but if I'm reading your chart correctly, doesn't it suggest that those who waited longer to go to hospital are more likely to survive? (Not that correlation implies causation, obviously, it's reasonable to interpret it as the harder hit needing to go to hospital sooner).

    You are right. Glad someone read it :) That chart is fit to the curve. I did see this but the previous chart showed the actual data and it made more sense hence what I quoted.

    Here's the lognormal one which I think makes more sense. Let me know what you think. It's page 4 in the report.

    506194.png

    https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/210a/892deb1c61577f6fba58505fd65356ce6636.pdf?_ga=2.73970898.1111571470.1584609703-484965398.1584609703

    There's a Kaggle competition which is how I found that study.

    https://www.kaggle.com/allen-institute-for-ai/CORD-19-research-challenge


  • #1694
    Cuckoo7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 235 ✭✭Cuckoo7


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    Not yet, I'm in Spain too and we don't need this, I think they do in Italy though.

    In France they do.
    https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-france-requires-form-leave-house-walk-shopping-2020-3?r=US&IR=T


  • #1695
    gabeeg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg


    PixelTrawler wrote: »
    Ring your gp or the HSE for medical advice, would be best

    I think we need people to move past this.

    This isn't medical advice, it's behavioural - if you think there's a chance you could be infected, stay in to avoid infecting anyone else. If you develop symptoms then ring your GP.

    Don't go clogging up phone lines unnecessarily and don't go out


  • #1696
    DOCARCH
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,885 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    DOCARCH wrote: »
    According to SO'R (earlier) there is expected to be an announcement from the the Dept of Education later this morning. Possibly about extending school closures?

    All it was, is cancellation of oral exams (....and students will get 100% for that bit of the exam!).


  • #1697
    Cilldara_2000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,189 ✭✭✭Cilldara_2000


    MOR316 wrote: »
    Good job I'm balding so

    *Receding hairline...I'm not Claire Balding

    Srsly though, I tried reasoned economic debate in here a few days ago. It got drowned out in line with what Jurgen Klopp (the poster not the manager!) said just there. We really can't forecast accurately anything atm. It all changes very quickly. But I can be reasonably certain in saying that the economic impact can and will be mitigated by sensible Keynsian economic policies.

    Another poster mentioned inflation. Inflation is good. It has been far too low recently. Even the neo-liberal monetarist crowd like 2% inflation. Inflation in Ireland and the Eurozone has been well below 2% for the last eight years.


  • #1698
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    John Hutton wrote: »
    Lads, if a friend is showing symptoms from yesterday and I was around him on Monday do I need to self isolate, or do I only need to self isolate if I was around someone who is symptomatic?

    Yes, at least until your friend gets the all clear.


  • #1699
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,429 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    padjocollins wrote: »
    this probably has already been posted this morning but just in case
    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1239975682643357696.html -- summary of imperial college report on covid-19 and why the various governments are reacting the way they are.

    But a large orange man told me the flu was worse.

    trump-tweet.png


  • #1700
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    wakka12 wrote: »
    First death in Northern Ireland, in Belfast. Patient had underlying conditions.

    Underlying conditions is such a catch-all. Is a dodgy knee included for instance. Had red hair? I mean who knows what could have contributed to their death. If you take Germany's approach they wouldn't get counted.


  • #1701
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    Tony EH wrote: »
    If you have no money coming in and still have a mortgage, rent and bills etc to pay, where is money going to come from, if not from people's savings.

    This REALLY isn't hard to understand.

    Mortgages are to be frozen. You will receive money from the government if you are made redundant.
    You will only need money for groceries. Nothing else. No holidays , no new wardrobe, no house renovations. Not necessary during this time . If you have a sky subscription that's on you. Phone, electricity bills etc are also in you. That's life.
    The vast majority are still working.
    You can panic if you wish. It won't do you any good. I choose to stay calm. Peace


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  • #1702
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,708 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    I think the people who got let go are being treated completely unfairly.
    This is not their fault. They did not cause this. They are being sacrificed for the greater good.

    The government really needs to step up and ensure no-one goes without during this crisis. It is a crisis and the reason we are taking this approach is to increase our odds of survival. When the economy reboots there will be jobs.

    If they don't the social contract is broken and people will act out. We are literally all in this together.

    The department of social welfare with all of their complicated procedures designed to make X% of people to drop off during an application at different stages need to stop hindering people in getting compensated.

    The longer this goes on, the worst state we'll be in and the economy could take a long time to recover.

    I agree that some sort of "social contract" will be broken if there aren't measures put in place to help citizens out, if the worst case scenario comes to pass.


