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CoVid-19 Part VIII - 292 cases ROI (2 deaths) 62 in NI (as of 17th March) *Read OP*

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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18 TravelTiger


    Do we all feel like we have it ? Or is it just me who is paranoid.
    Taking huge breaths, forehead aching, muscle pain.

    There will definitely be reverse placebo effects in our heads in coming weeks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,118 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    My mate is ex army, his retired over a year plus. Drove APCs for the army. That not in the news yet the Irish army has asked ex army to help!

    You are as trushworthy as any other poster on this thread which is to say zero


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,074 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    I am seeing different definitions of lockdown on here, nobody knows exactly what lockdown entails. What will probably happen is the Army will be helping with contact tracing and also helping the Guards and Emergency Services and Front Line staff. If the positive testing figures keep increasing then we may see what is happening in Italy and Spain. I think for now we should stop believing everything we see on WhatsApp and just wait and see what happens.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    fritzelly wrote: »
    You are as trushworthy as any other poster on this thread which is to say zero

    :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 470 ✭✭The Oort Cloud


    What's up with this ex minister for social protection?


    Regina Doherty lost her seat and job in the election but yet she is still running the department of social protection in regard to Coronavirus issues?. Am I missing something? Is this below news story real or fake or is it just a huge mistake?. How can she still be minister of social protection when she was ultimately removed by the electorate?


    The Department of Social Protection is setting up a temporary refund scheme for those companies that have to stop trading.
    They will reimburse employers up to €203 a week for each staff member, but the refunds will take time to process.



    Minister for Social Protection Regina Doherty explained that banks will provide working capital finance in the form of overdrafts or short-term loans to cover costs for firms.


    All workers, including the self-employed, will also be eligible for a new Pandemic Unemployment Payment equal to the Jobseekers Allowance rate.
    Minister Doherty said: “Ireland has entered uncharted territory as a consequence of the spread of Covid-19. This is now both a public health and economic issue



    :confused:



    Link: https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/dept-to-set-up-new-pandemic-unemployment-payment-for-staff-affected-by-covid-19-988144.html

    Individual people have different thoughts and understanding in regard to others opinions, but the problem is this... there are some people out there that will do everything in their power to cut you off when they do not like your opinion even when it is truth.

    https://youtu.be/v8EseBe4eIU



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,074 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    For anyone who has a birthday soon, the only presents you will be getting is toilet roll. ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 245 ✭✭Syncpolice


    Will factories and the like be forced to close


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,118 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    What's up with this ex minister for social protection?

    The same way Leo is still Taoiseach til a new government is formed


  • Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Just heard five of the foreigners I work with are leaving Hanoi.. Tonnes of short-termers leaving but didn't think these people who I've worked with and have been friends with for years would jump. I feel nauseous. I think the reality of all this just hit me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,855 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    Do we all feel like we have it ? Or is it just me who is paranoid.
    Taking huge breaths, forehead aching, muscle pain.

    Its very normal I reckon to hyperventilate when reading this thread, it literally does take your breath away, the updates I'm grateful for but some of them horrific at the same time.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,118 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Just heard five of the foreigners I work with are leaving Hanoi.. Tonnes of short-termers leaving but didn't think these people who I've worked with and have been friends with for years would jump. I feel nauseous. I think the reality of all this just hit me.

    Is this a job security thing do you think?
    Still planning on staying?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 888 ✭✭✭bb12


    What's up with this ex minister for social protection?


    Regina Doherty lost her seat and job in the election but yet she is still running the department of social protection in regard to Coronavirus issues?. Am I missing something? Is this below news story real or fake or is it just a huge mistake?. How can she still be minister of social protection when she was ultimately removed by the electorate?







    :confused:



    Link: https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/dept-to-set-up-new-pandemic-unemployment-payment-for-staff-affected-by-covid-19-988144.html

    Because she lost her seat I don't think she's allowed in the Dail anymore though.


  • Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Is this a job security thing do you think?
    Still planning on staying?

    I'm not sure. I think it's simple finances for most. I'm definitely staying. It's home and I have some things happening that require me to be here.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    spookwoman wrote: »
    This another one doing the rounds in the states and another about mosquitoes carrying the virus
    dkxgOZu.png

    For the love of sweet merciful sh1te


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,118 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Worldometers - dunno why anyone would even think of doing this
    We apologize for the temporary disservice that you may have experienced. For about 20 minutes, our site showed clearly incorrect data due to a malicious act. We have investigated the issue and we're now implementing protective measures to prevent this from happening again. The other day we got hit with a big DDoS attack. Now this. We'll continue with our daily efforts and we'll not give up.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 245 ✭✭Syncpolice


    Virus expert on LBC tomorrow 1am answering questions


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,281 ✭✭✭Thrashssacre


    Syncpolice wrote: »
    Virus expert on LBC tomorrow 1am answering questions

    So??? There's virus experts on all the news channels pretty much every day now, why is some random uk radio station significant?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,489 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    What's up with this ex minister for social protection?


