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CoVid-19 Part VIII - 292 cases ROI (2 deaths) 62 in NI (as of 17th March) *Read OP*

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,089 ✭✭✭Happy4all


    c.p.w.g.w wrote: »
    Intel workers bus?

    No just a general bus service for people living in commuter belt


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,148 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Got this from an American website. Don't read if you want to avoid being depressed.

    We can now read the Imperial College report on COVID-19 that led to the extreme measures we've seen in the US this week.
    The Imperial College team plugged infection and death rates from China/Korea/Italy into epidemic modeling software and ran a simulation: what happens if the US does absolutely nothing -- if we treat COVID-19 like the flu, go about our business, and let the virus take its course?

    Here's what would happen: 80% of Americans would get the disease. 0.9% of them would die. Between 4 and 8 percent of all Americans over the age of 70 would die. 2.2 million Americans would die from the virus itself.

    It gets worse. People with severe COVID-19 need to be put on ventilators. 50% of those on ventilators still die, but the other 50% live. But in an unmitigated epidemic, the need for ventilators would be 30 times the number available in the US. Nearly 100% of these patients die.

    So the actual death toll from the virus would be closer to 4 million Americans -- in a span of 3 months. 8-15% of all Americans over 70 would die.

    How many is 4 million people? It's more Americans than have died all at once from anything, ever. It's the population of Los Angeles. It's 4 times the number of Americans who died in the Civil War...on both sides combined. It's two-thirds as many people as died in the Holocaust.

    Americans make up 4.4% of the world's population. If we extrapolate these numbers to the rest of the world (warning: MOE is high here), this gives us 90 million deaths globally from COVID-19, in 3-6 months. 15 Holocausts. 1.5 times as many people as died in all of World War II.

    Now, of course countries won't stand by and do nothing. So the Imperial College team ran the numbers again, this time assuming a "mitigation" strategy: all symptomatic cases in the US in isolation. Families of those cases quarantined. All Americans over 70 social distancing.

    This mitigation strategy is what you've seen a lot of people talking about when they say we should "flatten the curve": try to slow the spread of the disease to the people most likely to die from it, to avoid overwhelming hospitals.

    And it does flatten the curve -- but not nearly enough. The death rate from the disease is cut in half, but it still kills 1.1 million Americans all by itself. The peak need for ventilators falls by two-thirds, but it still exceeds the number of ventilators in the US by 8 times.

    That leaves the actual death toll in the US at right around 2 million deaths. The population of Houston. Two Civil Wars. One-third of the Holocaust. Globally, 45 million people die: 7.5 Holocausts, 3/4 of World War II. That's what happens if we rely on mitigation & common sense.

    Finally, the Imperial College team ran the numbers again, assuming a "suppression" strategy: isolate symptomatic cases, quarantine their family members, social distancing for the whole population, all public gatherings/most workplaces shut down, schools and universities close.

    Suppression works! The death rate in the US peaks 3 weeks from now at a few thousand deaths, then goes down. We hit but don't exceed the number of available ventilators. The nightmarish death tolls from the rest of the study disappear.

    But here's the catch: if we EVER relax suppression before a vaccine is administered to the entire population, COVID-19 comes right back and kills millions of Americans in a few months, the same as before.

    After the 1st suppression period ends in July, we could probably lift restrictions for a month, followed by 2 more months of suppression, in a repeating pattern without triggering an outbreak or overwhelming the ventilator supply. Staggering breaks by city could do a bit better.

    But we simply cannot EVER allow the virus to spread throughout the entire population in the way other viruses do, because it is just too deadly. If lots of people we know end up getting COVID-19, it means millions of Americans are dying. It simply can't be allowed to happen.

    How quickly will a vaccine be here? Last week three separate research teams announced they had developed vaccines. Yesterday, one of them (with FDA approval) injected its vaccine into a live person, without waiting for animal testing. That's an extreme measure, but necessary.

    Now, though, they have to monitor the test subject for 14 months to make sure the vaccine is safe. This part can't be rushed: if you're going to inoculate all humans, you have to make absolutely sure the vaccine itself won't kill them. It probably won't, but you have to be sure.

    Assuming the vaccine is safe and effective, it will still take several months to produce enough to inoculate the global population. For this reason, the Imperial College team estimated it will be about 18 months until the vaccine is available.

