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CoVid-19 Part VIII - 292 cases ROI (2 deaths) 62 in NI (as of 17th March) *Read OP*

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  • #9002
    ArchXStanton
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭ArchXStanton


    Getting loads of WhatsApp messages from Chinese sellers I used to deal with, no hello or anything just a picture of a N95 masks, shrewd business people them Chinese.

    According to one, some head doctor over there said they would be finished with the virus by the end of the month...


  • #9003
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    Whats the story with hotter countries, like Nigeria, India ... they don't seem to have that many cases, I know they wouldn't be testing much, but it's about a month since the 1st official case appeared in Nigeria - surely there would be some unexplained deaths - from flu like illnesses that would make them test more ?

    Or could it be the heat here making it less transmissible ?

    There probably 50 other diseases worse that youd catch there.

    Maybe covid is scared of ebola


  • #9004
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    When is today's media briefing by HSE?


  • #9005
    bekker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 912 ✭✭✭bekker


    KGLady wrote: »
    Waiting on a test for myself and our youngest who is 7. She's been sick, at one stage worringly bad and thats despite being healthy kid all round. She went from a tickley throat and annoying feeling in her head (not quite full headache) last week, to a point where she had an inverse temperature thing going on, where she was cold to touch turned pale white and was throwing up. The cough she has is dry and she's out of breath if there's no windows open, also complains of pains in her chest when active and also on the top of her belly (diaphram). When we are outside in the garden she feels so much better and is more alert. She's not once had a temp over 36 so far.

    Aside from the scary cold body vomiting episode which lasted a few hours on Sat night, she's in good form. Back eating though less than usual and quite happy overall. I've been about 2 days behind her in symptoms and so we're waiting on the call from the HSE since Monday. Himself and our older two kids are both grand. She's had mild pneumonia once before, unsure if that contributed to her being symptomatic, but looking forward to getting her tested so we can have her lungs given a decent checking over.
    Did HSE advise your daughter and yourself to self-isolation regime from the rest of the family, use separate sets utensils etc. Have you been provided with masks?

    Not suggesting above is necessary in your case, just seeking to find out what HSE SOP* is for suspected cases awaiting testing, or waiting for results of tests, as an increasing backlog appears to be building up.

    *standard operating procedure


  • #9006
    STB.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,380 ✭✭✭STB.


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Herd immunity has been suspended because most experts are in the pocket of big pharma. They want us to sit around for 18 months so none of us have any immunity to it and then they'll sell their vaccine to the entire planet.

    Unchecked, 10% of positive tests require hospitalisation. Actual numbers of infected are believed to be at least 15x higher than positive tests.

    So 0.6% of infected require hospitalization. We can identify most of those - elderly, diabetes etc. Put these people in very effective isolation and you can easily reduce the amount of people requiring hospitalisation 10-fold.

    Then you let the virus run through the population, 0.06% of infected will require hospitalisation. It won't be all at once, most will recover quickly, we can handle that. 99.94% of infected will get no worse than a flu.

    In 6 months time most of us will have caught it. A test to identify if you are immune and non-spreading will be over-the-counter, cheap and widely available. You can begin lifting the isolation one group at a time. They will still need to practice social distancing but their family members can all get a test to see if they are immune and non-spreading. We can wear colored badges to notify others that we are immune.

    So most coming out of isolation will not get it. The damage to the economy and daily life will be minimal.


    See ALL this. This is horseshít. It's made up unsubstantiated rubbish in your head and it is dangerous misinformation.


    The source of the virus is unknown.

    The asymptomatic nature of the virus is already known.

    The ability to pass it on regardless exists regardless.

    The effects of the re-occurence of the virus are unknown. The ability for it to re-occur is already known.

    The effectiveness of having the antibodies is unknown.

    There is more than one strain which most certainly is and has mutated.

    There is no vaccine and no guarantees that there will be one in "6 months"


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  • #9007
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    ArchXStanton wrote: »
    Getting loads of WhatsApp messages from Chinese sellers I used to deal with, no hello or anything just a picture of a N95 masks, shrewd business people them Chinese.

    According to one, some head doctor over there said they would be finished with the virus by the end of the month...

