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CoVid-19 Part VIII - 292 cases ROI (2 deaths) 62 in NI (as of 17th March) *Read OP*

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  • #8912
    iwillyeah1234
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭iwillyeah1234


    UK cases have jumped by 676. The biggest jump so far.

    Announcement on schools to be made at 5pm in the House of Commons.


  • #8913
    Graham
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,642 ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Herd immunity has been suspended because most experts are in the pocket of big pharma. They want us to sit around for 18 months so none of us have any immunity to it and then they'll sell their vaccine to the entire planet.

    Fortunately tinfoil hats have proved to be completely corona-resistent*.


    * Completely unproven by anyone anywhere anytime.


  • #8914
    ax530
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 522 ✭✭✭ax530


    Refractions wrote: »
    There doesnt seem to be any hard and fast rules, just limit your movements. My daughter is showing symptoms and even though kids ‘aren’t supposed to get it’ they’re testing her anyway and have told us all not to leave the house until results are back. So i guess dont go to work and self-isolate.
    at what stage did you call the Dr to arrange test for your daughter ?
    I have noticed mine coughing a lot today sounds like a dry cough she is not complaining actually does not seem to realise she is coughing. We have been at home since last Thursday so basically in self isolation but I was not planning on calling the Dr unless she feels unwell is that the right thing to do ?


  • #8915
    Cee-Jay-Cee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,234 ✭✭✭✭Cee-Jay-Cee


    keps wrote: »
    A lot of taxi drivers are out of work/pay as there are no customers


    The Gov should engage with the Taxi Union and pay the drivers to do Home deliveries of essentials

    Ah god love them, there is no such thing as a poor taxi driver, they have been creaming it for years, they'll manage fine.


  • #8916
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,824 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ulysses Gaze wrote: »
    Didn't current CSA to the British Government Patrick Vallance, who advocated Herd Immunity, used to run the R&D Division of GSK?
    Conspiracy theory forum >>>


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  • #8917
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,167 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    People must really think Covid 9 makes you lose control of your bowels. There are crazy amounts of toilet roll leaving supermarkets


  • #8918
    moonlighting_1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 134 ✭✭moonlighting_1


    another update from italy The number of healthcare professionals infected with coronavirus in Italy has risen to 2,629, or 8.3% of total cases

    https://www.ansa.it/english/news/general_news/2020/03/18/coronavirus-2629-infected-docs-nurses_1bc5c6dc-baf0-467c-9ac8-e08bead819e0.html


  • #8919
    Balmed Out
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,710 ✭✭✭Balmed Out


    ax530 wrote: »
    at what stage did you call the Dr to arrange test for your daughter ?
    I have noticed mine coughing a lot today sounds like a dry cough she is not complaining actually does not seem to realise she is coughing. We have been at home since last Thursday so basically in self isolation but I was not planning on calling the Dr unless she feels unwell is that the right thing to do ?

    My daughter coughed all February and son on course to cough all March its just something else that's been going around long before coronavirus.


  • #8920
    pH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,188 ✭✭✭pH


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Herd immunity has been suspended because most experts are in the pocket of big pharma. They want us to sit around for 18 months so none of us have any immunity to it and then they'll sell their vaccine to the entire planet.

    Unchecked, 10% of positive tests require hospitalisation. Actual numbers of infected are believed to be at least 15x higher than positive tests.

    So 0.6% of infected require hospitalization. We can identify most of those - elderly, diabetes etc. Put these people in very effective isolation and you can easily reduce the amount of people requiring hospitalisation 10-fold.

    Then you let the virus run through the population, 0.06% of infected will require hospitalisation. It won't be all at once, most will recover quickly, we can handle that. 99.94% of infected will get no worse than a flu.

    In 6 months time most of us will have caught it. A test to identify if you are immune and non-spreading will be over-the-counter, cheap and widely available. You can begin lifting the isolation one group at a time. They will still need to practice social distancing but their family members can all get a test to see if they are immune and non-spreading. We can wear colored badges to notify others that we are immune.

    So most coming out of isolation will not get it. The damage to the economy and daily life will be minimal.

