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CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) *Read OP*

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  • #1562
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    sheepsh4gger wrote: »
    The reaction to the virus is worse than the actual threat.
    It's mostly:
    - men
    - that smoke
    - over 70
    That are most susceptible. Isolate them (if they want it) and let the rest of the economy work.
    In 2017 tuberculosis killed 6 million people and nobody covered it. It's selective.

    I suspect that the market was about to crash already and Americans are just using the virus as an excuse.

    Sounds like a conspiracy. Different thread I'm afraid. I'd love to speak about globalist lizards creating bioweapons to reduce the pension bill etc but not the time or place I'm afraid. :pac:

    Also if those who agree to sign a waiver to any and all hospital treatment then by all means let them go forth and lick a door handle somewhere. They should report back on their immunity so others can follow suit. It will be a brave experiment in the fight against COVID19 and if it goes badly they'll just be another statistic.


  • #1563
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Is there a bit of a head cold going around too?

    I am sneezing, blowing the nose and am tired. I have noticed my coworkers have similar symptoms. Nobody is coughing though

    Yep there is. I’m just thankful this virus didn’t start here in the middle of that really nasty dose that went around at Christmas.


  • #1564
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Widdensushi wrote: »
    Up to 2% will need hospitalization... Up to 90% won't know they have it .
    What utterly sh*t source are you getting your stats from?


  • #1565
    facehugger99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,824 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    If the economy can't deal with being shut down for a while in the interest of people's health, perhaps the problem is with the economic system.

    Great - perhaps you'd like to post up the details of your alternative system so we can have a think about it?


  • #1566
    BluePlanet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,444 ✭✭✭BluePlanet


    Herd Immunity only works in conjunction with vaccination, not by letting the virus rip.

    This guy summarizes that report that has concentrated the minds of UK and USA.
    https://twitter.com/jeremycyoung/status/1239975682643357696
    Links to the actual Imperial College report.

    4 million americans dead inside 3 months.


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  • #1567
    iwillyeah1234
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭iwillyeah1234


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Yes I agree. One other thing that this study demonstrates is the importance of going to hospital earlier. The people who survived versus those who ultimately succumbed to the virus, went to hospital on average 3 days early than those that died.

    Backs up what Mike Ryan was saying about early intervention. Now the government advice and difficulty in getting diagnosed hampers this. I think if people do get infected and really do feel poorly they should absolutely not take this lightly and hope that they'll be grand. It get progressively worse in some people and they go downhill quite quickly.

    Don't be a hero.

    This also backs up the Korean policy of mass testing , and ultra-transparent messaging.

    Under South Korean law, a Corona case will have their movements released to Korean social media apps by the government. ( they use various tools, such as mobile GPS records, bank ATM withdrawals, transport etc - the data is anonymised , but everyone is alerted to the cases previous movements)

    Meanwhile over the UK currently ( from the BBC) - "the UK is not currently doing any mass surveillance testing or actively tracing people who have come into contact with known cases"

    Instead, "At the moment only people in hospital are being routinely tested, so if you have symptoms and you are not sure if you have the virus, you may well never know."

    The UK is a 2nd Italy just waiting to happen.


  • #1568
    bilston
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,997 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-new-treatment-for-critically-ill-patients-to-begin-as-soon-as-next-week-11959914

    Interesting development


  • #1569
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    D9Male wrote: »
    Are you willfully ignoring the news?

    Have you seen what is happening in Italy? Do you know that people in their 50s that need a respirator to survive are being denied one because it is needed by someone younger?

    This is why there is a crisis. It is probably coming to Ireland, the US, the UK, etc. It is already in Spain.

    Our public health system can't cope if it is that bad here.

    Yeah but have YOU seen the stock market. You are so insensitive to people who are loosing their arse at the moment. Have a thought for all those who's virtual money is evaporating.


  • #1570
    Bob24
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    McWilliams saying on pat Kenny show that there is 750 billion available to hand to euro folk to spend in order to keep the economies moving. People need to spend and not hoard . Helicopter money. Hong Kong did it successfully. The Us considering it. The European Central bank gave the green light to dish it out.
    Up to Paschal now.

    I saw the piece McWilliams had in the IT advocating for helicopter money.

    He's going completely off-track IMO and MMT is a very dangerous game.

    Firstly in times when people are worried and confined at home, most of them will save the money rather than using it for discretionary spendings.

    Secondly, once you start doing this it will be like a drug and hard to stop - eventually generating significant and out of control consumer price inflation and destroying the value of money.