  • #1703
    voluntary
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 871 ✭✭✭voluntary


    https://twitter.com/tancredipalmeri/status/1240414011608444929?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1240414011608444929&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fpublish.twitter.com%2F%3Fquery%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Ftwitter.com%252Ftancredipalmeri%252Fstatus%252F1240414011608444929%26widget%3DTweet


  • #1704
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,429 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Underlying conditions is such a catch-all. Is a dodgy knee included for instance. Had red hair? I mean who knows what could have contributed to their death. If you take Germany's approach they wouldn't get counted.

    FFS haven't those people suffered enough!!!!


  • #1705
    Cilldara_2000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,189 ✭✭✭Cilldara_2000


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Underlying conditions is such a catch-all. Is a dodgy knee included for instance. Had red hair? I mean who knows what could have contributed to their death. If you take Germany's approach they wouldn't get counted.

    Link or it didn't happen.


  • #1706
    farmchoice
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,026 ✭✭✭farmchoice


    i cannot understand where the government are getting their projection from.
    at present the rate per million in Italy is 521 if it got that bad in ireland it would give us a total of approx 2500.
    if we assumed that all those cases were just in the lombardy region and applied that rate to Ireland then we would hit 9400 infections, this would be a worst case scenario seen no where in the world, yet our crowd keep banging on about 15,000 by the end of the month. i cannot find any justification for that figure.

    i dont have any axe to grind here perhaps im just missing something.


  • #1707
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    voluntary wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/tancredipalmeri/status/1240414011608444929?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1240414011608444929&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fpublish.twitter.com%2F%3Fquery%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Ftwitter.com%252Ftancredipalmeri%252Fstatus%252F1240414011608444929%26widget%3DTweet

    One of the most haunting images of this entire ordeal


  • #1708
    sheepsh4gger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 622 ✭✭✭sheepsh4gger


    Cilldara_2000 wrote: »
    The economic scaremongering by completely unqualified amateur "economists" is ten times worse than any of the alleged scaremongering about the extent of the virus.

    There is no reason whatsoever to expect that Ireland would be a third world economy for the next five years.
    We'll see who was right.


  • #1709
    gabeeg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg


    Cilldara_2000 wrote: »
    Srsly though, I tried reasoned economic debate in here a few days ago. It got drowned out in line with what Jurgen Klopp (the poster not the manager!) said just there. We really can't forecast accurately anything atm. It all changes very quickly. But I can be reasonably certain in saying that the economic impact can and will be mitigated by sensible Keynsian economic policies.

    Another poster mentioned inflation. Inflation is good. It has been far too low recently. Even the neo-liberal monetarist crowd like 2% inflation. Inflation in Ireland and the Eurozone has been well below 2% for the last eight years.

    That was me with the inflation jabber. I agree a bit of inflation is good, but I think we'll see quite a lot. I think you can probably tell from my language there that I'm no expert, but few countries if any have enough cash set aside to reduce economic output by so much and not have to print serious amounts in order to keep afloat.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying this is the weimar republic all over again


  • #1710
    voluntary
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 871 ✭✭✭voluntary


    Cases vs Confirmed cases are 2 very different numbers. There are many, many times more ill than have been tested.


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  • #1711
    fluke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,758 ✭✭✭fluke


    bottlebrush wrote: »
    I went out for a walk alone around 8 last night. Groups of teenagers out strolling hogging up the footpaths but I crossed the roads several times to keep my distance. The most annoying were the joggers - jogging in twos and threes, no high vis vests or strips so they were upon me before I could see them and they wouldn't even go single file when they met somebody on the footpath. I could see other walkers way ahead of me jumping down on the road to make way for them, one man with a dog narrowly avoided a car on the road.

    And it's not all the young people. I saw a middle aged man shaking hands with two others then take a cigarette out of a packet and light it. As a former smoker in my youth I know he would have had to use his fingers to pull out the cigarette at the tip which then goes in on his mouth.

    Up to yesterday I hadn't gone outside the door since monday and really needed to get out last night as I'm getting cabin fever. I have had no social interactions since the weekend before last as I had a serious illness some years ago and am trying to mind myself.

    It's funny the things that never occurred to me before but when I go out I find myself noticing everything and coming home annoyed with the cavalier attitude of people flying in the face of the people in the health service who are giving their all in this crises.

    I know I sound like an auld curmudgeon but this crisis is really highlighting how many stupid or selfish people live among us.

    You don't sound like an auld curmudgeon. Some people don't have a fuckin clue.


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