Off Topic Thread 4.0

Stheno

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yup, horrific.

This is the video folks, if there is anyone in your immediate circle of friends or family that is dismissing this in any way - this is the video to show them.

Not an easy watch. Wouldn't wish this on anyone.

I was watching and thought it was ICU

Then they announced it was a and e

While an horrific watch and I dont particularly like Sky, Kudos to them for broadcasting it

The more who see it the more it will slam the message home to do the basics being asked

Neil3030

I'm currently self quarantining in a hotel around the corner from our apartment, as I traveled back to Europe last minute, before all avenues shut off. 6 airports and 5 flights in two days. Not ideal, but no other way to guarantee getting home. I must have gone through a full tub of disinfectant wipes, avoided any and all airplane food, didn't speak to people sitting beside me or use the bathroom (on a plane at least).

My rather circuitous trip took me through Heathrow, and I'm absolutely shocked at how few ****s are being given there right now. Pubs and Cafes all open and full, nobody (white) wearing a mask, so many people coughing without covering their mouth and from the few conversations that got close enough for me to hear, the tone I gauged was more frustration at the inconvenience rather than concern for the threat of "this bloody virus".

I don't want to make this too political, but that comes from the top. From the few clips I've seen from Varadkar, Covney, etc., the Irish government are playing an absolute blinder (certainly relative to their UK counterparts) and you can see the example trickling down to the behaviour of the peoole. Right now my sister and her fella are staying with my parents as the formers' house is being finished. Thankfully my folks are retired and the rest can work from home. They've been in lockdown for about a week and a half now. Nobody allowed in or out of the house, exception in the latter case to walk the dog in the park. Food is delivered from Tesco. All fridge/freezer items are wiped down, the rest left on the porch for 24hours before bringing them inside.

Even my brother, who is the kind of guy who wouldn't wear a bike helmet as it would mess up his hair, is in lockdown with his wife at their place.

Take similar steps wherever possible, folks. We protect both ourselves and anyone else who we would otherwise interact with, and the people they might infect, and the people they might infect, and the people they might infect, and on so on. Let your inner anxious, paranoid, OCD child run absolutely rampant right now, and save some lives!!

irishbucsfan

swiwi_ wrote: »

Don’t need to flatten the curve for the healthy population.

Edit: In fact, you want them infected (and hence immunised subsequently) as fast as possible. Just need to have enough ICU capacity for the small percentage of the low-risk population that turn bad.

I know 3 people with it who are in their 20s, two of them were hospitalised

swiwi_

irishbucsfan wrote: »

I know 3 people with it who are in their 20s, two of them were hospitalised

Good for you. Thanks for the info! Evidence by anecdotes is always tenuous.

irishbucsfan

swiwi_ wrote: »

Good for you. Thanks for the info! Evidence by anecdotes is always tenuous.

Our hospitals simply don't have anywhere near the capacity. That's why we aren't following some back-of-the-matchbox herd immunity tactic.

It is far less likely obviously but it can cause very severe symptoms in anyone.

irishbucsfan

Its very very grim stateside. Someone I used to work with in California has severe symptoms and can't get a test, can't get out of bed. They're from outside the States and on their own so a colleague had to go around to look after them. I think they're getting sorted now. Could be an absolute disaster over there if uninsured people aren't able to get tested or treatment (although this person HAS good insurance through my ex-employer there)

Just read they issued a "stay-at-home" order in CA and the governor says they need 20,000 more beds and asked for a navy hospital ship to be deployed, he thinks half the population could be infected in the next two months (that'd be 20 million cases!)

Bazzo

swiwi_ wrote: »

Good for you. Thanks for the info! Evidence by anecdotes is always tenuous.

Public Health England drew up a "reasonable case scenario" that 15% could require hospitalisation, presumably not pulled out of their ass, if that's good enough for you:

https://www.ft.com/content/8c1bac6e-66fe-11ea-a3c9-1fe6fedcca75

molloyjh

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Its very very grim stateside. Someone I used to work with in California has severe symptoms and can't get a test, can't get out of bed. They're from outside the States and on their own so a colleague had to go around to look after them. I think they're getting sorted now. Could be an absolute disaster over there if uninsured people aren't able to get tested or treatment (although this person HAS good insurance through my ex-employer there)

Just read they issued a "stay-at-home" order in CA and the governor says they need 20,000 more beds and asked for a navy hospital ship to be deployed, he thinks half the population could be infected in the next two months (that'd be 20 million cases!)

