So what are the positives surrounding the Covid19 coronavirus?

Collie D · 15-03-2020 06:51PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Depends on how nihilistic you are about humanity. From another point of view, outbreaks like these, along with natural disasters etc, are the planet's immune system working to contain the plague that is human overpopulation. Forget about which humans benefit and which humans suffer - the planet itself is unquestionably better off if there are fewer of us around, and it doesn't particularly matter in planetary terms which demographic of humans get reduced. There are too many of us and something has to give eventually, if it's not COVID-19 it'll be Yellowstone or some other catastrophe. Exponential growth cannot continue indefinitely on a planet with limited resources, it's as simple as that.

I read all of that in a cartoon villain voice

Jonybgud · 15-03-2020 07:28PM

PopePalpatine wrote: »

The Magdalene Laundries did nothing wrong, and should be re-opened to stop godless harlots from spreading disease.

The thread hit a time warp.....:D

F*ck back to the past..... your holiness.....:pac::p

Dr. Bre · 15-03-2020 07:29PM

We haven’t heard from Greta Thurnberg . Is that a positive?

Andrew00 · 15-03-2020 07:32PM

Dr. Bre wrote: »

We haven’t heard from Greta Thurnberg . Is that a positive?

HOW DARE YOU

Eric Cartman · 15-03-2020 07:40PM

Dr. Bre wrote: »

We haven’t heard from Greta Thurnberg . Is that a positive?

her flights to tv appearances have all been cancelled.

15-03-2020 08:34PM

paw patrol wrote: »

an end to relying on Chinese/indian slave labour to produce our wares for fcuk all and the cost of massive pollution and exploitation

hopefully bring an increase in manufacturing locally and the EU and reduce the power of china.

I find the contradictions interesting. First you want an end of Chinese/Indian slave labor, who are essentially the uneducated/poor in the country, forced to work in such places because of the economic conditions of the country... and then you want to reduce the power of China, which means the poor in China will be even poorer, and far more likely to be unemployed...

You really don't get the realities of the situation, do you? China falling means that the poor will fall too. I really wish people would consider the statements they make before making them.

This virus is not going to end China's economic progression. If anything it'll drive them to push their modernisation efforts faster because of the need to combat such problems in the future. But the extreme poor will remain poor for a long time yet, simply because of the population size... and you should be hoping that they continue to have the factories to work in, because there's little else available for them to gain employment...

As for Pollution, China has been working to reduce their pollution for the last decade, with visible results. They're going through their own industrial revolution, which Ireland never needed to go through. It'll take time for them to raise their economy to the standard of the US.. which means there will continue to be hefty pollution from them for the next few decades. They're not going to halt their progress because of a virus, regardless of how many die. Their "great" leap killed far more than this virus has.. and the virus would need to get a lot worse before coming close to the numbers who died during maoist/communist initiatives for progress.

Mrcaramelchoc · 15-03-2020 09:00PM

This thread doesn't have any positives.we could do with them that's for sure.

Eric Cartman · 15-03-2020 09:01PM

Mrcaramelchoc wrote: »

This thread doesn't have any positives.we could do with them that's for sure.

about 98 billion quid in Eu pension entitlements are probably going to be wiped out , but at the expense of 5.1 million elderly people dying.

The day the pubs re-open is going to be a seshion twice the size of any paddys day, I will fight man woman and child for a pint of plain and a toasty in grogans that day.

thequarefellow · 15-03-2020 09:14PM

Purple Mountain wrote: »

There will be a massive baby boom next year!

And a bump in divorces. Was evident in China

the purple tin · 15-03-2020 09:17PM

Anyone who has shares in Andrex, Kitten Soft etc must be making out like bandits.

15-03-2020 09:23PM

Mrcaramelchoc wrote: »

This thread doesn't have any positives.we could do with them that's for sure.

I think the general awareness towards personal hygiene, and a degree of personal responsibility for the safety of others is a pretty good thing. Especially, if the virus encourages greater investment in medical research and precautionary operations for any future diseases which could be far worse.

I also think there was a trend in society by many people to become very inward looking and not taking into account how their lives might affect others... that's going to change now.

It's also showing the weaknesses in our politicians and government systems to handle a crisis... which will hopefully lead to practical changes and accountability.

There are positives.

Mrcaramelchoc · 15-03-2020 09:30PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I think the general awareness towards personal hygiene, and a degree of personal responsibility for the safety of others is a pretty good thing. Especially, if the virus encourages greater investment in medical research and precautionary operations for any future diseases which could be far worse.

I also think there was a trend in society by many people to become very inward looking and not taking into account how their lives might affect others... that's going to change now.

It's also showing the weaknesses in our politicians and government systems to handle a crisis... which will hopefully lead to practical changes and accountability.

There are positives.

Now there are.

15-03-2020 09:41PM

thequarefellow wrote: »

And a bump in divorces. Was evident in China

That's been happening for over 6 years now as the laws regarding divorce changed, along with some of the stigma against divorced women declining. It's nothing to do with the virus. It's the way their society and social values are changing. The majority of divorces last year were by people who had married for just three to five years. It's the problem of not knowing each other well before getting married... and finding married life to be very different especially after the first child is born. In China anyway. Dunno about elsewhere.