  • #1571
    facehugger99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,824 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    Tony EH wrote: »
    Hong Kong gave each citizen about 1500 quid in a one off payment. That would cover a month for most people in Ireland.

    Then what.

    As well as "helicopter money" for people's immediate spending purposes, I think government needs to look at a portion of debt forgiveness. Write off some of the debt that people owe and give people some breathing room to get back on track.

    When all this blows over and people are still struggling to pay mortgages, rents and bills, we'll see some very real hardships happening.

    One of the biggest bullsh;t phrases to be invented - the correct term is 'debt-transfer'.

    The debt doesn't get magicked away - someone else just ends up paying it.


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  • #1572
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    Tony EH wrote: »
    Hong Kong gave each citizen about 1500 quid in a one off payment. That would cover a month for most people in Ireland.

    Then what.

    As well as "helicopter money" for people's immediate spending purposes, I think government needs to look at a portion of debt forgiveness. Write off some of the debt that people owe and give people some breathing room to get back on track.

    When all this blows over and people are still struggling to pay mortgages, rents and bills, we'll see some very real hardships happening.

    It more to keep businesses going so when this crisis is over people have jobs to go back to so they can pay mortgages,rents and bills.

    No businesses = No jobs = No vat = less government money to spend= no money for hap, welfare etc.
    You get the idea


  • #1573
    bilston
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,997 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    iwillyeah1234 wrote: »
    This also backs up the Korean policy of mass testing , and ultra-transparent messaging.

    Under South Korean law, a Corona case will have their movements released to Korean social media apps by the government. ( they use various tools, such as mobile GPS records, bank ATM withdrawals, transport etc - the data is anonymised , but everyone is alerted to the cases previous movements)

    Meanwhile over the UK currently ( from the BBC) - "the UK is not currently doing any mass surveillance testing or actively tracing people who have come into contact with known cases"

    Instead, "At the moment only people in hospital are being routinely tested, so if you have symptoms and you are not sure if you have the virus, you may well never know."

    The UK is a 2nd Italy just waiting to happen.

    The UK is increasing testing to 25,000 a day from next week.

    It should have been done much sooner.

    If nothing else surely it is better to know if you have had it and have recovered from it.


  • #1574
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Bob24 wrote: »
    I saw the piece McWilliams had in the IT advocating for helicopter money.

    He's going completely off-track IMO and MMT is a very dangerous game.

    Firstly in times when people are worried and confined at home, most of them will save the money rather than using it for discretionary spendings.

    Secondly, once you start doing this it will be like a drug and hard to stop - eventually generating significant and out of control consumer price inflation and destroying the value of money.

    Yeah sounds exactly like what happened with quantitive easing. I guess you like that though.


  • #1575
    facehugger99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,824 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    Ulysses Gaze wrote: »
    Answer the question.

    Why are the British rowing back on it?

    Do you know how quotation marks work? - it's ok to say you don't.


  • #1576
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,458 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Hey, I understand people need financial help, but seriously, there seems to be a real rush to enact here, and it could prove very reckless... it’s like a populist bandwagon for some...blank chequebooks all round...


  • #1577
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Irish Distillers stepping up.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0319/1124084-irish-distillers-gel/

    Great news, they produce so much of it there at least the spirits will be used. Unlike whiskey where a large percentage is lost during maturation.


  • #1578
    sheepsh4gger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 622 ✭✭✭sheepsh4gger


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Sounds like a conspiracy. Different thread I'm afraid. I'd love to speak about globalist lizards creating bioweapons to reduce the pension bill etc but not the time or place I'm afraid. :pac:

    Also if those who agree to sign a waiver to any and all hospital treatment then by all means let them go forth and lick a door handle somewhere. They should report back on their immunity so others can follow suit. It will be a brave experiment in the fight against COVID19 and if it goes badly they'll just be another statistic.
    Where is the conspiracy exactly? Read with understanding.


  • #1579
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Is there a bit of a head cold going around too?

    I am sneezing, blowing the nose and am tired. I have noticed my coworkers have similar symptoms. Nobody is coughing though

    I bloody hope so as I have had those symptoms for a week.


  • #1580
    mosii
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 332 ✭✭mosii


    David mc Williams saying, give everybody free money,does he not know we cant do anything without ECB and the EU telling us what to do.
    We have no financila independence,as far as i can see.


