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CoVid-19 Part VIII - 292 cases ROI (2 deaths) 62 in NI (as of 17th March) *Read OP*

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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,957 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    Not sure what bus your on, but dublin city is near empty at 8am.

    Very very few people around

    That is simply not true


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,579 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Happy4all wrote: »
    On a private bus commuting into Dublin. They are just running 1 instead of the normal 3 buses between 7 am and 7:30 am. Normally 3 full buses with 58 seat capacity. The only bus today has about 20 people onboard

    Tells you all you need to know really, bar one or 2 usual roads into the city at Heuston where theres a bit of traffic everywhere else is empty. Never seen the quays so quiet at rush hour


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28 kathryn1985


    Just walked from ranelagh to harcourt. Very few people around and on bus now. Only myself and two other people on bus


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭Gynoid


    Maybe mentioned before but there is a story of coincidence doing the rounds that in Anzu, northern Italy there is a Basilica which contains the relics of St Corona, a 16 year old girl killed in 165 AD for being a Christian. She is one of the patron saints of plagues and epidemics.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,579 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    That is simply not true

    Ok, so I've driven through the city in the last half hour and its extremely quiet, the roads are near empty bar 1 or 2 places.

    Its nothing like a normal day.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,579 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Just walked from ranelagh to harcourt. Very few people around and on bus now. Only myself and two other people on bus

    Probably the only time ever it'll be like that during rush hour for the next while. Its very eerie


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,285 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    Van.Bosch wrote: »
    If China, a country of 1.4billion people has 80,000 cases and seems to have it currently under control (who knows what will happen when they try to revert to normal), why do people think we will have 2 million cases?

    Is that over the next 18 months etc?

    Communist country
    People are used of being denied liberties


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,075 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Gynoid wrote: »
    Maybe mentioned before but there is a story of coincidence doing the rounds that in Anzu, northern Italy there is a Basilica which contains the relics of St Corona, a 16 year old girl killed in 165 AD for being a Christian. She is one of the patron saints of plagues and epidemics.

    What's the coincidence?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,350 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    lawred2 wrote: »
    What's the coincidence?

    I presume Italy, st.corona and epidemics


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,075 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    joeguevara wrote: »
    I presume Italy, st.corona and epidemics

    Ah I missed the St Corona bit.. fair enough

    All the same, file under superstition


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,990 ✭✭✭c.p.w.g.w


    Happy4all wrote: »
    On a private bus commuting into Dublin. They are just running 1 instead of the normal 3 buses between 7 am and 7:30 am. Normally 3 full buses with 58 seat capacity. The only bus today has about 20 people onboard

    Intel workers bus?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,075 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    c.p.w.g.w wrote: »
    Intel workers bus?

    Any Intel bus would surely be going the other way!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,350 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    lawred2 wrote: »
    Ah I missed the St Corona bit.. fair enough

    All the same, file under superstition

    As long as there isn’t mass gatherings to pray for help we are ok.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,075 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    joeguevara wrote: »
    As long as there isn’t mass gatherings to pray for help we are ok.

    I wouldn't rule that out at all


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,990 ✭✭✭c.p.w.g.w


    lawred2 wrote: »
    Any Intel bus would surely be going the other way!

    There is a few that run Midlands to leixlip (pretty much Dublin)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,880 ✭✭✭Deep Thought


    c.p.w.g.w wrote: »
    There is a few that run Midlands to leixlip (pretty much Dublin)

    Eh.. no. Leixlip isn’t pretty much Dublin

    The narrower a man’s mind, the broader his statements.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,089 ✭✭✭Happy4all


    c.p.w.g.w wrote: »
    Intel workers bus?

    No just a general bus service for people living in commuter belt


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,110 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Got this from an American website. Don't read if you want to avoid being depressed.

    We can now read the Imperial College report on COVID-19 that led to the extreme measures we've seen in the US this week.
    The Imperial College team plugged infection and death rates from China/Korea/Italy into epidemic modeling software and ran a simulation: what happens if the US does absolutely nothing -- if we treat COVID-19 like the flu, go about our business, and let the virus take its course?