15-03-2020 09:42PM

Mrcaramelchoc wrote: »

Now there are.

They were mentioned earlier in the thread.

hatrickpatrick · 15-03-2020 09:49PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It's also showing the weaknesses in our politicians and government systems to handle a crisis... which will hopefully lead to practical changes and accountability.

freshpopcorn · 15-03-2020 10:21PM

I had trouble making up my mind about what to do for Mother's Day. Now everywhere is closed.

pgj2015 · 15-03-2020 10:29PM

Diesel prices have come down a lot in the last week.

storker · 15-03-2020 10:48PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

the planet itself is unquestionably better off if there are fewer of us around, and it doesn't particularly matter in planetary terms which demographic of humans get reduced. There are too many of us and something has to give eventually,

At the risk of being pedantic, this is conflating "the planet" with humanity and current environment and ecosystems. Doubtless humanity, or at least its future prospects, will be better off when there are fewer humans around, but the planet doesn't care. The planet was fine when the atmosphere was too poisonous to support human life, and the planet will still be fine when it gets that way again. The planet will also be fine when the elephants, pandas, whales etc are all gone. It will be fine when the rain forests and glaciers are gone. New species of flora and fauna will emerge that can live in the conditions that humans and other species can't tolerate. The planet is 4.5 billion years old and humanity has been on it for less than an eye-blink of that time, not unlike a mosquito landing on skin and being promptly slapped into oblivion. Needless to say, the planet doesn't give two hoots about COVID-19 either.

This is not an anti-environmentalist point, just a pro-accuracy one, and I think it's also a point that those concerned about climate change should be making. We should be careful with the environment not for the sake of the planet, but for the sake of us.

pgj2015 · 16-03-2020 09:45AM

House prices may go through the floor, good news for me as i am looking to buy.

Snow Garden · 16-03-2020 10:10AM

Clocks change on the 29th March. 1 hour of extra light in the evenings.

Yurt2 · 16-03-2020 10:20AM

Collie D wrote: »

I read all of that in a cartoon villain voice

Like plotline from a dark Captain Planet reboot, where the Cap takes a heel turn and engineers a deadly virus for a nefarious environmental-fascist purge.

J_1980 · 16-03-2020 10:41AM

Japan has only 6 new cases, Korea +74.

The only lasting effect of this crisis will be the superiority of the Asian economic and society model: Strong state when needed and self-responsibility of every individual in everyday life. The cost of nanny welfare state as a lifestyle is simply not financially viable. You need to run surpluses in the boom to cover the expenditures in crisis.

the purple tin · 16-03-2020 11:09AM

We are lucky to be on the edge of europe so we got a bit of a heads up.

Lucky it hit at a time when there was very little tourists coming into the country, if it had happened during Paddy's day with loads of tourists and locals arriving back home for the weekend we would have been up the creek sans paddle.

Eric Cartman · 16-03-2020 11:29AM

pgj2015 wrote: »

House prices may go through the floor, good news for me as i am looking to buy.

better pray the banks aren't made have a moratorium on mortgage and loan payments so, that happens and no mortgages for nobody.

Yurt2 · 16-03-2020 11:43AM

J_1980 wrote: »

Japan has only 6 new cases, Korea +74.

The only lasting effect of this crisis will be the superiority of the Asian economic and society model: Strong state when needed and self-responsibility of every individual in everyday life. The cost of nanny welfare state as a lifestyle is simply not financially viable. You need to run surpluses in the boom to cover the expenditures in crisis.

I'd suggest living in these cultures for a bit before declaring their superiority. Korea screwed up their response to MERS a number of years back which is why they've responded well to this. I wouldn't be sure about Japan's numbers, they're not testing to the level of Korea and are preoccupied with making sure the Olympics doesn't get cancelled.

Welfare is a non-sequitur

Irish_peppa · 16-03-2020 11:50AM

What are peoples thoughts how covid19 will affect the Housing crisis?
Rents certainly will not be increasing anytime soon as far as I can see in fact I would think there will be a dramatic decrease in rental prices and house prices due to unemployment. Then again there is the possibility that there will be slowdowns in the building industry which would push prices up.

maxsmum · 16-03-2020 11:51AM

Mary Lou has gone missing.... only positive I can think of
Didn't vote for FG but think they're doing a stellar job actually
Wonder if the election had been called later would we have seen a different result

blade1 · 16-03-2020 06:40PM

pgj2015 wrote: »

House prices may go through the floor, good news for me as i am looking to buy.

I might buy two

pgj2015 · 16-03-2020 08:22PM

im working away at the moment but if work slows down I am gonna meet up with friends I havent seen much of lately, some are off work because of the corona virus, some are working from home. we might go hiking or meet up for a few drinks at home. work gets in the way of friends meeting as much as they did when they had no responsibilities or jobs.

fryup · 16-03-2020 10:43PM

maxsmum wrote: »

Didn't vote for FG but think they're doing a stellar job actually

yep, Leo Varadkar has really stepped up to the mark these past few days showing good leadership - his medical background is coming to the fore

Thank god SF aren't in charge - they would be out of their depth completely

So what are the positives surrounding the Covid19 coronavirus?

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