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Former Former

Former Former wrote: »

As the UK's official death toll closes in on Italy, and their actual death toll is likely already much higher, Boris is giving himself a pat on the back that they avoided the absolute worst case scenario.

He's unbelievable.

If Boris was wrong about this then what else has he been wrong about?

If EU countries manage their covid response better than Great Britain then what else are they better at?

These are questions the Tory party, the right wing media and much of the voting public in England simply don't want to acknowledge. Denial is a much easier means of answering failure and so half the country are partaking in an unprecedented level of denial despite the unprecedented cost of their failure.

The nationalism and sense of cultural superiority which has rallied around Brexit is facing it's first, serious, dose of reality and responding by pretending everything is fine and is that really surprising? I don't think it is.

If they keep going like this they will fail as a country. They joined the EU as the sick man of Europe and once again as they leave - they are looking extremely unwell.

Zzippy wrote: »

He learned from Trump. Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the "truth"...

They are stretching the limits of this strategy at the moment.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/29/politics/jared-kushner-coronavirus-success-story/index.html

Neil3030 wrote: »

So brace yourselves, because it's entirely plausible the UK will emerge quite efficiently from their lockdown, and Boris will be hailed a hero.

Maybe. They are emerging as a country of extreme bootlickers, but at the same time I'm seeing a lot of failure and incompetence from this government and it takes a lot of effort to keep bull****ting over the cracks. The media can convince their supporters that they are all a great bunch of captain Tom's but the reality of a weak government will eventually becomes obvious to everyone. It appears to be very gradually happening in the US but the UK are not quite as slow on the uptake.

prawnsambo

An interesting development is that Piers Morgan; a long time supporter of Johnson and his government (as well as Trump) has done a complete volte face and is now becoming a very vocal critic of the government's handling of the crisis. And also of Trump's btw. To the point that Trump has unfollowed him on Twitter. Strange times.

Neil3030

Deleted User wrote: »

Maybe. They are emerging as a country of extreme bootlickers, but at the same time I'm seeing a lot of failure and incompetence from this government and it takes a lot of effort to keep bull****ting over the cracks. The media can convince their supporters that they are all a great bunch of captain Tom's but the reality of a weak government will eventually becomes obvious to everyone. It appears to be very gradually happening in the US but the UK are not quite as slow on the uptake.

Think of your average Brit, currently in lockdown with their family, waiting to get back to work, doesn't pay much attention to the news, doesn't know anybody who died of Covid. They'll be back working soon, maintaining their social distancing, wearing a mask, etc., and in a few months to a year, the vaccine or herd immunity will bring everything back to normal.

How are they going to learn of the reality of their weak government? What specific experiences will awaken this person to Boris et al's failure and incompetence in the early stages of the pandemic?

At least Trump made it easy by telling people to drink bleach, and rage-quitting the briefings.

Neil3030

Neil3030 wrote: »

Think of your average Brit, currently in lockdown with their family, waiting to get back to work, doesn't pay much attention to the news, doesn't know anybody who died of Covid. They'll be back working soon, maintaining their social distancing, wearing a mask, etc., and in a few months to a year, the vaccine or herd immunity will bring everything back to normal.

How are they going to learn of the reality of their weak government? What specific experiences will awaken this person to Boris et al's failure and incompetence in the early stages of the pandemic?

At least Trump made it easy by telling people to drink bleach, and rage-quitting the briefings.

In time the cost of the tragedy will be unavoidable and long before that opportunists within the Tory part will look to set themselves aside. They are in pure populist territory now, a complete house of cards.

On a separate note however, I've just seen this quote from today's press conference:

We’ve so far succeeded in the first and most important task we set ourselves as a nation, to avoid the tragedy that engulfed other parts of the world

I know it's charter breaking but what an incomprehensible **** Boris Johnson is. Imagine being responsible for thousands of deaths and saying something this out of touch.

Dave_The_Sheep

It's not out of touch. It's just straight up lying to make his supporters think that he's doing well, to provoke national pride and say "look we're still better than the rest of the world, Great Britain yay!".

There's no evidence so far that it doesn't work, too.

I hope it changes, and it might, but until how it has worked for him and gotten him into Number 10, so why would he stop?

(I realise you know all this, yes)

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