    Here's what would happen: 80% of Americans would get the disease. 0.9% of them would die. Between 4 and 8 percent of all Americans over the age of 70 would die. 2.2 million Americans would die from the virus itself.

    It gets worse. People with severe COVID-19 need to be put on ventilators. 50% of those on ventilators still die, but the other 50% live. But in an unmitigated epidemic, the need for ventilators would be 30 times the number available in the US. Nearly 100% of these patients die.

    So the actual death toll from the virus would be closer to 4 million Americans -- in a span of 3 months. 8-15% of all Americans over 70 would die.

    How many is 4 million people? It's more Americans than have died all at once from anything, ever. It's the population of Los Angeles. It's 4 times the number of Americans who died in the Civil War...on both sides combined. It's two-thirds as many people as died in the Holocaust.

    Americans make up 4.4% of the world's population. If we extrapolate these numbers to the rest of the world (warning: MOE is high here), this gives us 90 million deaths globally from COVID-19, in 3-6 months. 15 Holocausts. 1.5 times as many people as died in all of World War II.

    Now, of course countries won't stand by and do nothing. So the Imperial College team ran the numbers again, this time assuming a "mitigation" strategy: all symptomatic cases in the US in isolation. Families of those cases quarantined. All Americans over 70 social distancing.

    This mitigation strategy is what you've seen a lot of people talking about when they say we should "flatten the curve": try to slow the spread of the disease to the people most likely to die from it, to avoid overwhelming hospitals.

    And it does flatten the curve -- but not nearly enough. The death rate from the disease is cut in half, but it still kills 1.1 million Americans all by itself. The peak need for ventilators falls by two-thirds, but it still exceeds the number of ventilators in the US by 8 times.

    That leaves the actual death toll in the US at right around 2 million deaths. The population of Houston. Two Civil Wars. One-third of the Holocaust. Globally, 45 million people die: 7.5 Holocausts, 3/4 of World War II. That's what happens if we rely on mitigation & common sense.

    Finally, the Imperial College team ran the numbers again, assuming a "suppression" strategy: isolate symptomatic cases, quarantine their family members, social distancing for the whole population, all public gatherings/most workplaces shut down, schools and universities close.

    Suppression works! The death rate in the US peaks 3 weeks from now at a few thousand deaths, then goes down. We hit but don't exceed the number of available ventilators. The nightmarish death tolls from the rest of the study disappear.

    But here's the catch: if we EVER relax suppression before a vaccine is administered to the entire population, COVID-19 comes right back and kills millions of Americans in a few months, the same as before.

    After the 1st suppression period ends in July, we could probably lift restrictions for a month, followed by 2 more months of suppression, in a repeating pattern without triggering an outbreak or overwhelming the ventilator supply. Staggering breaks by city could do a bit better.

    But we simply cannot EVER allow the virus to spread throughout the entire population in the way other viruses do, because it is just too deadly. If lots of people we know end up getting COVID-19, it means millions of Americans are dying. It simply can't be allowed to happen.

    How quickly will a vaccine be here? Last week three separate research teams announced they had developed vaccines. Yesterday, one of them (with FDA approval) injected its vaccine into a live person, without waiting for animal testing. That's an extreme measure, but necessary.

    Now, though, they have to monitor the test subject for 14 months to make sure the vaccine is safe. This part can't be rushed: if you're going to inoculate all humans, you have to make absolutely sure the vaccine itself won't kill them. It probably won't, but you have to be sure.

    Assuming the vaccine is safe and effective, it will still take several months to produce enough to inoculate the global population. For this reason, the Imperial College team estimated it will be about 18 months until the vaccine is available.

    During those 18 months, things are going to be very difficult and very scary. Our economy and society will be disrupted in profound ways. And if suppression actually works, it will feel like we're doing all this for nothing, because infection and death rates will remain low.

