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Squidgy Black · 18-03-2020 06:21PM

errlloyd wrote: »

The second sentence is the good one. 60% 90% percent improved. or if inverted it means that 40% of people had lunch problems previously now only 10% do. A huge result for what could be the biggest burden on medical resources.

I've been having awful lunch problems since I've started wfh, need to do a proper shop soon.

aloooof · 18-03-2020 06:23PM

prawnsambo wrote: »

The Chinese have reported that they've had very good success rates treating people with a Japanese developed flu treatment.

Patients who were given the medicine in Shenzhen turned negative for the virus after a median of four days after becoming positive, compared with a median of 11 days for those who were not treated with the drug

That could go a very long way towards alleviating pressure on the health service, reducing the time someone needs to remain in hospital by over 60%.

prawnsambo · 18-03-2020 06:29PM

aloooof wrote: »

That could go a very long way towards alleviating pressure on the health service, reducing the time someone needs to remain in hospital by over 60%.

There are some wrinkles however. It needs approval (a sort of change of use type) and the best results were achieved when administered early in the infection before the virus multiplied. Still a very useful development.

pickarooney · 18-03-2020 06:29PM

Apparently there's another, different, avian flu spreading across China and The Philippines now

prawnsambo · 18-03-2020 06:36PM

pickarooney wrote: »

Apparently there's another, different, avian flu spreading across China and The Philippines now

Headline: "Human activity is destroying life on earth"

Earth: "Hold my petri-dish".

irishbucsfan · 18-03-2020 11:39PM

thomond2006 wrote: »

Tom Brady's association with the Patriots are no more. It's going to be odd watching Brady line out for the Buccaneers.

What does our resident bucsfan think?

I used to work in his hometown, where he is not very well liked, so I can’t wait to put up loads of picture of me going round the gaff in a Brady jersey

stephen_n · 18-03-2020 11:51PM

Possibly the funniest thing I’ve seen today.

https://twitter.com/dodoutofcontext/status/1240011424593842178?s=21

19-03-2020 08:54AM

pickarooney wrote: »

Apparently there's another, different, avian flu spreading across China and The Philippines now

In birds only so far, to be clear.

stephen_n · 19-03-2020 10:51AM

I know people turn to faith in times of trouble, but this shows how faith is blind, deaf, dumb and stupid.

19-03-2020 11:01AM

At least in my neck of the woods people are taking this all very seriously and responsibly. Total social distancing being practiced, even by most kids. Went into Dunnes yesterday, everyone compliant and going about their business, no hoarding or massive queues everyone keeping plenty of distance and being patient. Few teenagers clearly not caring in the slightest but otherwise impressive social coordination.

If everywhere else is the same and we can keep this up we'll be fine through this. The economy will have to be figured out but our death toll may not escalate to that which other countries are experiencing.

19-03-2020 11:04AM

Friend of my aunt passed away from it. In her 70's in Seattle which is the hardest hit place in the states.

19-03-2020 11:13AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Friend of my aunt passed away from it. In her 70's in Seattle which is the hardest hit place in the states.

I've a good few friends in America and by all accounts they weren't taking this seriously at all. Turning point seemed to come just before last weekend when the penny dropped and of course now it's turned into complete panic.

sydthebeat · 19-03-2020 11:33AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I've a good few friends in America and by all accounts they weren't taking this seriously at all. Turning point seemed to come just before last weekend when the penny dropped and of course now it's turned into complete panic.

same happening across the water.....

no surprise considering whos leading

19-03-2020 12:10PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I've a good few friends in America and by all accounts they weren't taking this seriously at all. Turning point seemed to come just before last weekend when the penny dropped and of course now it's turned into complete panic.

It's utterly indefensible from trump. Usually I can understand the republican point of view to a degree but not this time. He's literally directly caused the blasé attitude over the past few months. What the **** were him and his cabinet trying to do. Even threw in some racist connotations for good measure.

Buer · 19-03-2020 12:21PM

Orals and practicals to be given full marks in the Leaving Cert. Is this not madness?

Imagine you're doing Irish, French and Home Economics for the exams. You've just scored 25% from a possible 25% in 3 exams. Then you've people just taking Irish, Chemistry and History who are all about the written paper and at a disadvantage in the points race. Am I missing something here?

Squidgy Black · 19-03-2020 12:27PM

Buer wrote: »

Orals and practicals to be given full marks in the Leaving Cert. Is this not madness?

Imagine you're doing Irish, French and Home Economics for the exams. You've just scored 25% from a possible 25% in 3 exams. Then you've people just taking Irish, Chemistry and History who are all about the written paper and at a disadvantage in the points race. Am I missing something here?

The only thing I can think of is that most schools require you to take a second language in French/Spanish/German etc as well as a science, so Physics/Chemistry/Biology will all have mandatory experiments that presumably will be given full grades.

But surely it'd make more sense to just make the written papers 100% of the grade?

Dave_The_Sheep · 19-03-2020 12:53PM

Deleted User wrote: »

What the **** were him and his cabinet trying to do. Even threw in some racist connotations for good measure.

Get Trump re-elected. That's all it is at it's core. They don't give a **** about anything else, just keeping themselves (Republicans) in power and the money that goes with it.

Stop people from thinking Trump is weak. That he always has the best plan. Don't worry (except about the migrants and foreigners!), go to work, don't let this affect the economy in an election year.

"Some of you may die, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make" seems to be the internal rallying call of both Trump and Johnson's lot in reaction to this.

