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CoVid-19 Part VIII - 292 cases ROI (2 deaths) 62 in NI (as of 17th March) *Read OP*

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  • #8912
    Gynoid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭Gynoid


    expectationlost wrote: »
    Coronavirus can persist in air for hours and on surfaces for days: study https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-study/coronavirus-can-persist-in-air-for-hours-and-on-surfaces-for-days-study-idUSKBN2143QP are its spreading somewhat inexplicably

    That is an interesting article from yesterday. Is it not then essentially ''airborne'', that most dreaded of terms? Airborne at least partially? I don't know.

    But another interesting thing mentioned in that article is that it survives only 46 minutes on copper, which is one of the lowest surface survival rates. I read an article yesterday about how health facilities used to use a lot of copper for that very reason, door handles, vessels etc. It is being looked at again in modern times. Especially re control of MRSA. In some countries copper drinking vessels are considered good to prevent bacterial build up and to confer all sorts of other health benefits.


  • #8913
    Hedgehod55
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 ✭Hedgehod55


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Herd immunity has been suspended because most experts are in the pocket of big pharma. They want us to sit around for 18 months so none of us have any immunity to it and then they'll sell their vaccine to the entire planet.

    Unchecked, 10% of positive tests require hospitalisation. Actual numbers of infected are believed to be at least 15x higher than positive tests.

    So 0.6% of infected require hospitalization. We can identify most of those - elderly, diabetes etc. Put these people in very effective isolation and you can easily reduce the amount of people requiring hospitalisation 10-fold.

    Then you let the virus run through the population, 0.06% of infected will require hospitalisation. It won't be all at once, most will recover quickly, we can handle that. 99.94% of infected will get no worse than a flu.

    In 6 months time most of us will have caught it. A test to identify if you are immune and non-spreading will be over-the-counter, cheap and widely available. You can begin lifting the isolation one group at a time. They will still need to practice social distancing but their family members can all get a test to see if they are immune and non-spreading. We can wear colored badges to notify others that we are immune.

    So most coming out of isolation will not get it. The damage to the economy and daily life will be minimal.



    Can someone contact the WHO and leading medical experts and let them know that tweotwawki has it all figured out? They'll be very relieved to know he's put in literally minutes and minutes of research on the issue.


  • #8914
    Keyzer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,331 ✭✭✭Keyzer


    People complaining about Leo's speech last night are clearly bat soup crazy...


  • #8915
    Rob A. Bank
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


    A good interview with the very impressive Dr Bruce Aylward, the World Health Organization expert who helped defeat a recent Ebola epidemic in Africa and who has almost defeated Polio worldwide. He was the team lead of WHO-China joint mission on Covid-19 recently.

    His point at 15.25 minutes into the interview, about sloppy efforts in the country next door, is very relevant to Ireland right now.



  • #8916
    moonlighting_1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 135 ✭✭moonlighting_1


    more from italy looks bleak for health care workers



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  • #8917
    Funkfield
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,602 ✭✭✭Funkfield


    tromtipp wrote: »
    sorry, I'm sure everyone else has already said this and I'm late to the party, but Dettol doesn't kill viruses, dilute Dettol certainly doesn't kill Covid19, and any basin left for days for people to stick their hands in will become germ soup very quickly.



    It's hard to think of a more efficient way of spreading infection.

    I thought Dettol was good against previous? This is according to their website though.

    Is that all toss?


  • #8918
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,311 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Herd immunity has been suspended because most experts are in the pocket of big pharma. They want us to sit around for 18 months so none of us have any immunity to it and then they'll sell their vaccine to the entire planet.

    Conspiracy theory forum >>>


  • #8919
    TheValeyard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,400 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Funkfield wrote: »
    I thought Dettol was good against previous? This is according to their website though.

    Is that all toss?

    That .1% dettol cant kill...... :D

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • #8920
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    tromtipp wrote: »
    sorry, I'm sure everyone else has already said this and I'm late to the party, but Dettol doesn't kill viruses, dilute Dettol certainly doesn't kill Covid19, and any basin left for days for people to stick their hands in will become germ soup very quickly.

    Information directly from Dettol:

    https://www.dettol.ie/about-us/understanding-coronavirus/
    Does Dettol kill the Coronavirus (COVID-19)?
    2019 Novel Coronavirus (COVID-19) is a new strain of coronavirus. It is not yet available for commercial testing.

    Specific Dettol products have demonstrated effectiveness (>99.9% inactivation) against coronavirus strains from the same family as the 2019 Novel Coronavirus (COVID-19) in third party laboratory testing, when used in accordance with the directions for use. These products are: Dettol Antibacterial Surface Cleanser Spray, Dettol Antibacterial Surface Cleanser Wipes, Dettol All-In-One Disinfectant Spray, and Dettol Disinfectant Liquid.


  • #8921
    DOCARCH
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,887 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    Keyzer wrote: »
    People complaining about Leo's speech last night are clearly bat soup crazy...

    Please don't mention bats!


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  • #8922
    facehugger99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,825 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Herd immunity has been suspended because most experts are in the pocket of big pharma. They want us to sit around for 18 months so none of us have any immunity to it and then they'll sell their vaccine to the entire planet.

