Hand Sanitiser

mickey15ie · 18-03-2020 12:10pm #1

Morning,

Any one know where hand sanitiser is available at the moment?

Nika Bolokov · 18-03-2020 12:11pm

mickey15ie wrote: »

Morning,

Any one know where hand sanitiser is available at the moment?

Online from the Irish handmade soap company ( not sure if that's the exact name but it's something like that )

mickey15ie · 18-03-2020 12:18pm

will try them now.

fryup · 18-03-2020 12:38pm

if i add vodka to a regular soap dispenser will it work as a sanitizer?

L1011 · 18-03-2020 12:39pm

fryup wrote: »

if i add vodka to a regular soap dispenser will it work as a sanitizer?

No, it won't be anywhere near high enough % of alcohol

voluntary · 18-03-2020 12:42pm

Coronavirus lives in lipid molecule. Anything which breaks lipds/fats down will do, hence soap is said to be the best. You only need alcohol based hand sanitiser where tap water isn't available. Don't use it at home, it will only damage your skin over extensive use and Soap is better

MarkR · 18-03-2020 1:00pm

In Singapore, the government is providing a 500 ml bottle of hand sanitiser to every home in the country. NY state is manufacturing their own. Some Gin distillery in Ireland is turning over production locally to make hand sanitiser. Shame there wasn't some government led approach.

BailMeOut · 18-03-2020 1:02pm

https://thehandmadesoapcompany.com/collections/bestsellers/products/hand-sanitiser-lemongrass-cedarwood-100ml

Xertz · 18-03-2020 1:03pm

Irish Distillers in Midleton should have HUGE capacity to produce alcohol, as do some of the dairy sector and certain food plants and I'm sure some company in Ireland is capable of blending hand sanitisers. We've a few cosmetics companies and also some consumer products companies around too.

BailMeOut · 18-03-2020 1:06pm

I just ordered 4 of them. Will let you know how long the process takes.

TheBoyConor · 18-03-2020 1:10pm

Never mind all this hype about hand sanitiser. Just wash your hands with plain old soap and warm water. It is actually better as the dirt is washed off. Hand sanitiser kills germs but all the grime and residue will still be on your manky greasy hands.

If you are just knocking around your own house all day then there is no need to wash any more than as is normally recommended as you are not introducing pathogens from outside.

thenightman · 18-03-2020 1:14pm

People still have to go to work. Obviously can't wash with soap and water after getting on the bus or Luas like. I'm running low on it now and we've back ordered it in work but that could be weeks/months to be delivered.

I've seen companies online selling the little 50ml bottles Aldi used to sell for a euro or so in batches of 5 for 20 quid, which is pretty scummy.

TheBoyConor · 18-03-2020 1:19pm

Get on the luas but don't touch your face or phone or anything until you get into work and can wash your hands.

I also worry that like PPE, people will have a false sense of security with the hand sanitiser. "ooh, sure I have sanitiser, i am grand" and then be complacent with other things because of that attitude.

Wibbs · 18-03-2020 1:22pm

Just pure conjecture here but I was thinking(oh Christ...). Soap breaks down the viral lipids as Vol noted above, so what about keeping one of those soap gel dispensers about your person or in the office or wherever and apply a small dab to your hands, rub it around as you would with the hand sanitiser and let it dry without water. Would that not reduce the viral load on the hands in a pinch?

TheBoyConor · 18-03-2020 1:39pm

If you around the office or whatever, would you not just wash your hands in the normal fashion in the sink with soap and water rather than trying to come up with all these obscure means to clean your hands.

It seems to me like people seem to be trying to find alternatives to the basic hot water and soap just for the sake of it.

Wash yer bloody hands with water and soap and stop all this nonsense with concoctions of vodka and gel soap and all the other nonsese.

NotTotallySure · 18-03-2020 2:26pm

BailMeOut wrote: »

https://thehandmadesoapcompany.com/collections/bestsellers/products/hand-sanitiser-lemongrass-cedarwood-100ml

Thanks, I've just ordered a couple for myself and elderly parents; handy for when out in the supermarket.

TheBoyConor · 18-03-2020 2:28pm

they should not be in a supermarket.

Wibbs · 18-03-2020 2:35pm

TheBoyConor wrote: »

Wash yer bloody hands with water and soap and stop all this nonsense with concoctions of vodka and gel soap and all the other nonsese.

Well duh obviously if you have access to a sink and soap. If you don't is the thing.

Shuhada Davitt · 18-03-2020 2:40pm

TheBoyConor wrote: »

they should not be in a supermarket.

why not??

uck51js9zml2yt · 18-03-2020 2:46pm

If you amputate your hands you won't need sanitiser...just sayin'

TheBoyConor · 18-03-2020 2:48pm

Shuhada Davitt wrote: »

why not??

Social distancing. Being around large number so people is the single worst thing you can do. And supermarkets seem to be jam packed lately.

NotTotallySure · 18-03-2020 2:49pm

TheBoyConor wrote: »

they should not be in a supermarket.

Yes they should. They need to get groceries. There is no delivery service in their area. They observe social distancing and good hand hygiene at home, but they still prefer the back up option of having a sanitiser in the car for essential trips.