The Lost Sheep · 19-03-2020 01:20PM

Buer wrote: »

Orals and practicals to be given full marks in the Leaving Cert. Is this not madness?

Imagine you're doing Irish, French and Home Economics for the exams. You've just scored 25% from a possible 25% in 3 exams. Then you've people just taking Irish, Chemistry and History who are all about the written paper and at a disadvantage in the points race. Am I missing something here?

total madness and skews points system in future years moat likely.

As I'm out of work for foreseeable future I'm helping out at a local pharmacy just helping limit numbers going in the doors. I've had so much work cancelled but at least I'm not going on social welfare.

swiwi_ · 19-03-2020 01:36PM

I'm wondering if govts might need to turn to partial herd immunity?

At the moment, the plan is isolate and wait for a vaccine and/or the virus to fade away.
The worst case scenario is isolate, cases die down, ban lifted, virus takes off again, back to square one.

Since the death rate is negligible in healthy youngish people, maybe they should have lockdown for anyone over 60 and/or in poor health and/or living with such people, and let the rest of the population get back to being productive. This group will pick up the virus, won't die, and will then be immune, protecting the more vulnerable in turn.

sydthebeat · 19-03-2020 01:44PM

Seems the "indigenous" population of rathkeale are boozing it up in pubs while the rest of the responsible population adhere to social distancing advice

Stheno · 19-03-2020 01:44PM

sydthebeat wrote: »

Seems the "indigenous" population of rathkeale are boozing it up in pubs while the rest of the responsible population adhere to social distancing advice

That's called self selection, no?

sydthebeat · 19-03-2020 01:46PM

Stheno wrote: »

That's called self selection, no?

No difference to their normal day to day then

Utah_Saint · 19-03-2020 02:23PM

swiwi_ wrote: »

I'm wondering if govts might need to turn to partial herd immunity?

At the moment, the plan is isolate and wait for a vaccine and/or the virus to fade away.
The worst case scenario is isolate, cases die down, ban lifted, virus takes off again, back to square one.

Since the death rate is negligible in healthy youngish people, maybe they should have lockdown for anyone over 60 and/or in poor health and/or living with such people, and let the rest of the population get back to being productive. This group will pick up the virus, won't die, and will then be immune, protecting the more vulnerable in turn.

Yes I've mused over this. Lockdown for 3-6 months, economy damaged and children's education halted. Lockdown lifted and the country is reinfected, back to lockdown and irreversible economic damage.

The true infected figure is much much higher than reported. The figures on the news are only tested cases. So the mortality rate is also lower than the 2-5% reported.

Utah_Saint · 19-03-2020 02:30PM

I should also add. In the UK between 2012-2019 120000 deaths are directly liked to Gov austerity measures...and this is while the economy was growing.

aloooof · 19-03-2020 03:02PM

swiwi_ wrote: »

I'm wondering if govts might need to turn to partial herd immunity?

At the moment, the plan is isolate and wait for a vaccine and/or the virus to fade away.
The worst case scenario is isolate, cases die down, ban lifted, virus takes off again, back to square one.

Since the death rate is negligible in healthy youngish people, maybe they should have lockdown for anyone over 60 and/or in poor health and/or living with such people, and let the rest of the population get back to being productive. This group will pick up the virus, won't die, and will then be immune, protecting the more vulnerable in turn.

I guess part of the idea is to buy time? While unlikely to have a vaccine in time for the peak, it seems like new drug treatments are being suggested and showing good results pretty regularly.

It's also buying time to ramp up production of these medicines and ventilators etc.

19-03-2020 03:05PM

swiwi_ wrote: »

I'm wondering if govts might need to turn to partial herd immunity?

At the moment, the plan is isolate and wait for a vaccine and/or the virus to fade away.
The worst case scenario is isolate, cases die down, ban lifted, virus takes off again, back to square one.

Since the death rate is negligible in healthy youngish people, maybe they should have lockdown for anyone over 60 and/or in poor health and/or living with such people, and let the rest of the population get back to being productive. This group will pick up the virus, won't die, and will then be immune, protecting the more vulnerable in turn.

#flattenthecurve

swiwi_ · 19-03-2020 03:47PM

Sloane Nutritious Ham wrote: »

#flattenthecurve

Don’t need to flatten the curve for the healthy population.

Edit: In fact, you want them infected (and hence immunised subsequently) as fast as possible. Just need to have enough ICU capacity for the small percentage of the low-risk population that turn bad.

ClanofLams · 19-03-2020 04:08PM

Have heard Eamon Ryan speak well before but listening to him now, he’s off his rocker. Speech is like something you would hear down the pub, keep hardware stores open so people can paint their house, could we not have organised leaving cert orals on Skype etc (60,000 exams on skype organised in few weeks- would inevitably be disaster).

Detached from reality.

stephen_n · 19-03-2020 04:41PM

swiwi_ wrote: »

Don’t need to flatten the curve for the healthy population.

Edit: In fact, you want them infected (and hence immunised subsequently) as fast as possible. Just need to have enough ICU capacity for the small percentage of the low-risk population that turn bad.

That doesn’t reflect what’s happening. In Italy they are prioritizing the young over the old in ICU. It’s not as if the young aren’t seriously impacted by this, they are but they’re more likely to survive. Even at that there is residual permanent damage to the lungs in those who recover. Trying to manage the amount of people in ICU in any given time is a far more sensible policy, than feck it let’s build herd immunity.

19-03-2020 05:09PM

Do we even know if herd immunity is a thing that works in this case?

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