    Unchecked, 10% of positive tests require hospitalisation. Actual numbers of infected are believed to be at least 15x higher than positive tests.

    So 0.6% of infected require hospitalization. We can identify most of those - elderly, diabetes etc. Put these people in very effective isolation and you can easily reduce the amount of people requiring hospitalisation 10-fold.

    Then you let the virus run through the population, 0.06% of infected will require hospitalisation. It won't be all at once, most will recover quickly, we can handle that. 99.94% of infected will get no worse than a flu.

    In 6 months time most of us will have caught it. A test to identify if you are immune and non-spreading will be over-the-counter, cheap and widely available. You can begin lifting the isolation one group at a time. They will still need to practice social distancing but their family members can all get a test to see if they are immune and non-spreading. We can wear colored badges to notify others that we are immune.

    So most coming out of isolation will not get it. The damage to the economy and daily life will be minimal.

    Unfortunately, sensible posts like this will see you labelled a granny-killer.


  • #8923
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,247 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Now that I have heard that this is controlled by big pharma, how long before endless posts of weed is only cure.


  • #8924
    Ulysses Gaze
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Herd immunity has been suspended because most experts are in the pocket of big pharma. They want us to sit around for 18 months so none of us have any immunity to it and then they'll sell their vaccine to the entire planet.

    Unchecked, 10% of positive tests require hospitalisation. Actual numbers of infected are believed to be at least 15x higher than positive tests.

    So 0.6% of infected require hospitalization. We can identify most of those - elderly, diabetes etc. Put these people in very effective isolation and you can easily reduce the amount of people requiring hospitalisation 10-fold.

    Then you let the virus run through the population, 0.06% of infected will require hospitalisation. It won't be all at once, most will recover quickly, we can handle that. 99.94% of infected will get no worse than a flu.

    In 6 months time most of us will have caught it. A test to identify if you are immune and non-spreading will be over-the-counter, cheap and widely available. You can begin lifting the isolation one group at a time. They will still need to practice social distancing but their family members can all get a test to see if they are immune and non-spreading. We can wear colored badges to notify others that we are immune.

    So most coming out of isolation will not get it. The damage to the economy and daily life will be minimal.

    Didn't current CSA to the British Government Patrick Vallance, who advocated Herd Immunity, used to run the R&D Division of GSK?


  • #8925
    Funkfield
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,602 ✭✭✭Funkfield


    TheValeyard wrote: »
    That .1% dettol cant kill...... :D

    Well, yeah, but they have to say that.

    But seriously? Dettol has been effective against previous strains to 99.9% (or whatever) according to them. I was happy to be disinfecting with it.


  • #8926
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    10000maniacs wrote: »
    Well, using a Corona virus press conference as a platform for that type of crap.
    And he called it the "Chinese" virus in the same conference.
    Not sure if you were being sarky, but he is a knob.

    He'll still probably win re-election. No-on does Stockholm Syndrome better than the US electorate. "He may be an awful president, but he's our awful president."


  • #8927
    iwillyeah1234
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭iwillyeah1234


    UK cases have jumped by 676. The biggest jump so far.

    Announcement on schools to be made at 5pm in the House of Commons.


  • #8928
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Herd immunity has been suspended because most experts are in the pocket of big pharma. They want us to sit around for 18 months so none of us have any immunity to it and then they'll sell their vaccine to the entire planet.

    Fortunately tinfoil hats have proved to be completely corona-resistent*.


    * Completely unproven by anyone anywhere anytime.


  • #8929
    ax530
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 492 ✭✭ax530


    Refractions wrote: »
    There doesnt seem to be any hard and fast rules, just limit your movements. My daughter is showing symptoms and even though kids ‘aren’t supposed to get it’ they’re testing her anyway and have told us all not to leave the house until results are back. So i guess dont go to work and self-isolate.
    at what stage did you call the Dr to arrange test for your daughter ?
    I have noticed mine coughing a lot today sounds like a dry cough she is not complaining actually does not seem to realise she is coughing. We have been at home since last Thursday so basically in self isolation but I was not planning on calling the Dr unless she feels unwell is that the right thing to do ?


  • #8930
    Cee-Jay-Cee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,235 ✭✭✭✭Cee-Jay-Cee


    keps wrote: »
    A lot of taxi drivers are out of work/pay as there are no customers


    The Gov should engage with the Taxi Union and pay the drivers to do Home deliveries of essentials

    Ah god love them, there is no such thing as a poor taxi driver, they have been creaming it for years, they'll manage fine.