Good insurance in the US means nothing. I had an aunt & cousins living there for a few years. Her husband was high profile in a major financial institution there at the time. Lots of sway with the company who had a health care scheme for employees through a particular insurer. When my cousin had a severe asthma attack and needed hospitalization the insurer tried every trick in the book to avoid having to pay despite a comprehensive policy. Only serious pressure from the employer finally forced them to pony up. Had he not been in such a position in the company he wouldn't have had that support and would have been left covering the cost themselves. Which they probably could have tbh, but it was instructive on how these things are handled and how on your own you can be there even with insurance.

Buer

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Its very very grim stateside. Someone I used to work with in California has severe symptoms and can't get a test, can't get out of bed. They're from outside the States and on their own so a colleague had to go around to look after them. I think they're getting sorted now. Could be an absolute disaster over there if uninsured people aren't able to get tested or treatment (although this person HAS good insurance through my ex-employer there)

Just read they issued a "stay-at-home" order in CA and the governor says they need 20,000 more beds and asked for a navy hospital ship to be deployed, he thinks half the population could be infected in the next two months (that'd be 20 million cases!)

It's exploding there now percentage wise. If they start testing on a more widespread level, I believe they're going to very rapidly reach Italian numbers.

Disturbing stuff coming out of Italy yesterday. Obviously the fact that they've overtaken China for the most deaths to date is grim in itself but according to comments from the Chinese Red Cross (who are in Lombardy to offer guidance) the public response is wholly insufficient. 52,000 fines already in Italy for people not respecting lockdown and being in public with no good reason.

Milan, the major city in Lombardy, is far too active still and the lockdown does not seem to be an actual lockdown according to the spokesperson from the Red Cross:

"Here in Milan, the hardest hit area by COVID-19, there isn't a very strict lockdown: public transportation is still working and people are still moving around, you're still having dinners and parties in the hotels and you're not wearing masks."

According to Paddy Agnew on RTE, the expectation is that numbers will continue to substantially increase for the remainder of this month at least.

Anecdotally, from what I can see, it's the younger generations that are the biggest issue. Yes, some older people are too through a lack of self awareness and/or ignorance. But I see the 15-30 age group as being the biggest problem. I go for a walk each evening for 1 hour to get some exercise and clear my head. Every evening, I see groups of 4-5 people walking about, sitting together in close proximity or in cars. They're completely oblivious to the situation at hand or, probably as likely, they don't give a f*ck as they think they're young and indestructible/it will never impact on them.

Up to this point, I've been of the opinion that it's going to take a few dozen deaths to focus the public minds across the board...but reading the Italian situation and comments from the Red Cross this morning, I'm not so sure.

swiwi_

I have asked my infectious diseases colleague the situation where I work. Currently 30 patients hospitalised with coro, of which 5 in ICU, of which 2 are young of which 1 of these 2 has an underlying illness.

IMO it is not currently workable the partial herd immunity concept, hospitals would be overrun, however the compete lockdown cannot go on indefinitely, at some point "not at risk" people will have to be allowed to start working again.

At some point as well, ICU will have to define limits of care. Another ID colleague told me if not better after 5 to 7 days in ICU, you can probably withdraw care (I think this was based on the Italian experience). They are also trialing anti-virals and hydroxychloroquine in ICU patients, too soon too tell if makes any difference.

I wish everyone on the forum the best of health and a good weekend as far as possible.

mfceiling

When your half Italian half Croatian female neighbour runs over to give you a hug after spotting me leaving out the bin.
Caught me completely unaware and I kind of tried to move away without telling her to fcuk off.
She's there with "I can't live like this...I need to see how everyone is"

Send them a message on the group WhatsApp and ask them.

Ardal O'Hanlon put it better years ago...."feckin Europeans can't even say hello without trying to fondle your genitals".

mfceiling

mfceiling wrote: »

When your half Italian half Croatian female neighbour runs over to give you a hug after spotting me leaving out the bin.
Caught me completely unaware and I kind of tried to move away without telling her to fcuk off.
She's there with "I can't live like this...I need to see how everyone is"

Send them a message on the group WhatsApp and ask them.

Ardal O'Hanlon put it better years ago...."feckin Europeans can't even say hello without trying to fondle your genitals".

Say a prayer for Marler in this trying time

Buer

mfceiling wrote: »

When your half Italian half Croatian female neighbour runs over to give you a hug after spotting me leaving out the bin.
Caught me completely unaware and I kind of tried to move away without telling her to fcuk off.
She's there with "I can't live like this...I need to see how everyone is"

Well she might not be living like this much longer if she keeps that sh*te up.

Scythica

Hey lads,

Just checking in.