    Regina Doherty lost her seat and job in the election but yet she is still running the department of social protection in regard to Coronavirus issues?. Am I missing something? Is this below news story real or fake or is it just a huge mistake?. How can she still be minister of social protection when she was ultimately removed by the electorate?
    Under the Constitution, when Dail Eireann is dissolved outgoing Ministers continue to discharge the duties of their office until the Dail elects a Taoiseach and he makes appoints (or reappoints) Ministers. This remains the case regardless of whether the Ministers win or lose their seats in the election, or even stand in the election.

    Doherty will act as Minister for Social Protection until someone else is appointed to the post.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 245 ✭✭Syncpolice


    So??? There's virus experts on all the news channels pretty much every day now, why is some random uk radio station significant?

    May be of use to someone obviously not yourself


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    How are people coping? I still have a half bottle of whiskey to get through.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,021 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Opinion
    Grant Wilson
    Australia’s economy will collapse in Q2

    The Morrison government's plan to protect the economy and the health of Australians needs to change. The sooner it does the better.
    Grant Wilson Contributor
    Mar 15, 2020 – 10.57am

    Unprecedented decisions await in Canberra this week.

    Thus far the Morrison government has presented the coronavirus outbreak in mutually inclusive terms. According to the plan, we can protect the health of Australians, while keeping Australians in jobs and Australian businesses in business. Unfortunately, this is not the case.

    The plan will need to change. The sooner it does, the better.

    There is a grim logic here, that we are reluctant to unpack. But we know, from our vantage, that it will predominate in the months ahead, both in financial markets and in public policy circles.

    The conclusion is straight-forward: beyond the chronic global shortage of testing equipment for coronavirus, many countries will soon face an exhaustion of available medical infrastructure for those cases deemed as severe.

    These cases will be heavily skewed to the elderly cohort, where the observed case fatality rate is much higher. Selective treatment protocols will be deployed, as we have seen in Wuhan and Lombardy.

    Yet if the outbreak continues unabated, it will overwhelm all available facilities, leaving even those requiring access to facilities to cope for themselves.

    The Morrison government has announced a $17.6 billion coronavirus stimulus package, but will it be enough. Getty

    It will be said that most cases of coronavirus are mild and do not require admission to an intensive care unit (ICU). That is true. But ICU capacity, inclusively defined, clearly looms as a binding constraint in terms of policy formulation.

    On this front, the data is hard to find. Our chart uses strictly accredited sources, thus the data are not timely. Still, it is a good starting point.

    From there, various assumptions need to be made, relating to the path of the outbreak, as against the current use of ICU capacity, the turnover of cases, the availability of ventilators, and critically, the availability of front-line medical professionals (our new firies).

    There are also now aggressive steps underway to scale the infrastructure, and to re-tool alternatives, as difficult as that is to do in rapid time.

    The conclusion stands. In many countries, a point of exhaustion looms. Beyond that point, the case fatality rate for coronavirus will rise, with attendant social, economic and political consequences. Unfortunately, this point is not very far away.

    We highlighted last weekend that Australia is relatively well placed to manage the violent pivot as between the East and the West that is now well underway.

    On this constraint, however, we are not. Eleven per cent of Australians, some 2.8 million, are aged 70 or more. Others will have pre-existing health conditions that will increase the susceptibility to coronavirus, and increase the load on Australia’s medical system.

    There will be no feasible way to scale this infrastructure in the event of sustained community-based transmission. Many Australians will die without access to appropriate medical care.

    It follows that we ought to do everything practically possible to avert this outcome, even if it only amounts to buying time to prepare, and to learn from and to adapt to the experience of other countries, in terms of what has worked and what has not.

    This is where the mutual inclusivity breaks down. The cost of intervening will be extraordinarily high.
    Recession

    When we called Australia going into recession, we explained that we did not want to model the outcome given the uncertainty and non-linearity involved. We still do not want to.

    But by way of ballpark, and to provide a sense of how far away we are from the recently revised consensus, we are looking at Q2 GDP in the range of -20 per cent to -30 per cent on a quarter on quarter annualised basis, with risks skewed to the downside.

    This assumes some pull forward in demand into end Q1 as stocking commences in earnest, followed by a sustained 25 per cent to 50 per cent reduction in various categories of personal spending, particularly, recreation and culture, and hotels, cafes and restaurants.