  • #8931
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Ulysses Gaze wrote: »
    Didn't current CSA to the British Government Patrick Vallance, who advocated Herd Immunity, used to run the R&D Division of GSK?
    Conspiracy theory forum >>>


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  • #8932
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,147 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    People must really think Covid 9 makes you lose control of your bowels. There are crazy amounts of toilet roll leaving supermarkets


  • #8933
    moonlighting_1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 135 ✭✭moonlighting_1


    another update from italy The number of healthcare professionals infected with coronavirus in Italy has risen to 2,629, or 8.3% of total cases

    https://www.ansa.it/english/news/general_news/2020/03/18/coronavirus-2629-infected-docs-nurses_1bc5c6dc-baf0-467c-9ac8-e08bead819e0.html


  • #8934
    Balmed Out
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,738 ✭✭✭Balmed Out


    ax530 wrote: »
    at what stage did you call the Dr to arrange test for your daughter ?
    I have noticed mine coughing a lot today sounds like a dry cough she is not complaining actually does not seem to realise she is coughing. We have been at home since last Thursday so basically in self isolation but I was not planning on calling the Dr unless she feels unwell is that the right thing to do ?

    My daughter coughed all February and son on course to cough all March its just something else that's been going around long before coronavirus.


  • #8935
    pH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,188 ✭✭✭pH


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Herd immunity has been suspended because most experts are in the pocket of big pharma. They want us to sit around for 18 months so none of us have any immunity to it and then they'll sell their vaccine to the entire planet.

    Unchecked, 10% of positive tests require hospitalisation. Actual numbers of infected are believed to be at least 15x higher than positive tests.

    So 0.6% of infected require hospitalization. We can identify most of those - elderly, diabetes etc. Put these people in very effective isolation and you can easily reduce the amount of people requiring hospitalisation 10-fold.

    Then you let the virus run through the population, 0.06% of infected will require hospitalisation. It won't be all at once, most will recover quickly, we can handle that. 99.94% of infected will get no worse than a flu.

    In 6 months time most of us will have caught it. A test to identify if you are immune and non-spreading will be over-the-counter, cheap and widely available. You can begin lifting the isolation one group at a time. They will still need to practice social distancing but their family members can all get a test to see if they are immune and non-spreading. We can wear colored badges to notify others that we are immune.

    So most coming out of isolation will not get it. The damage to the economy and daily life will be minimal.

    Your figures are wrong.

    rates.jpg
    (when you apply these figures to irish demographics you get a case fatality rate of 1% with a further 4% of cases requiring critical care in hospital.)

    There are also estimates (from around the world) that ANOTHER 15% of those infected will need some sort of hospital care (but not ICU) whilst they are ill.

    The CFR for a population like ours is expected to be around 1% IF AND ONLY IF another 4% of people requiring critical care hospitalization receive it. If this other 4% starts exceeding the capacity of the health service then many of them will die too.

    But you are correct, we could start a massive undertaking of identifying and moving old and vulnerable people to secure locations where they could be cared for and isolated for 6-8 weeks and everyone else could get on with getting infected - it is certainly is an option, but something tells me it won't go down well with the general public.


  • #8936
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    tromtipp wrote: »
    sorry, I'm sure everyone else has already said this and I'm late to the party, but Dettol doesn't kill viruses, dilute Dettol certainly doesn't kill Covid19, and any basin left for days for people to stick their hands in will become germ soup very quickly.



    It's hard to think of a more efficient way of spreading infection.

    I wondered about Dettol too so looked it up.

    https://www.dettol.co.uk/about-us/understanding-coronavirus/

    I do have dettol. I have wipes in a sealed bag soaking in Dettol for wiping door handles etc (couldn't get any Milton), but I wouldn't be having a bowl of Dettolly water sitting there for days - anyone who gets past my front door will be sent straight to a sink where they will find a bar of carbolic soap and paper towels.


  • #8937
    iwillyeah1234
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭iwillyeah1234


    i can't post links yet, but do a google for "covid 19 track uk cases" - the top link should take you to a map of the UK and where the cases are.

    London BY FAR, has the biggest number. 621 - which does lend itself to how Corona spreads - large crowds, crowded Tube trains, lots of people flying in from different countries etc etc.

    In my view , London should be treated like Italy - no flights in or out.


  • #8938
    fr336
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    Does anyone remember the biologist on the Channel 4 documentary at the very beginning of this fearful time in February who said that by the end of Feb the UK could be on Wuhan levels? Well he may have been a bit out but he certainly knew where this all was headed unfortunately. And the news is he today tested positive himself (but doing fine).


  • #8939
    Hedgehod55
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 ✭Hedgehod55


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    Unfortunately, sensible posts like this will see you labelled a granny-killer.

    You really should make better use of your free time while the schools are closed.


  • #8940
    Funkfield
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,602 ✭✭✭Funkfield


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    I wondered about Dettol too so looked it up.

    https://www.dettol.co.uk/about-us/understanding-coronavirus/

    I do have dettol. I have wipes in a sealed bag soaking in Dettol for wiping door handles etc (couldn't get any Milton), but I wouldn't be having a bowl of Dettolly water sitting there for days - anyone who gets past my front door will be sent straight to a sink where they will find a bar of carbolic soap and paper towels.

    Looks like tromtipp was talking $hite. I wonder why? No need for it.


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  • #8941
    AllGunsBlazing
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,688 ✭✭✭AllGunsBlazing


    So across the border the NI education minister has said pregnant women should stay away from schools. More than 70% of their teachers are women....

    Close the feckin schools already you twat.


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