    I mean if you cant trust that definite source of infallible information...


  • #9008
    Spook_ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,896 ✭✭✭✭Spook_ie


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    :D:D:D:D that should say WALK !!!

    Well now, wonder why your autocorrect did that then?


  • #9009
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    daheff wrote: »
    You know that Ireland has one of the highest rates of asthma in the world, right? something like 400K people in Ireland currently have asthma (About 10%)

    so basically you want to give 400K of the population (9%) a virus that could and probably will kill them.
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    No, I don't "basically want to" do that. Can you read? Those in high-risk categories would be placed in effective quarantine - elderly, asmathic, immune-comprimised etc. It will be a large number of people.


  • #9010
    tromtipp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 264 ✭✭tromtipp


    Funkfield wrote: »
    Looks like tromtipp was talking $hite. I wonder why? No need for it.




    the word you were looking for was sense, or maybe science. Don't be so naive (or so rude).


  • #9011
    iwillyeah1234
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭iwillyeah1234


    kevcos wrote: »
    But but Taiwan were the poster boys of the Shutdown, I just refuse to believe cases are rising there!

    staged clampdown, to "flatten the curve"

    basically the idea is , you clamp down HARD , to prevent the peak.

    Then give folks a chance to go out and get supplies etc for a few days -ease off for a few days.

    Then clamp down hard again.


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  • #9012
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    Funsterdelux wrote: »
    There probably 50 other diseases worse that youd catch there.

    Maybe covid is scared of ebola

    Id love to know, the warming season could really improve things if this is indeed seasonal like other corona viruses.


  • #9013
    plodder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,769 ✭✭✭plodder


    josip wrote: »
    At this stage it might actually be better for them to stick with it and there's a chance they reach herd immunity.

    The worst option would be to try for herd immunity and after a couple of weeks to give up and change to trying to slow the spread.
    Then you've no chance of achieving either.
    The text of what the Dutch PM said in announcing the policy is at the link below:

    https://nltimes.nl/2020/03/16/coronavirus-full-text-prime-minister-ruttes-national-address-english

    Seems like they are aiming for a middle path between letting it run unchecked and "endlessly trying to stop it" while assuming that their health system can cope with the path they have chosen.

    No idea whether it is the right decision, but it does explain why different countries are taking slightly different paths, based on the perceived strength and resilience of their healthcare systems.


  • #9014
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    billybonkers wrote: »
    Ryanair to ground most flights from Tuesday next

    ''Ryanair will ground most, if not all, of its flights by next Tuesday, it said, adding that between now and then its flight schedules will be cut by over 80 per cent.''

    Source here


  • #9015
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,311 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
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    No, I don't "basically want to" do that. Can you read? Those in high-risk categories would be placed in effective quarantine - elderly, asmathic, immune-comprimised etc. It will be a large number of people.

    You don't have the faintest clue what you're talking about.


  • #9016
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,247 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Deleted User wrote: »
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    No, I don't "basically want to" do that. Can you read? Those in high-risk categories would be placed in effective quarantine - elderly, asmathic, immune-comprimised etc. It will be a large number of people.

    Herd immunity only works if vast majority are immune or vaccinated. No evidence it works when no one is.


  • #9017
    Nermal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,836 ✭✭✭Nermal


    BLIZZARD7 wrote: »
    Big increase in Taiwan today, +23 to 100 cases in total
    wakka12 wrote: »
    Biggest jump in Singapore in a while , nearly 30 new cases.

    Suppression is not a solution.


  • #9018
    Naggdefy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,981 ✭✭✭Naggdefy


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    yeah don't f*cking remind me ... im in the epicentre here can't even go out for a ****

    Isn't **** in isolation allowed in Spain?


  • #9019
    lak
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37 ✭lak


    Deleted User wrote: »
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    No, I don't "basically want to" do that. Can you read? Those in high-risk categories would be placed in effective quarantine - elderly, asmathic, immune-comprimised etc. It will be a large number of people.

    Where would they put half a million people who might need emergency treatment at any moment.


  • #9020
    Hamsterchops
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,599 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    lak wrote: »
    They'll do what they always do, wait till England tell them what to do.