    Your figures are wrong.

    rates.jpg
    (when you apply these figures to irish demographics you get a case fatality rate of 1% with a further 4% of cases requiring critical care in hospital.)

    There are also estimates (from around the world) that ANOTHER 15% of those infected will need some sort of hospital care (but not ICU) whilst they are ill.

    The CFR for a population like ours is expected to be around 1% IF AND ONLY IF another 4% of people requiring critical care hospitalization receive it. If this other 4% starts exceeding the capacity of the health service then many of them will die too.

    But you are correct, we could start a massive undertaking of identifying and moving old and vulnerable people to secure locations where they could be cared for and isolated for 6-8 weeks and everyone else could get on with getting infected - it is certainly is an option, but something tells me it won't go down well with the general public.


  • #8921
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,204 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    tromtipp wrote: »
    sorry, I'm sure everyone else has already said this and I'm late to the party, but Dettol doesn't kill viruses, dilute Dettol certainly doesn't kill Covid19, and any basin left for days for people to stick their hands in will become germ soup very quickly.



    It's hard to think of a more efficient way of spreading infection.

    I wondered about Dettol too so looked it up.

    https://www.dettol.co.uk/about-us/understanding-coronavirus/

    I do have dettol. I have wipes in a sealed bag soaking in Dettol for wiping door handles etc (couldn't get any Milton), but I wouldn't be having a bowl of Dettolly water sitting there for days - anyone who gets past my front door will be sent straight to a sink where they will find a bar of carbolic soap and paper towels.


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  • #8922
    iwillyeah1234
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭iwillyeah1234


    i can't post links yet, but do a google for "covid 19 track uk cases" - the top link should take you to a map of the UK and where the cases are.

    London BY FAR, has the biggest number. 621 - which does lend itself to how Corona spreads - large crowds, crowded Tube trains, lots of people flying in from different countries etc etc.

    In my view , London should be treated like Italy - no flights in or out.


  • #8923
    fr336
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    Does anyone remember the biologist on the Channel 4 documentary at the very beginning of this fearful time in February who said that by the end of Feb the UK could be on Wuhan levels? Well he may have been a bit out but he certainly knew where this all was headed unfortunately. And the news is he today tested positive himself (but doing fine).


  • #8924
    Hedgehod55
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 ✭Hedgehod55


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    Unfortunately, sensible posts like this will see you labelled a granny-killer.

    You really should make better use of your free time while the schools are closed.


  • #8925
    Funkfield
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,603 ✭✭✭Funkfield


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    I wondered about Dettol too so looked it up.

    https://www.dettol.co.uk/about-us/understanding-coronavirus/

    I do have dettol. I have wipes in a sealed bag soaking in Dettol for wiping door handles etc (couldn't get any Milton), but I wouldn't be having a bowl of Dettolly water sitting there for days - anyone who gets past my front door will be sent straight to a sink where they will find a bar of carbolic soap and paper towels.

    Looks like tromtipp was talking $hite. I wonder why? No need for it.


  • #8926
    AllGunsBlazing
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,730 ✭✭✭AllGunsBlazing


    So across the border the NI education minister has said pregnant women should stay away from schools. More than 70% of their teachers are women....

    Close the feckin schools already you twat.


  • #8927
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,756 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Mental.

    GP closes at lunchtime on Wed. Tried to ring before, could not get through.
    Little lad has a temp rising and now averaging 37.4, along with a worsening cough. Told that on call doctor and SouthDoc can not handle any COVID related questions.

    Am I worried? As much as anyone else would be but not overly, except that my wife is currently in the hospital as a frontline health care worker in anaesthetics. I am worried about us being vectors and taking her off the front line but have no where to get advice now.

    So... Mental


  • #8928
    iwillyeah1234
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭iwillyeah1234


    fr336 wrote: »
    Does anyone remember the biologist on the Channel 4 documentary at the very beginning of this fearful time in February who said that by the end of Feb the UK could be on Wuhan levels? Well he may have been a bit out but he certainly knew where this all was headed unfortunately. And the news is he today tested positive himself (but doing fine).

    Professor Neil Ferguson, Imperial College , London.