    During those 18 months, things are going to be very difficult and very scary. Our economy and society will be disrupted in profound ways. And if suppression actually works, it will feel like we're doing all this for nothing, because infection and death rates will remain low.

    It's easy to get people to come together in common sacrifice in the middle of a war. It's very hard to get them to do so in a pandemic that looks invisible precisely because suppression methods are working. But that's exactly what we're going to have to do.

    Not a hope this will or should be maintained for 18 months.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,065 ✭✭✭otnomart


    otnomart wrote: »
    Ireland will not block entry to non EU citizens.


    "The UK is refusing to participate in the restriction measure. For this reason, Ireland also cannot participate, because it must preserve its common travel area with the UK on the island of Ireland. But all other EU countries will institute the restriction."


    https://twitter.com/DaveKeating/status/1240000776413548545


    From @BBCkatyaadler:
    "EU external travel ban complications- EU would prefer Ireland to join its 30 day #coronavirus ban on nonEu, nonSchengen, nonUK nationals entering area but Ireland says it must first discuss with UK for practical reasons as they share Common Travel Area and UK not joining EU ban"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭Gynoid


    lawred2 wrote: »
    Ah I missed the St Corona bit.. fair enough

    All the same, file under superstition

    It was just the relaying of a story, a quirky diversion, a tidbit, not meant as having any purport or weight. Merely an interesting curiosity from the theatre of human oddities. It does not require to be filed anywhere.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 811 ✭✭✭EB_2013


    At the train station and it feels like one of the days after Christmas when most are still off. Can't see them continuing to run a full service if this level continues though that might be worse for passenger spacing of the trains are more crowded.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59 ✭✭Cameron326


    Anyone got Tesco delivery recently? Anyone know whether Tesco has changed their home delivery process? IE, does the delivery man still come into your house with the crates, or are they now just leaving cardboard boxes outside your door and self signing to avoid close contact? I know that AnPost no longer require a signature for most deliveries.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,748 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    otnomart wrote: »
    From @BBCkatyaadler:
    "EU external travel ban complications- EU would prefer Ireland to join its 30 day #coronavirus ban on nonEu, nonSchengen, nonUK nationals entering area but Ireland says it must first discuss with UK for practical reasons as they share Common Travel Area and UK not joining EU ban"

    Think the CTA should very much be a secondary concern right now.

    Would prefer Ireland to be taking an active stance on this rather than discussing with a rogue actor like the UK


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭Gynoid




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,636 ✭✭✭Talisman


    If you've got kids who are familiar with Scratch, here's a project somebody created that will help them to understand the need to flatten the curve.

    Epidemic Simulation


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭Downlinz


    Saw people with face masks out for the first time today in the supermarket, guessing that'll become a common sight.


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  • Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    What country is that happening in because it's not Ireland. I'm on the bus to work. It's packed

    Which job?

    Your one in Facebook or the one where you deal with foodstuffs and travel around the south west with or the other few that you have posted about doing since you joined?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,065 ✭✭✭otnomart


    No solidarity whatsoever. They abandoned Italy.


    So far, help is coming to Italy from China and also:

    -Cuba;
    -Samaritan's Purse, which are setting up a field hospital in Cremona, Lombardy with 60 beds and 8 ICU beds. https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/samaritans-purse-responding-to-covid-19-crisis-in-italy-dc-8-cargo-plane-to-airlift-emergency-field-hospital-medical-team-and-critical-aid-301025208.html




    again, I can't help thinking about the Choctaw Nation helping Ireland during the famine


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,688 ✭✭✭Kaisr Sose


    DubInMeath wrote: »
    Which job?

    Your one in Facebook or the one where you deal with foodstuffs and travel around the south west with or the other few that you have posted about doing since you joined?

    ðŸ˜... I wonder if they would consider volunteering as well..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,013 ✭✭✭kingshankly


    EB_2013 wrote: »
    At the train station and it feels like one of the days after Christmas when most are still off. Can't see them continuing to run a full service if this level continues though that might be worse for passenger spacing of the trains are more crowded.

    Changes coming in on Monday


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Gynoid wrote: »
    Maybe mentioned before but there is a story of coincidence doing the rounds that in Anzu, northern Italy there is a Basilica which contains the relics of St Corona, a 16 year old girl killed in 165 AD for being a Christian. She is one of the patron saints of plagues and epidemics.

