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CoVid-19 Part VIII - 292 cases ROI (2 deaths) 62 in NI (as of 17th March) *Read OP*

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  • #8942
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,385 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Mental.

    GP closes at lunchtime on Wed. Tried to ring before, could not get through.
    Little lad has a temp rising and now averaging 37.4, along with a worsening cough. Told that on call doctor and SouthDoc can not handle any COVID related questions.

    Am I worried? As much as anyone else would be but not overly, except that my wife is currently in the hospital as a frontline health care worker in anaesthetics. I am worried about us being vectors and taking her off the front line but have no where to get advice now.

    So... Mental


  • #8943
    iwillyeah1234
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭iwillyeah1234


    fr336 wrote: »
    Does anyone remember the biologist on the Channel 4 documentary at the very beginning of this fearful time in February who said that by the end of Feb the UK could be on Wuhan levels? Well he may have been a bit out but he certainly knew where this all was headed unfortunately. And the news is he today tested positive himself (but doing fine).

    Professor Neil Ferguson, Imperial College , London.

    And yes, he's tested positive.


  • #8944
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    https://www.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/all-banks-to-offer-payment-holidays-39055378.html

    Banks to offer mortgage 'payment holidays'.


  • #8945
    Yakult
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 7,944 Mod ✭✭✭✭Yakult


    amadangomor wrote: »
    He THEN went on to say about bringing that industry home.

    He has been saying that for years now. Will never happen. Too much money invested here by the companies, billions, that upping and leaving would never happen.


  • #8946
    josip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,748 ✭✭✭✭josip


    gabeeg wrote: »
    346 new cases in the Netherlands. 15 deaths.

    The mad fools are still going down the herd immunity route. They're in huge trouble.

    At this stage it might actually be better for them to stick with it and there's a chance they reach herd immunity.

    The worst option would be to try for herd immunity and after a couple of weeks to give up and change to trying to slow the spread.
    Then you've no chance of achieving either.


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  • #8947
    BluePlanet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,444 ✭✭✭BluePlanet


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Herd immunity has been suspended because most experts are in the pocket of big pharma. They want us to sit around for 18 months so none of us have any immunity to it and then they'll sell their vaccine to the entire planet.

    Unchecked, 10% of positive tests require hospitalisation. Actual numbers of infected are believed to be at least 15x higher than positive tests.

    So 0.6% of infected require hospitalization. We can identify most of those - elderly, diabetes etc. Put these people in very effective isolation and you can easily reduce the amount of people requiring hospitalisation 10-fold.

    Then you let the virus run through the population, 0.06% of infected will require hospitalisation. It won't be all at once, most will recover quickly, we can handle that. 99.94% of infected will get no worse than a flu.

    In 6 months time most of us will have caught it. A test to identify if you are immune and non-spreading will be over-the-counter, cheap and widely available. You can begin lifting the isolation one group at a time. They will still need to practice social distancing but their family members can all get a test to see if they are immune and non-spreading. We can wear colored badges to notify others that we are immune.

    So most coming out of isolation will not get it. The damage to the economy and daily life will be minimal.
    But we don't have evidence that recovered cases actually have long term immunity. If their immunity only lasts a couple months then the whole sh!tshow just plays out again, and again.


  • #8948
    iwillyeah1234
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭iwillyeah1234


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Mental.

    GP closes at lunchtime on Wed. Tried to ring before, could not get through.
    Little lad has a temp rising and now averaging 37.4, along with a worsening cough. Told that on call doctor and SouthDoc can not handle any COVID related questions.

    Am I worried? As much as anyone else would be but not overly, except that my wife is currently in the hospital as a frontline health care worker in anaesthetics. I am worried about us being vectors and taking her off the front line but have no where to get advice now.

    So... Mental


    Here in the UK , the advice is , if you suspect one person in your house has symptoms, you need to self isolate your entire family. Including your wife unfortunately.


  • #8949
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,449 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    maximum that can be spent on contactless cards is to be raised to €50.

    Good.


  • #8950
    KGLady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 339 ✭✭KGLady


    ax530 wrote: »
    at what stage did you call the Dr to arrange test for your daughter ?
    I have noticed mine coughing a lot today sounds like a dry cough she is not complaining actually does not seem to realise she is coughing. We have been at home since last Thursday so basically in self isolation but I was not planning on calling the Dr unless she feels unwell is that the right thing to do ?