    And yes, he's tested positive.


  • #8929
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,204 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    https://www.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/all-banks-to-offer-payment-holidays-39055378.html

    Banks to offer mortgage 'payment holidays'.


  • #8930
    Yakult
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 7,943 Mod ✭✭✭✭Yakult


    amadangomor wrote: »
    He THEN went on to say about bringing that industry home.

    He has been saying that for years now. Will never happen. Too much money invested here by the companies, billions, that upping and leaving would never happen.


  • #8931
    josip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,946 ✭✭✭✭josip


    gabeeg wrote: »
    346 new cases in the Netherlands. 15 deaths.

    The mad fools are still going down the herd immunity route. They're in huge trouble.

    At this stage it might actually be better for them to stick with it and there's a chance they reach herd immunity.

    The worst option would be to try for herd immunity and after a couple of weeks to give up and change to trying to slow the spread.
    Then you've no chance of achieving either.


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  • #8932
    BluePlanet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,453 ✭✭✭BluePlanet


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Herd immunity has been suspended because most experts are in the pocket of big pharma. They want us to sit around for 18 months so none of us have any immunity to it and then they'll sell their vaccine to the entire planet.

    Unchecked, 10% of positive tests require hospitalisation. Actual numbers of infected are believed to be at least 15x higher than positive tests.

    So 0.6% of infected require hospitalization. We can identify most of those - elderly, diabetes etc. Put these people in very effective isolation and you can easily reduce the amount of people requiring hospitalisation 10-fold.

    Then you let the virus run through the population, 0.06% of infected will require hospitalisation. It won't be all at once, most will recover quickly, we can handle that. 99.94% of infected will get no worse than a flu.

    In 6 months time most of us will have caught it. A test to identify if you are immune and non-spreading will be over-the-counter, cheap and widely available. You can begin lifting the isolation one group at a time. They will still need to practice social distancing but their family members can all get a test to see if they are immune and non-spreading. We can wear colored badges to notify others that we are immune.

    So most coming out of isolation will not get it. The damage to the economy and daily life will be minimal.
    But we don't have evidence that recovered cases actually have long term immunity. If their immunity only lasts a couple months then the whole sh!tshow just plays out again, and again.


  • #8933
    iwillyeah1234
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭iwillyeah1234


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Mental.

    GP closes at lunchtime on Wed. Tried to ring before, could not get through.
    Little lad has a temp rising and now averaging 37.4, along with a worsening cough. Told that on call doctor and SouthDoc can not handle any COVID related questions.

    Am I worried? As much as anyone else would be but not overly, except that my wife is currently in the hospital as a frontline health care worker in anaesthetics. I am worried about us being vectors and taking her off the front line but have no where to get advice now.

    So... Mental


    Here in the UK , the advice is , if you suspect one person in your house has symptoms, you need to self isolate your entire family. Including your wife unfortunately.


  • #8934
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,336 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    maximum that can be spent on contactless cards is to be raised to €50.

    Good.


  • #8935
    KGLady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 341 ✭✭KGLady


    ax530 wrote: »
    at what stage did you call the Dr to arrange test for your daughter ?
    I have noticed mine coughing a lot today sounds like a dry cough she is not complaining actually does not seem to realise she is coughing. We have been at home since last Thursday so basically in self isolation but I was not planning on calling the Dr unless she feels unwell is that the right thing to do ?

    Waiting on a test for myself and our youngest who is 7. She's been sick, at one stage worringly bad and thats despite being healthy kid all round. She went from a tickley throat and annoying feeling in her head (not quite full headache) last week, to a point where she had an inverse temperature thing going on, where she was cold to touch turned pale white and was throwing up. The cough she has is dry and she's out of breath if there's no windows open, also complains of pains in her chest when active and also on the top of her belly (diaphram). When we are outside in the garden she feels so much better and is more alert. She's not once had a temp over 36 so far.

    Aside from the scary cold body vomiting episode which lasted a few hours on Sat night, she's in good form. Back eating though less than usual and quite happy overall. I've been about 2 days behind her in symptoms and so we're waiting on the call from the HSE since Monday. Himself and our older two kids are both grand. She's had mild pneumonia once before, unsure if that contributed to her being symptomatic, but looking forward to getting her tested so we can have her lungs given a decent checking over.