    The upside risk of further fiscal stimulus is more than offset by the downside risks posed by passthrough to other sectors of the economy, including externally.

    For context, Australia’s time series for GDP dates to 1959. In that period we have not seen a fall of more than 12 per cent on a quarter-on-quarter annualised basis. We note, as well, how disciplined the RBA was this past week in not commenting beyond March.

    What is clear is that unless Canberra acts decisively on multiple fronts in the week ahead the risks will escalate even further.

    How can we say this?

    Firstly, Exante is independent. Even if others are on the same page, they likely cannot say so.

    Second, we have a superior datastack on the virus, assembled and augmented each day by a global team since the last week of January. We have also been in collaboration with one of the top epidemiological research teams in the world, providing our open-source data to track China’s return to work.

    We can see that Australia is accelerating now along paths that we have seen before. We are open to sharing our resources with the Department of Health, if they would reach out, as a public service.

    Third, we assume the Morrison government will prioritize a public health intervention over the economy, and then deploy a full suite of technocratic efforts to mitigate the cost, on the hope that the crisis abates. We will discuss the modalities we see here next time.
    China, South Korea

    Our broader concern for Australia is that the intervention may not work. We only have two examples of effective containment globally so far, China and South Korea, each with unique societal characteristics, and both sharing important prior experiences with SARS and MERS.

    For Australia, the journey to accept the degradation of ways of life we all take from granted will be more problematic, particularly given the path back to normality is not given.

    It is unclear that Australians will accept that social distancing is a civic responsibility. It is unclear that we can respond with agility and solidarity and equanimity when the costs will be so high and so unevenly spread.

    What is clear is that unless Canberra acts decisively and on multiple fronts in the week ahead the risks that we face will escalate even further.

    Those risks include an entirely credible scenario where Australia moves into demographic decline for the first time since the Great War, as a combination of higher fatalities, lower births, and a precipitous fall in net immigration.

    That scenario does not start with ‘R’ it starts with ‘D’.

    The Morrison government has a mandate to act, and a duty as well.

    Grant Wilson is head of Asia Pacific at Exante Data, a macro advisory and data analytics firm that provides research to institutional investors, central banks, corporations and private banks.
    https://www.afr.com/policy/economy/australia-s-economy-will-collapse-in-q2-as-it-must-20200315-p54a58

    That is another sort of depressing. I am posting it because I think it's probably relevant with respect to a lot of economies, including Ireland's.

    Let's hope we just get a recession and not a depression.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    Too long to read now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 245 ✭✭Syncpolice


    YFlyer wrote: »
    How are people coping? I still have a half bottle of whiskey to get through.

    Dunno no alcohol tonight

    Will prob get pissed tomorrow with the break in driving til Wednesday

    Job security not good


  • Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    Syncpolice wrote: »
    Dunno no alcohol tonight

    Will prob get pissed tomorrow with the break in driving til Wednesday

    Job security not good

    Sorry to hear. Are you a coach driver?

    I'll be at home typing my PhD thesis. Nicked the PC from campus as don't know when college be open again.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 245 ✭✭Syncpolice


    YFlyer wrote: »
    Sorry to hear. Are you a coach driver?

    I'll be at home typing my PhD thesis. Nicked the PC from campus as don't know when college be open again.

    No not a professional driver


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 470 ✭✭The Oort Cloud


    Peregrinus wrote: »
    Under the Constitution, when Dail Eireann is dissolved outgoing Ministers continue to discharge the duties of their office until the Dail elects a Taoiseach and he makes appoints (or reappoints) Ministers. This remains the case regardless of whether the Ministers win or lose their seats in the election, or even stand in the election.

    Doherty will act as Minister for Social Protection until someone else is appointed to the post.


    Thank you for the clarification.

    Individual people have different thoughts and understanding in regard to others opinions, but the problem is this... there are some people out there that will do everything in their power to cut you off when they do not like your opinion even when it is truth.

    https://youtu.be/v8EseBe4eIU



  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,586 ✭✭✭sasta le


    whats the difference? in a recession would we still spend 235m on DP centres? I dunno my feeling is if someone wants to leave the cruel inhumane DP system and go home or to a wealthy country we should enable that for them ..

    Time to close our doors for now dont you think?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,899 ✭✭✭UrbanSprawl


    sasta le wrote: »
    Time to close our doors for now dont you think?

    I don' t stand over that comment really but if this as serious as igets and there will be a recession and I accept that ppl from all over the world are in ireland and have no were else to go in the short term many will have seen their gig job evaporate and flight home might be out of reach money wise so if anyone wants to go before whatever happens we would/should pay for that ..stay if you want ..its a lottery


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