I would much prefer they stayed indoors, but there are no options for them regarding grocery shopping.

Wibbs · 18-03-2020 2:49pm

TheBoyConor wrote: »

Social distancing. Being around large number so people is the single worst thing you can do.

+1 Especially for the elderly. If they have kids or neighbours that's who should be doing their shopping for them.

TheBoyConor · 18-03-2020 2:54pm

thing is, as I said, when you are at home all the time there isn't much gain to be had by all this obsessive hand sanitising, as you are at home in a fairly closed system.

Hand saniting is beneficial when you are out and about in uncontrolled environments.

Another option that is possible is to put dettol solution in a spray bottle or even just soak a cloth with it. When you go out you can spray your hands or wipe yourself with the dettol rag.

There are any number of ways to do it. Fancy scented hand sanitiser gels are not the only way.

deathbomber · 18-03-2020 2:57pm

TheBoyConor wrote: »

Get on the luas but don't touch your face or phone or anything until you get into work and can wash your hands.

I also worry that like PPE, people will have a false sense of security with the hand sanitiser. "ooh, sure I have sanitiser, i am grand" and then be complacent with other things because of that attitude.

nightmare scenario, no doubt the itchiest nose attack ever will hit you there and then. dun dun diiiiiin

wonski · 18-03-2020 2:57pm

Wibbs wrote: »

Just pure conjecture here but I was thinking(oh Christ...). Soap breaks down the viral lipids as Vol noted above, so what about keeping one of those soap gel dispensers about your person or in the office or wherever and apply a small dab to your hands, rub it around as you would with the hand sanitiser and let it dry without water. Would that not reduce the viral load on the hands in a pinch?

You still need a water to wash it down.

Some people overthink it, but yes at work you will need it. We have keyboard disinfectant, hand sanitizer, but - lucky - also a washbasin with soap and paper towels in the office.

I am more worried about other people hygiene than mine though.

Dont think there is any need to have it at home if you have no visitors. Won't do harm to use it before leaving or upon return, but if you keep hygiene level high at home and don't leave it, good old soap will suffice.

I tend to keep mine for "special occasions"

TheChizler · 18-03-2020 3:19pm

Wibbs wrote: »

Well duh obviously if you have access to a sink and soap. If you don't is the thing.

I know of people wearing the same pair gloves and mittens for the entire day, walking around supermarkets touching their faces, phones, and products they're not buying, thinking that's a grand alternative to washing your hands. I've seen recipes online for hand sanitiser made out of oil and spices which has no antiviral properties. Because these people exist unfortunately we need to bore the rest of us by repeating the wash hands argument.

Kaisr Sose · 19-03-2020 1:31pm

Does anyome know if you need a licence to sell Isopropyl alcohol? I

BailMeOut · 23-03-2020 9:21pm

BailMeOut wrote: »

I just ordered 4 of them. Will let you know how long the process takes.

Arrived today at doorstep.

AllForIt · 23-03-2020 9:57pm

Following on from what Wibbs was saying, would it not be easy to make a home made hand sanitizer made out of simple soap and water you could make at home, carry on your person, and wipe it off with tissues.

Stacksofwacks · 23-03-2020 10:01pm

I have been using water and a small drop of bleach, don't know how effective it is compared to the real thing but its better than nothing surely

JP Liz V1 · 23-03-2020 10:03pm

Is antibacterial mouthwash sufficient in a small bottle?

I used get in Penneys for €1 or even 50c reduced

TheChizler · 23-03-2020 10:09pm

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Is antibacterial mouthwash sufficient in a small bottle?

I used get in Penneys for €1 or even 50c reduced

No. Please don't use a substitute without washing your hands.

TheChizler · 23-03-2020 10:12pm

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

I have been using water and a small drop of bleach, don't know how effective it is compared to the real thing but its better than nothing surely

Don't encourage people to use bleach on their skin. I'm upset this needs to be pointed out.

Edit: you just about got your edit in there before I pressed reply:D

Stacksofwacks · 23-03-2020 10:13pm

TheChizler wrote: »

Don't encourage people to use bleach on their skin. I'm upset this needs to be pointed out.

Fair enough, a very tiny drop ive been using but yeah people with sensitive skin etc should steer clear

RiseAbove4 · 23-03-2020 10:20pm

Very reasonably priced sanitizer coming to Dublin soon by a friend’s company

When it’s all ready I’ll check with Mods to see if I can link to it. When texting the friend yesterday about it they said “I want to keep my morals on this”

I’ll post more when it’s ready if it’s permitted

ixoy · 23-03-2020 10:24pm

Has the demand for hand sanitiser from the public dropped? A significant number of people are at home now so can wash their hands using traditional soap and water. Hand sanitiser is more useful when you don't have such access.

4068ac1elhodqr · 23-03-2020 10:27pm

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Is antibacterial mouthwash sufficient in a small bottle?
I used get in Penneys for €1 or even 50c reduced

It's more anti-bacterial, than it is anti-viral. Only 25% Alcho. One other issue is that it's way too sticky, would need to wash hands with soap afterwards.