    Yes there was a st Corona BUT

    Not on any official list re plagues / epidemics

    More madey up rubbish ...

    https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/the-fourteen-holy-helpers-plague-saints-for-a-time-of-coronavirus-41035


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,881 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    Changes coming in on Monday

    Link?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,475 ✭✭✭✭Blazer


    sudzs wrote: »
    Beginning to wonder if there's something wrong with me for thinking Leo's speech was third rate schmaltz.

    But don't get me wrong, I think the three lads are doing a decent job, well, Coveny and Harris anyway. But the Leo love in, I just don't get it.

    Putting it down to people being infantalised by the general air of fear of the covid19 virus and its consequences. ��

    It’s probably because a lot of people saw Trumps and Johnson’s speech’s and they looked like complete idiots. Leo didn’t and once they realised how serious it really was started taking action.
    They should have taken the Taiwan route but I imagine they had a lot of medical advisors advising different things etc.
    Contrast that with Johnson’s crew and it’s painfully obvious maths wasn’t their strong suit. As apparently letting 60% of 60million people with a 1-3% fatality rate doesn’t result in a few hundred thousand people die. Stupid twats.
    I’m completely anti FG but thank Christ we hadn’t had a government form yet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,553 ✭✭✭Fiery mutant


    There may be less people on the trainers and buses, but people still aren't staying away. Where I work we have done nearly our entire weeks sales budget in the first 3 days. So people may be staying away from work, but only their own work.

    We should defend our way of life to an extent that any attempt on it is crushed, so that any adversary will never make such an attempt in the future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    otnomart wrote: »
    From @BBCkatyaadler:
    "EU external travel ban complications- EU would prefer Ireland to join its 30 day #coronavirus ban on nonEu, nonSchengen, nonUK nationals entering area but Ireland says it must first discuss with UK for practical reasons as they share Common Travel Area and UK not joining EU ban"

    If the US snd Canada can do it ...
    The United States and Canada are preparing to issue a joint statement that could suspend non-essential travel between the two countries in the next 24 to 48 hours,


    CNN.https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-03-17-20-intl-hnk/index.html

    Time Ireland and the UK got their fingers out ...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,013 ✭✭✭kingshankly


    Link?

    Everyone needs a linknik nowadays ��I’m a train driver you can take it the timetable is definitely changing


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 245 ✭✭Syncpolice


    gozunda wrote: »
    If the US snd Canada can do it ...




    CNN.https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-03-17-20-intl-hnk/index.html

    Time Irekand and the UK got their fingers out ...

    In time of crisis I think UK and Ireland doesn't pull together


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,599 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    cjmc wrote: »
    I can't help thinking that Ireland missed a chance to close all ferries/ planes in and out. But at least when they copped on they tried to make up for it. GB might turn out worse of all

    And have permanently empty supermarket shelves.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,197 ✭✭✭micks_address


    There may be less people on the trainers and buses, but people still aren't staying away. Where I work we have done nearly our entire weeks sales budget in the first 3 days. So people may be staying away from work, but only their own work.

    What industry do you work in?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,065 ✭✭✭otnomart


    A second China Eastern Airlines flight from Shanghai is on its way to Milan, with a shipment of 17.3 tons of medical supplies and a team of 13 health experts.
    Source: Global Times

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,825 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    Monday was quiet, but not surprising given Tuesday was a BH.

    Back to normal in our office today numbers-wise, sensible precautions being adopted but it appears the apocalyptic 'end of days' scenarios have been greatly exaggerated.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,599 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    There may be less people on the trainers and buses, but people still aren't staying away. Where I work we have done nearly our entire weeks sales budget in the first 3 days. So people may be staying away from work, but only their own work.

    The thing is, and let's not forget, we are in this for the long haul. This is a marathon. Not a sprint. Expect disruption for two, three, four months?

    The calm before the storm, before the surge!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    Got this from an American website. Don't read if you want to avoid being depressed.

    We can now read the Imperial College report on COVID-19 that led to the extreme measures we've seen in the US this week.
    The Imperial College team plugged infection and death rates from China/Korea/Italy into epidemic modeling software and ran a simulation: what happens if the US does absolutely nothing -- if we treat COVID-19 like the flu, go about our business, and let the virus take its course?