  • #1581
    bottlebrush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,215 ✭✭✭bottlebrush


    I went out for a walk alone around 8 last night. Groups of teenagers out strolling hogging up the footpaths but I crossed the roads several times to keep my distance. The most annoying were the joggers - jogging in twos and threes, no high vis vests or strips so they were upon me before I could see them and they wouldn't even go single file when they met somebody on the footpath. I could see other walkers way ahead of me jumping down on the road to make way for them, one man with a dog narrowly avoided a car on the road.

    And it's not all the young people. I saw a middle aged man shaking hands with two others then take a cigarette out of a packet and light it. As a former smoker in my youth I know he would have had to use his fingers to pull out the cigarette at the tip which then goes in on his mouth.

    Up to yesterday I hadn't gone outside the door since monday and really needed to get out last night as I'm getting cabin fever. I have had no social interactions since the weekend before last as I had a serious illness some years ago and am trying to mind myself.

    It's funny the things that never occurred to me before but when I go out I find myself noticing everything and coming home annoyed with the cavalier attitude of people flying in the face of the people in the health service who are giving their all in this crises.

    I know I sound like an auld curmudgeon but this crisis is really highlighting how many stupid or selfish people live among us.


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  • #1582
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    walshb wrote: »
    Hey, I understand people need financial help, but seriously, there seems to be a real rush to enact here, and it could prove very reckless... it’s like a populist bandwagon for some...blank chequebooks all round...

    Not really. You misunderstand


  • #1583
    DOCARCH
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,885 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    bilston wrote: »
    If nothing else surely it is better to know if you have had it and have recovered from it.

    Exactly!

    One other problem is that if you have the virus, and you recover/all symptoms are gone, you are still contagious for up to 14 days after!


  • #1584
    thomas 123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,901 ✭✭✭thomas 123


    iwillyeah1234 wrote: »
    This also backs up the Korean policy of mass testing , and ultra-transparent messaging.

    Under South Korean law, a Corona case will have their movements released to Korean social media apps by the government. ( they use various tools, such as mobile GPS records, bank ATM withdrawals, transport etc - the data is anonymised , but everyone is alerted to the cases previous movements)

    Meanwhile over the UK currently ( from the BBC) - "the UK is not currently doing any mass surveillance testing or actively tracing people who have come into contact with known cases"

    Instead, "At the moment only people in hospital are being routinely tested, so if you have symptoms and you are not sure if you have the virus, you may well never know."

    The UK is a 2nd Italy just waiting to happen.

    There was news yesterday that Regeneron in limerick will be trialing something soon also!

    Long time to go yet but we will make it!


  • #1585
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,708 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    One of the biggest bullsh;t phrases to be invented - the correct term is 'debt-transfer'.

    The debt doesn't get magicked away - someone else just ends up paying it.

    It doesn't HAVE to be that way.


  • #1586
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    One of the biggest bullsh;t phrases to be invented - the correct term is 'debt-transfer'.

    The debt doesn't get magicked away - someone else just ends up paying it.

    Like the "other" column on most bank's balance sheet. It's not a liability. We swear we are not bankrupt.


  • #1587
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    I bloody hope so as I have had those symptoms for a week.
    Manuka honey, yum!


  • #1588
    iwillyeah1234
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭iwillyeah1234


    sheepsh4gger wrote: »
    The reaction to the virus is worse than the actual threat.
    It's mostly:
    - men
    - that smoke
    - over 70
    That are most susceptible. Isolate them (if they want it) and let the rest of the economy work.
    In 2017 tuberculosis killed 6 million people and nobody covered it. It's selective.

    I suspect that the market was about to crash already and Americans are just using the virus as an excuse.

    Have you read anything by Italian doctors?
    That older people were dying there was because they were trying to save the lives of the 40 to 70 group.

    The Italian doctors were being forced into battlefield triage - deciding who would live and who would die.


  • #1589
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Playboy has ceased publishing its (sticky) paper edition.


  • #1590
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,853 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    Widdensushi wrote: »
    Up to 2% will need hospitalization, most of those are in the over 65 and underlying condition category, of course there are exceptions. Up to 90% won't know they have it .
    Ulysses Gaze wrote: »
    What are your sources for that figure?


    To paraphrase David Drumm, he plucked the figure out of his hole.


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  • #1591
    sadie1502
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 666 ✭✭✭sadie1502


    Time is of the essence as WHO keep saying speed trumps perfection. Get it done. Close it down stop people moving around. Stop thinking about it just do it. The faster people realise this the faster it comes to a conclusion.


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