Is it better than nothing, maybe, would need to ask a virologist (assuming the kinetic action of rubbing hands with low alcho, can damage the virus envelope enough).

Cheap aftershave may be slightly better and have a higher % alchohol (still not likely the rec 65-70%), if there is no soap n' water.

I have a UVC wand for a 10sec blast of any small bits of shopping, runs off batteries and might damage the kungflu's RNA just enough. Again, a case of better than nothing.

Heard of many local small distileries selling alcho bottles to the public, they even add in essential oils and drops of other stuff (maybe prevents alchos drinking the stuff).

Sleeper12 · 23-03-2020 10:27pm

Nika Bolokov wrote:

Online from the Irish handmade soap company ( not sure if that's the exact name but it's something like that )

Just ordered 5. Bloody expensive but I need it for my business. In & out of the van all day. Wouldn't be bothered with it for the house. Soap and water is best if you can

Sleeper12 · 23-03-2020 10:59pm

ixoy wrote:

Has the demand for hand sanitiser from the public dropped? A significant number of people are at home now so can wash their hands using traditional soap and water. Hand sanitiser is more useful when you don't have such access.

People believe what they want to believe. More than half of the population seems to think sanitizer is better than soap and water despite what the WHO & HSE say about it. I'm in clients homes and I see sanitizer on most home tables. I don't understand why you would have sanitizer only a few foot away from soap and water! I'm guessing that they see sanitizer in hospitals and they think this is what the doctors use. They don't see doctors & nurses using soap and water. HSE & WHO have both said masks are useless but you still see people wearing them in the street. You won't see doctors & nurses wear them outside of the hospital but people still believe.

In short yoy still can't get sanitizer in pharmacy's or supermarkets. I know soap and water is better but I need sanitizer for when I'm working.

JP Liz V1 · 23-03-2020 11:21pm

TheChizler wrote: »

No. Please don't use a substitute without washing your hands.

I mean for when out and nothing around, of course wash wash wash the hands when you can

wench · 23-03-2020 11:21pm

Sleeper12 wrote: »

In short yoy still can't get sanitizer in pharmacy's or supermarkets. I know soap and water is better but I need sanitizer for when I'm working.

Isn't your workplace literally people's bathrooms...

endacl · 23-03-2020 11:23pm

fryup wrote: »

if i add vodka to a regular soap dispenser will it work as a sanitizer?

If you added soap to a bottle of vodka.....

... no.

Wanderer19 · 23-03-2020 11:37pm

Seen a couple of comments about dettol and bleach being used as a substitute - these will destroy your hands.
Buying 'anti bacterial' items won't do much against a viral infection.
If you can't access soap and water regularly, or sanitser try wet wipes, at least they'll clean your hands and you can use them when accessing cash machines and on public transport etc.

Sleeper12 · 23-03-2020 11:38pm

wench wrote:

Isn't your workplace literally people's bathrooms...

Yes it is but when replacing showers the carbon from the old shower has me black. I couldn't wash my hands in the basin. It would look like a coal miner was there. I'd have to bring my own cleaning cloths and Jiff to scrub after me.

stinkbomb · 24-03-2020 12:14am

The WHO haven't said masks are useless at all. They do reduce droplet transmission and they certainly help with touching your face, especially nose and mouth. They aren't massively useful, but they are not worthless. Also, they make people feel a bit better, and theres nothing wrong with that.

Sanitiser is for as well as washing with soap and water, not instead of. Paticularly good for people out and about who don't have regular access to handwashing facilities.

Sleeper12 · 24-03-2020 12:42am

stinkbomb wrote:

The WHO haven't said masks are useless at all. They do reduce droplet transmission and they certainly help with touching your face, especially nose and mouth. They aren't massively useful, but they are not worthless. Also, they make people feel a bit better, and theres nothing wrong with that.

Actually the WHO said masks are useful for patients with the virus and for medical professionals treating an infected person. They don't recommend people wear masks outside of this as they have no proven benefit

Sleeper12 · 24-03-2020 12:44am

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public/when-and-how-to-use-masks

wonski · 24-03-2020 12:50am

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

Fair enough, a very tiny drop ive been using but yeah people with sensitive skin etc should steer clear

Most are sensitive to bleach. Seriously???

Domestos is not the answer

from_atozinc · 24-03-2020 1:10am

When I go the supermarket, this is what I do.

Before entering supermarket, put on a fresh pair of disposable gloves.
In supermarket, spray down my gloves with disinfectant spray or hand sanatizer and rub in well. (As if washing hands)
Do my shopping and pay etc.
Just outside shop, dispose of gloves in bin etc.

Sound ok?
Or missing anything silly etc

wonski · 24-03-2020 1:12am

from_atozinc wrote: »

When I go the supermarket, this is what I do.

Before entering supermarket, put on a fresh pair of disposable gloves.
In supermarket, spray down my gloves with disinfectant spray or hand sanatizer and rub in well. (As if washing hands)
Do my shopping and pay etc.
Just outside shop, dispose of gloves in bin etc.

Sound ok?
Or missing anything silly etc

You could just spray your hands, what the gloves changed?

Hand Sanitiser

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