    Here's what would happen: 80% of Americans would get the disease. 0.9% of them would die. Between 4 and 8 percent of all Americans over the age of 70 would die. 2.2 million Americans would die from the virus itself.

    It gets worse. People with severe COVID-19 need to be put on ventilators. 50% of those on ventilators still die, but the other 50% live. But in an unmitigated epidemic, the need for ventilators would be 30 times the number available in the US. Nearly 100% of these patients die.

    So the actual death toll from the virus would be closer to 4 million Americans -- in a span of 3 months. 8-15% of all Americans over 70 would die.

    How many is 4 million people? It's more Americans than have died all at once from anything, ever. It's the population of Los Angeles. It's 4 times the number of Americans who died in the Civil War...on both sides combined. It's two-thirds as many people as died in the Holocaust.

    Americans make up 4.4% of the world's population. If we extrapolate these numbers to the rest of the world (warning: MOE is high here), this gives us 90 million deaths globally from COVID-19, in 3-6 months. 15 Holocausts. 1.5 times as many people as died in all of World War II.

    Now, of course countries won't stand by and do nothing. So the Imperial College team ran the numbers again, this time assuming a "mitigation" strategy: all symptomatic cases in the US in isolation. Families of those cases quarantined. All Americans over 70 social distancing.

    This mitigation strategy is what you've seen a lot of people talking about when they say we should "flatten the curve": try to slow the spread of the disease to the people most likely to die from it, to avoid overwhelming hospitals.

    And it does flatten the curve -- but not nearly enough. The death rate from the disease is cut in half, but it still kills 1.1 million Americans all by itself. The peak need for ventilators falls by two-thirds, but it still exceeds the number of ventilators in the US by 8 times.

    That leaves the actual death toll in the US at right around 2 million deaths. The population of Houston. Two Civil Wars. One-third of the Holocaust. Globally, 45 million people die: 7.5 Holocausts, 3/4 of World War II. That's what happens if we rely on mitigation & common sense.

    Finally, the Imperial College team ran the numbers again, assuming a "suppression" strategy: isolate symptomatic cases, quarantine their family members, social distancing for the whole population, all public gatherings/most workplaces shut down, schools and universities close.

    Suppression works! The death rate in the US peaks 3 weeks from now at a few thousand deaths, then goes down. We hit but don't exceed the number of available ventilators. The nightmarish death tolls from the rest of the study disappear.

    But here's the catch: if we EVER relax suppression before a vaccine is administered to the entire population, COVID-19 comes right back and kills millions of Americans in a few months, the same as before.

    After the 1st suppression period ends in July, we could probably lift restrictions for a month, followed by 2 more months of suppression, in a repeating pattern without triggering an outbreak or overwhelming the ventilator supply. Staggering breaks by city could do a bit better.

    But we simply cannot EVER allow the virus to spread throughout the entire population in the way other viruses do, because it is just too deadly. If lots of people we know end up getting COVID-19, it means millions of Americans are dying. It simply can't be allowed to happen.

    How quickly will a vaccine be here? Last week three separate research teams announced they had developed vaccines. Yesterday, one of them (with FDA approval) injected its vaccine into a live person, without waiting for animal testing. That's an extreme measure, but necessary.

    Now, though, they have to monitor the test subject for 14 months to make sure the vaccine is safe. This part can't be rushed: if you're going to inoculate all humans, you have to make absolutely sure the vaccine itself won't kill them. It probably won't, but you have to be sure.

    Assuming the vaccine is safe and effective, it will still take several months to produce enough to inoculate the global population. For this reason, the Imperial College team estimated it will be about 18 months until the vaccine is available.

    During those 18 months, things are going to be very difficult and very scary. Our economy and society will be disrupted in profound ways. And if suppression actually works, it will feel like we're doing all this for nothing, because infection and death rates will remain low.

    It's easy to get people to come together in common sacrifice in the middle of a war. It's very hard to get them to do so in a pandemic that looks invisible precisely because suppression methods are working. But that's exactly what we're going to have to do.

    How accurate is this ?
    Have you got a source ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,032 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    gozunda wrote: »
    Yes there was a st Corona BUT

    Not on any official list re plagues / epidemics

    More madey up rubbish ...

    Rather like religion itself then.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    Tesco shelves still empty for the oap shop even got in at 7am before anyone else


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