  • #8936
    Cee-Jay-Cee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,234 ✭✭✭✭Cee-Jay-Cee


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    I really hope those testers doing drive through testing disinfect between each test. Sticking their hands in people's mouths is asking for spreading covid19 if they don't get it right.

    There are a lot of dumb comments on this and the other C-19 threads but you win the award for the stupidest comment of all. Well done.


  • #8937
    SuspectZero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 209 ✭✭SuspectZero


    Some questions some might be able to shine a light on for me. Ireland is currently seeing a doubling of cases just under every 4 days and the government is saying the model predicts it will continue like this. this infection growth rate is similar to the early days infection rate in both China and Italy where there were no controls in place for a long period of time. It was also said that the population median age in Italy was a prime cause of the high death rate and infection rate. was just looking at the datachecker graph and statistics and one sticks out.

    Japan's infection growth rate from day one was a doubling every 7 days, Japan also has the highest median age in the entire world yet it has the second lowest infection rate in the world, this even though social distancing and banning of mass gatherings weren't put into place until 51 days after patient zero was discovered in Japan.

    So why despite more stricter measures been put in place in Europe, Ireland, UK and The US earlier and harder has the infection growth rate been almost identical to places like Italy and China? And why is the growth rate in Japan been 50% slower even before strict measures were put in?


  • #8938
    Spook_ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,892 ✭✭✭✭Spook_ie


    tromtipp wrote: »
    sorry, I'm sure everyone else has already said this and I'm late to the party, but Dettol doesn't kill viruses, dilute Dettol certainly doesn't kill Covid19, and any basin left for days for people to stick their hands in will become germ soup very quickly.



    It's hard to think of a more efficient way of spreading infection.

    On a similar vein, in the absence of hand gels would Milton strerilising fluid (normal use is usually a 1.8% solution for work surfaces ), would a 10% solution help in anyway if kept in a spray bottle for people to spray on their hands?


    https://www.milton-tm.com/en/consumer/products/sterilising-fluid
    Proofs of efficacy according to European norms
    Bactericidal : in 5 minutes EN1040, EN1276 (including MRSA), EN 14561 and at 1.8% V/V EN13697.
    Fungicidal : in 15 minutes EN1275, EN 1650 and EN14562 on Candida albicans (agent responsible for thrush).
    Virucidal : in 15 minutes NF T72-180. Effective on Rotavirus and Coronavirus.


  • #8939
    Ten of Swords
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,692 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    Mod

    This thread is hard enough to mod without all the big pharma conspiracy posts being thrown into the mix too

    Fortunately we have a forum for that here

    Moderator: Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual & Transgender, Vegan & Vegetarian

    Category Moderator: Social & Fun



  • #8940
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    SuspectZero wrote: »
    Some questions some might be able to shine a light on for me. Ireland is currently seeing a doubling of cases just under every 4 days and the government is saying the model predicts it will continue like this. this infection growth rate is similar to the early days infection rate in both China and Italy where there were no controls in place for a long period of time. It was also said that the population median age in Italy was a prime cause of the high death rate and infection rate. was just looking at the datachecker graph and statistics and one sticks out.

    Japan's infection growth rate from day one was a doubling every 7 days, Japan also has the highest median age in the entire world yet it has the second lowest infection rate in the world, this even though social distancing and banning of mass gatherings weren't put into place until 51 days after patient zero was discovered in Japan.

    So why despite more stricter measures been put in place in Europe, Ireland, UK and The US earlier and harder has the infection growth rate been almost identical to places like Italy and China? And why is the growth rate in Japan been 50% slower even before strict measures were put in?

    Look up how many tests Japan are doing, its the lowest rate of testing in the world after USA


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  • #8941
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It’s Italy we should all be following. We are were they were 3 weeks ago. So they’ll give us an idea of what’s ahead. Thankfully we shut things a bit sooner so will hopefully do a bit better.
    Their numbers seem to be levelling.
    Let’s see what today brings from Italy.


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