Over in Devon/Cornwall things been a bit mad but there's also some nice stories of people looking out for eachother, local taxi firms doing free rides for the eldery/vulnerable to supermarkets etc.

Hope everyone keeps safe during all this but also don't lose the run of yourselves!

Look forward to going back reading Dave K/Zebo debates when it all blows over.

Zzippy

mfceiling wrote: »

When your half Italian half Croatian female neighbour runs over to give you a hug after spotting me leaving out the bin.
Caught me completely unaware and I kind of tried to move away without telling her to fcuk off.
She's there with "I can't live like this...I need to see how everyone is"

Send them a message on the group WhatsApp and ask them.

Ardal O'Hanlon put it better years ago...."feckin Europeans can't even say hello without trying to fondle your genitals".

Is she hot though? This could be the Corona version of the chewing gum ad, where the guy kisses the hot zombie :pac:

Dravokivich

errlloyd wrote: »

On chicken pox - it is not mild in adults and would be fatal in a significant percentage of elderly people. It is mild for children, and in this country Pox Parties are still popular. We allow toddlers and young children to get it because it is mild in them, and once they get it once they can't get it again when they're older. Edit - I didn't actually read that Pox Parties wiki article, just posted it. Makes me look like an anti vaxxer. Strongly in favour of vaccinating kids instead of just exposing them!

Seasonal flu was a bad example, because we actually vaccinate different strains of it every year. But Measles is a better example.

You can get chicken pox again. My kid has had it twice.

Former Former

Dravokivich wrote: »

You can get chicken pox again. My kid has had it twice.

That's incredibly rare though. If Covid-19 only recurs at the same frequency as chicken pox, we'll manage.

mfceiling

Zzippy wrote: »

Is she hot though?

Yes....yes she is.

Zzippy

mfceiling wrote: »

Yes....yes she is.

Worth the risk so! :P

Squidgy Black

Some interesting stats along with today's numbers.

12 people of the 683 diagnosed to date who went into intensive care, and 32% of those infected were hospitalised. 114 cases were healthcare workers.

awec

Are the hospitalisation stats skewed by the fact that initially every single case was hospitalised?

Squidgy Black

awec wrote: »

Are the hospitalisation stats skewed by the fact that initially every single case was hospitalised?

More than likely, would be interesting to see the breakdown after drive-thru testing and home testing was brought in.

Zzippy

awec wrote: »

Are the hospitalisation stats skewed by the fact that initially every single case was hospitalised?

Yes. A couple more weeks when only people who need hospital care are admitted will give a more accurate picture.

swiwi_

Read online that Israel sent Mossad out on a secret mission to get virus testing packs. Essentially a Covid operation i suppose.

mfceiling

2 lads I work with getting the test done at the start of next week.
One is quite asthmatic and the other lad lives on bulmers, cocaine and weetabix.

Not sure which one of them is going to fare better.

Stheno

mfceiling wrote: »

2 lads I work with getting the test done at the start of next week.
One is quite asthmatic and the other lad lives on bulmers, cocaine and weetabix.

Not sure which one of them is going to fare better.

Are you worried they might have passed it to you?

mfceiling

mfceiling wrote: »

2 lads I work with getting the test done at the start of next week.
One is quite asthmatic and the other lad lives on bulmers, cocaine and weetabix.

Not sure which one of them is going to fare better.

Can idiocy be deemed an underlying condition??

Panda Killa

mfceiling wrote: »

2 lads I work with getting the test done at the start of next week.
One is quite asthmatic and the other lad lives on bulmers, cocaine and weetabix.

Not sure which one of them is going to fare better.

Bulmers....cocaine.....and Weetabix.......can we just all take a second....and acknowledge this man for the hero he is!!

In other news.... Ryanair finally cancelled my flight to Barcelona in 2 weeks time....all mainland Europe flights to go be cancelled in the coming days

Squidgy Black

connemara man wrote: »

Can idiocy be deemed an underlying condition??

Bit bad to call a lad with asthma an idiot.

The other fella seems like my kind of guy.

mfceiling

Stheno wrote: »

Are you worried they might have passed it to you?

I'm not sure how I feel. I could have gotten it at the shop, from my wife or any other number of people.
We're doing pretty well with the self isolation but being self employed and having taken 8 weeks off at Christmas I kinda needed to be back at work.
Fortunately they are very small jobs with only a few lads on site and we are not in close proximity.
Today I was on a job on my own and I doubt there will be anyone there tomorrow either.
I'm kind of resigned to getting it in some form and hopefully it will be mild and pass quickly but who knows?