    Waiting on a test for myself and our youngest who is 7. She's been sick, at one stage worringly bad and thats despite being healthy kid all round. She went from a tickley throat and annoying feeling in her head (not quite full headache) last week, to a point where she had an inverse temperature thing going on, where she was cold to touch turned pale white and was throwing up. The cough she has is dry and she's out of breath if there's no windows open, also complains of pains in her chest when active and also on the top of her belly (diaphram). When we are outside in the garden she feels so much better and is more alert. She's not once had a temp over 36 so far.

    Aside from the scary cold body vomiting episode which lasted a few hours on Sat night, she's in good form. Back eating though less than usual and quite happy overall. I've been about 2 days behind her in symptoms and so we're waiting on the call from the HSE since Monday. Himself and our older two kids are both grand. She's had mild pneumonia once before, unsure if that contributed to her being symptomatic, but looking forward to getting her tested so we can have her lungs given a decent checking over.


  • #8951
    Cee-Jay-Cee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,235 ✭✭✭✭Cee-Jay-Cee


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    I really hope those testers doing drive through testing disinfect between each test. Sticking their hands in people's mouths is asking for spreading covid19 if they don't get it right.

    There are a lot of dumb comments on this and the other C-19 threads but you win the award for the stupidest comment of all. Well done.


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  • #8952
    SuspectZero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 208 ✭✭SuspectZero


    Some questions some might be able to shine a light on for me. Ireland is currently seeing a doubling of cases just under every 4 days and the government is saying the model predicts it will continue like this. this infection growth rate is similar to the early days infection rate in both China and Italy where there were no controls in place for a long period of time. It was also said that the population median age in Italy was a prime cause of the high death rate and infection rate. was just looking at the datachecker graph and statistics and one sticks out.

    Japan's infection growth rate from day one was a doubling every 7 days, Japan also has the highest median age in the entire world yet it has the second lowest infection rate in the world, this even though social distancing and banning of mass gatherings weren't put into place until 51 days after patient zero was discovered in Japan.

    So why despite more stricter measures been put in place in Europe, Ireland, UK and The US earlier and harder has the infection growth rate been almost identical to places like Italy and China? And why is the growth rate in Japan been 50% slower even before strict measures were put in?


  • #8953
    Spook_ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,896 ✭✭✭✭Spook_ie


    tromtipp wrote: »
    sorry, I'm sure everyone else has already said this and I'm late to the party, but Dettol doesn't kill viruses, dilute Dettol certainly doesn't kill Covid19, and any basin left for days for people to stick their hands in will become germ soup very quickly.



    It's hard to think of a more efficient way of spreading infection.

    On a similar vein, in the absence of hand gels would Milton strerilising fluid (normal use is usually a 1.8% solution for work surfaces ), would a 10% solution help in anyway if kept in a spray bottle for people to spray on their hands?


    https://www.milton-tm.com/en/consumer/products/sterilising-fluid
    Proofs of efficacy according to European norms
    Bactericidal : in 5 minutes EN1040, EN1276 (including MRSA), EN 14561 and at 1.8% V/V EN13697.
    Fungicidal : in 15 minutes EN1275, EN 1650 and EN14562 on Candida albicans (agent responsible for thrush).
    Virucidal : in 15 minutes NF T72-180. Effective on Rotavirus and Coronavirus.


  • #8954
    Ten of Swords
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,433 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    Mod

    This thread is hard enough to mod without all the big pharma conspiracy posts being thrown into the mix too

    Fortunately we have a forum for that here

    Moderator: Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual & Transgender, Vegan & Vegetarian

    Category Moderator: Social & Fun



  • #8955
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    SuspectZero wrote: »
    Some questions some might be able to shine a light on for me. Ireland is currently seeing a doubling of cases just under every 4 days and the government is saying the model predicts it will continue like this. this infection growth rate is similar to the early days infection rate in both China and Italy where there were no controls in place for a long period of time. It was also said that the population median age in Italy was a prime cause of the high death rate and infection rate. was just looking at the datachecker graph and statistics and one sticks out.

    Japan's infection growth rate from day one was a doubling every 7 days, Japan also has the highest median age in the entire world yet it has the second lowest infection rate in the world, this even though social distancing and banning of mass gatherings weren't put into place until 51 days after patient zero was discovered in Japan.

    So why despite more stricter measures been put in place in Europe, Ireland, UK and The US earlier and harder has the infection growth rate been almost identical to places like Italy and China? And why is the growth rate in Japan been 50% slower even before strict measures were put in?

    Look up how many tests Japan are doing, its the lowest rate of testing in the world after USA


  • #8956
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It’s Italy we should all be following. We are were they were 3 weeks ago. So they’ll give us an idea of what’s ahead. Thankfully we shut things a bit sooner so will hopefully do a bit better.
    Their numbers seem to be levelling.
    Let’s see what today brings from Italy.