    That's not true. Devolved assemblies are free to make their own decisions, hence Scotland & Wales have already named Friday as school closure day, and I suspect NI will follow hot on their heels.

    Don't know when the English schools will close?


  • #9021
    el Fenomeno
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,560 ✭✭✭el Fenomeno


    I assume this mortgage repayments deferral/holiday or whatever is most appropriate to call it isn't a blanket thing. They'll only allow it to people who can prove they can't repay currently due to loss of employment or income, right?


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  • #9022
    Funkfield
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,602 ✭✭✭Funkfield


    Naggdefy wrote: »
    Isn't **** in isolation allowed in Spain?

    You're thinking of paella, not ****


  • #9023
    whisky_galore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,032 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    Whats the story with hotter countries, like Nigeria, India ... they don't seem to have that many cases, I know they wouldn't be testing much, but it's about a month since the 1st official case appeared in Nigeria - surely there would be some unexplained deaths - from flu like illnesses that would make them test more ?

    Or could it be the heat here making it less transmissible ?

    I suspect with Africa at any rate, on average people aren't as long lived as in Europe, Asia or North America. The vulnerable demographic are killed off by poor nutrition and harsh living conditions.


  • #9024
    Cw85
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 251 ✭✭Cw85


    Correct, only those affected. I'm sure most who are still working and earning a wage would be happy to continue on paying rather than delaying.


  • #9025
    Rob A. Bank
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


    iwillyeah1234 wrote: »
    staged clampdown, to "flatten the curve"

    basically the idea is , you clamp down HARD , to prevent the peak.

    Then give folks a chance to go out and get supplies etc for a few days -ease off for a few days.

    Then clamp down hard again.

    This 'staged clampdown' crap came from the same 'modeling' which produced the 'herd immunity' discredited nonsense ?

    The notion that you can control the exponential spread of a new virus, seems to me like wishful thinking. So much is still unknown about this virus, not to mention what may happen if there are mutations.


  • #9026
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,030 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    Whats the story with hotter countries, like Nigeria, India ... they don't seem to have that many cases, I know they wouldn't be testing much, but it's about a month since the 1st official case appeared in Nigeria - surely there would be some unexplained deaths - from flu like illnesses that would make them test more ?

    Or could it be the heat here making it less transmissible ?

    I fear that testing and reporting in some countries is quite a bit off from what it should be.


  • #9027
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,708 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    yeah don't f*cking remind me ... im in the epicentre here can't even go out for a ****
    Hector Savage wrote: »
    :D:D:D:D that should say WALK !!!

    But now we all know what you're really thinking of. :pac:


  • #9028
    kevcos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭kevcos


    The one of the worst symptoms of Covid19 is finding yourself repeatably returning to this thread reading absolute horse sh!te.

    I'm simultaneously wondering if I should increase or reduce my anxiety level on the opinion of internet strangers.

    Anyway, see you all after Coronation street xox.


  • #9029
    bekker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 912 ✭✭✭bekker


    Hamsterchops wrote: »
    That's not true. Devolved assemblies are free to make their own decisions, hence Scotland & Wales have already named Friday as school closure day, and I suspect NI will follow hot on their heels.

    Don't know when the English schools will close?
    Not exactly correct, once block grant is allocated from central government it's true regional assemblies have control over it.

    But for example, if the Executive in the North were to decide to close the schools they would have to pay teachers salaries, and all other consequential cost from the existing block grant.

    If is is a decision of central government to close then it would be funded separately from the block grant.


  • #9030
    Hrududu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,712 ✭✭✭Hrududu


    Sorry this is no useful addition to the thread but I'm still laughing at the post where the guy was hoping that the testers were disinfecting between testing people.

    "Eh Brian, do you think we should be washing our hands between tests? No me neither"

    Thanks for cheering me up.


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  • #9031
    Ulysses Gaze
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    Deleted User wrote: »
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    No, I don't "basically want to" do that. Can you read? Those in high-risk categories would be placed in effective quarantine - elderly, asmathic, immune-comprimised etc. It will be a large number of people.

    How long for?


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