    It's easy to get people to come together in common sacrifice in the middle of a war. It's very hard to get them to do so in a pandemic that looks invisible precisely because suppression methods are working. But that's exactly what we're going to have to do.

    Not a hope this will or should be maintained for 18 months.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,061 ✭✭✭otnomart


    otnomart wrote: »
    Ireland will not block entry to non EU citizens.


    "The UK is refusing to participate in the restriction measure. For this reason, Ireland also cannot participate, because it must preserve its common travel area with the UK on the island of Ireland. But all other EU countries will institute the restriction."


    https://twitter.com/DaveKeating/status/1240000776413548545


    From @BBCkatyaadler:
    "EU external travel ban complications- EU would prefer Ireland to join its 30 day #coronavirus ban on nonEu, nonSchengen, nonUK nationals entering area but Ireland says it must first discuss with UK for practical reasons as they share Common Travel Area and UK not joining EU ban"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭Gynoid


    lawred2 wrote: »
    Ah I missed the St Corona bit.. fair enough

    All the same, file under superstition

    It was just the relaying of a story, a quirky diversion, a tidbit, not meant as having any purport or weight. Merely an interesting curiosity from the theatre of human oddities. It does not require to be filed anywhere.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 811 ✭✭✭EB_2013


    At the train station and it feels like one of the days after Christmas when most are still off. Can't see them continuing to run a full service if this level continues though that might be worse for passenger spacing of the trains are more crowded.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59 ✭✭Cameron326


    Anyone got Tesco delivery recently? Anyone know whether Tesco has changed their home delivery process? IE, does the delivery man still come into your house with the crates, or are they now just leaving cardboard boxes outside your door and self signing to avoid close contact? I know that AnPost no longer require a signature for most deliveries.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,075 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    otnomart wrote: »
    From @BBCkatyaadler:
    "EU external travel ban complications- EU would prefer Ireland to join its 30 day #coronavirus ban on nonEu, nonSchengen, nonUK nationals entering area but Ireland says it must first discuss with UK for practical reasons as they share Common Travel Area and UK not joining EU ban"

    Think the CTA should very much be a secondary concern right now.

    Would prefer Ireland to be taking an active stance on this rather than discussing with a rogue actor like the UK


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭Gynoid




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,224 ✭✭✭Talisman


    If you've got kids who are familiar with Scratch, here's a project somebody created that will help them to understand the need to flatten the curve.

    Epidemic Simulation


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,885 ✭✭✭Downlinz


    Saw people with face masks out for the first time today in the supermarket, guessing that'll become a common sight.


  • Posts: 6,583 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    What country is that happening in because it's not Ireland. I'm on the bus to work. It's packed

    Which job?

    Your one in Facebook or the one where you deal with foodstuffs and travel around the south west with or the other few that you have posted about doing since you joined?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,061 ✭✭✭otnomart


    No solidarity whatsoever. They abandoned Italy.


    So far, help is coming to Italy from China and also:

    -Cuba;
    -Samaritan's Purse, which are setting up a field hospital in Cremona, Lombardy with 60 beds and 8 ICU beds. https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/samaritans-purse-responding-to-covid-19-crisis-in-italy-dc-8-cargo-plane-to-airlift-emergency-field-hospital-medical-team-and-critical-aid-301025208.html




    again, I can't help thinking about the Choctaw Nation helping Ireland during the famine


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,026 ✭✭✭Kaisr Sose


    DubInMeath wrote: »
    Which job?

    Your one in Facebook or the one where you deal with foodstuffs and travel around the south west with or the other few that you have posted about doing since you joined?

    ðŸ˜... I wonder if they would consider volunteering as well..


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,522 ✭✭✭kingshankly


    EB_2013 wrote: »
    At the train station and it feels like one of the days after Christmas when most are still off. Can't see them continuing to run a full service if this level continues though that might be worse for passenger spacing of the trains are more crowded.

    Changes coming in on Monday


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