  • #8957
    mloc123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭mloc123


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    I really hope those testers doing drive through testing disinfect between each test. Sticking their hands in people's mouths is asking for spreading covid19 if they don't get it right.

    Quick, get this person in as a consultant for this crisis.

    We need to make sure that they highly trained medical staff learn as much as they can from you about limiting the spread of germs... any other words of wisdom? Maybe advise surgeons to wash their hands before cutting people open?


  • #8958
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Balmed Out wrote: »
    My daughter coughed all February and son on course to cough all March its just something else that's been going around long before coronavirus.

    Same as myself, got an awful dose in Jan for a week but the cough lasted at least 2-3 weeks.

    There is something else going around but everyone who has a cough now or temp seems to automatically think it's covid, this is why the system has such a backlog now


  • #8959
    iwillyeah1234
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭iwillyeah1234


    SuspectZero wrote: »
    Some questions some might be able to shine a light on for me. Ireland is currently seeing a doubling of cases just under every 4 days and the government is saying the model predicts it will continue like this. this infection growth rate is similar to the early days infection rate in both China and Italy where there were no controls in place for a long period of time. It was also said that the population median age in Italy was a prime cause of the high death rate and infection rate. was just looking at the datachecker graph and statistics and one sticks out.

    Japan's infection growth rate from day one was a doubling every 7 days, Japan also has the highest median age in the entire world yet it has the second lowest infection rate in the world, this even though social distancing and banning of mass gatherings weren't put into place until 51 days after patient zero was discovered in Japan.

    So why despite more stricter measures been put in place in Europe, Ireland, UK and The US earlier and harder has the infection growth rate been almost identical to places like Italy and China? And why is the growth rate in Japan been 50% slower even before strict measures were put in?

    Japan's culture is naturally socially distant.
    They bow rather than shaking hands.
    They wear face masks all the time , if they are ill ( and also to counter act pollution).

    They also don't naturally strike up friendships with outsiders. ( they aren't naturally sociable with foreigners)

    Japan's culture is probably what , inadvertently, saved them.


  • #8960
    facehugger99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,825 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    SuspectZero wrote: »

    So why despite more stricter measures been put in place in Europe, Ireland, UK and The US earlier and harder has the infection growth rate been almost identical to places like Italy and China? And why is the growth rate in Japan been 50% slower even before strict measures were put in?

    One obvious answer is that the measures are having fcuk all affect on the infection rate.

    They are through having an incredible affect on the economy - 340,000 predicted to be out of work by the end of the week - numbers that Covid19 could only dream of.


  • #8961
    blade1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭blade1


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Conspiracy theory forum >>>

    That's not really a conspiracy theory forum.
    It's a trap disguised as a forum to get all your information so they can hunt you down :D


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  • #8962
    daheff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,030 ✭✭✭daheff


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Herd immunity has been suspended because most experts are in the pocket of big pharma. They want us to sit around for 18 months so none of us have any immunity to it and then they'll sell their vaccine to the entire planet.

    Unchecked, 10% of positive tests require hospitalisation. Actual numbers of infected are believed to be at least 15x higher than positive tests.

    So 0.6% of infected require hospitalization. We can identify most of those - elderly, diabetes etc. Put these people in very effective isolation and you can easily reduce the amount of people requiring hospitalisation 10-fold.

    Then you let the virus run through the population, 0.06% of infected will require hospitalisation. It won't be all at once, most will recover quickly, we can handle that. 99.94% of infected will get no worse than a flu.

    In 6 months time most of us will have caught it. A test to identify if you are immune and non-spreading will be over-the-counter, cheap and widely available. You can begin lifting the isolation one group at a time. They will still need to practice social distancing but their family members can all get a test to see if they are immune and non-spreading. We can wear colored badges to notify others that we are immune.

    So most coming out of isolation will not get it. The damage to the economy and daily life will be minimal.

    You know that Ireland has one of the highest rates of asthma in the world, right? something like 400K people in Ireland currently have asthma (About 10%)

    so basically you want to give 400K of the population (9%) a virus that could and probably will kill them.


  • #8963
    US2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭US2


    You can be sure its mostly hypochondriacs clogging up the testing labs. Plenty of them on here too .


  • #8964
    murpho999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,765 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    gabeeg wrote: »
    346 new cases in the Netherlands. 15 deaths.

    The mad fools are still going down the herd immunity route. They're in huge trouble.

    Lived there for a few years and not surprised.

    Always found them somewhat arrogant and complacent about things. Wouldn't really accept regulation or rules.

    I was in touch with a Dutch friend last night who said that closing schools is pointless in Netherlands as kids don't carry or transmit the virus. I disagreed and she said that the official Dutch Health Department is saying so.

    Sure enough I went on their website and they're saying that kids are not an at risk group and they do not carry the virus and it's ok for kids to play outside with each other.

    Here's a link.
    Link above in Dutch but it can be translated.

    How can they have such a different message and thinking on this than us?

    Also, if true, why have the Dutch now close all schools?


  • #8965
    Volthar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭Volthar


    Yakult wrote: »
    He has been saying that for years now. Will never happen. Too much money invested here by the companies, billions, that upping and leaving would never happen.

    I agree too much money invested here. Literally billions and billions and billions!
    https://bit.ly/2x2y9cS


  • #8966
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    KGLady wrote: »
    Waiting on a test for myself and our youngest who is 7. She's been sick, at one stage worringly bad and thats despite being healthy kid all round. She went from a tickley throat and annoying feeling in her head (not quite full headache) last week, to a point where she had an inverse temperature thing going on, where she was cold to touch turned pale white and was throwing up. The cough she has is dry and she's out of breath if there's no windows open, also complains of pains in her chest when active and also on the top of her belly (diaphram). When we are outside in the garden she feels so much better and is more alert. She's not once had a temp over 36 so far.

    Aside from the scary cold body vomiting episode which lasted a few hours on Sat night, she's in good form. Back eating though less than usual and quite happy overall. I've been about 2 days behind her in symptoms and so we're waiting on the call from the HSE since Monday. Himself and our older two kids are both grand. She's had mild pneumonia once before, unsure if that contributed to her being symptomatic, but looking forward to getting her tested so we can have her lungs given a decent checking over.

    The only bit of comfort that i would take albeit not pleasant is the vomiting, that isn't a symptom of covid, also the temp isn't over 38.

    Hopefully just one of the normal doses that does the sounds.


  • #8967
    Spideog Rua
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 532 ✭✭✭Spideog Rua


    SuspectZero wrote: »
    Some questions some might be able to shine a light on for me. Ireland is currently seeing a doubling of cases just under every 4 days and the government is saying the model predicts it will continue like this. this infection growth rate is similar to the early days infection rate in both China and Italy where there were no controls in place for a long period of time. It was also said that the population median age in Italy was a prime cause of the high death rate and infection rate. was just looking at the datachecker graph and statistics and one sticks out.

    Japan's infection growth rate from day one was a doubling every 7 days, Japan also has the highest median age in the entire world yet it has the second lowest infection rate in the world, this even though social distancing and banning of mass gatherings weren't put into place until 51 days after patient zero was discovered in Japan.

    So why despite more stricter measures been put in place in Europe, Ireland, UK and The US earlier and harder has the infection growth rate been almost identical to places like Italy and China? And why is the growth rate in Japan been 50% slower even before strict measures were put in?

    We were too slow...the govt dilly dallied and dint make decisions until it was too late. Nobwe pay the price of having to wait 7 to 10 days to the spread to slow down


  • #8968
    Spook_ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,896 ✭✭✭✭Spook_ie


    Ulysses Gaze wrote: »
    Didn't current CSA to the British Government Patrick Vallance, who advocated Herd Immunity, used to run the R&D Division of GSK?

    But wasn't it also pushed by their CMO

    https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-who-are-chris-whitty-and-sir-patrick-vallance-11958237
    Right at the top of the tree of all science advisers is Professor Chris Whitty.

    He is simultaneously England's chief medical officer and the UK department of health's top scientific adviser.

    Luckily he is an epidemiologist - meaning his specialty is diseases.


  • #8969
    DeanAustin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,885 ✭✭✭DeanAustin


    daheff wrote: »
    You know that Ireland has one of the highest rates of asthma in the world, right? something like 400K people in Ireland currently have asthma (About 10%)

    so basically you want to give 400K of the population (9%) a virus that could and probably will kill them.

    I hope that's not true - I'm one of those 400k.


  • #8970
    Cee-Jay-Cee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,235 ✭✭✭✭Cee-Jay-Cee


    10000maniacs wrote: »
    Trump back to his petulant nasty self again singling out the pharmaceutical companies based in Ireland saying we need to make our drugs here in the USA.
    What a nasty piece of work.

    Yeah no problem you great orange ape, we'll just shut up shop here and start a factory in the US, can you give us until Monday to get that sorted? Cool, thanks.

    How someone so fcuking retarded could get elected as president is a sad indictment on the US electorate.


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  • #8971
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Apparently ventilators can be adapted to be used on 4 people instead of 1 , there will be cross contamination of air but if they have the same virus rewards outweigh the risk in a pinch

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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