CoVid-19 Part VII - 169 cases ROI (2 deaths) 45 in NI (as of 15 March) Read OP

Wrex · 15-03-2020 09:07PM

Holy c@@p

UK coronavirus crisis 'to last until spring 2021 and could see 7.9m hospitalised'

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/15/uk-coronavirus-crisis-to-last-until-spring-2021-and-could-see-79m-hospitalised?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

caveat emptor · 15-03-2020 09:07PM

patnor1011 wrote: »

Yep. A vaccine to what? One strain? Two? This virus is mutating and there are 1 strains documented in USA alone. God knows how many in Italy. And nobody knows how many will be there next year.
It all seems to point out to simple survival of the fittest.

This is A1"herd stupidity". Why stop there? Seen as though viruses can't be stopped smallpox should be released to really sort out the herd.

bodhrandude · 15-03-2020 09:07PM

Happy Shut Down Day everybody.

Professor Moriarty · 15-03-2020 09:07PM

threeball wrote: »

How is Germany so much better on the mortality rate than everyone else?

I was wondering the same myself. It's been a trend for a while now.

Achasanai · 15-03-2020 09:07PM

paul71 wrote: »

Lockdown will never stop spread of a virus, it is not even designed to that could only be achieved with complete isolation of every individual from everyone else over the maximum period of time from contraction to recovery. That is impossible. Lockdown can only slow the spread, hopefully to a level were health services have some hope of dealing with it.

There are numerous posters on this thread that refuse to see that this is what's being attempted. I don't know whether they're trolling, displaying wilful ignorance, or - in one or two cases in particular - attempting to justify to themselves why they're not selfish pricks in going out and getting shítfaced in a crowded pub whenever they like.

odyssey06 · 15-03-2020 09:08PM

threeball wrote: »

How is Germany so much better on the mortality rate than everyone else?

They probably have the most ICU capacity.

ITman88 · 15-03-2020 09:08PM

saabsaab wrote: »

Hopefully not too bleak a question but what is the burial/cremation capacity per month in Ireland? Anyone have an idea?

In Ireland on an average month we cremate/bury 2400 people.

In Italy on an average month they cremate/bury 45000 people.

expectationlost · 15-03-2020 09:08PM

Chart of general source category of cases in Ireland from 29th of February to 13th of March when they stopped giving breakdown, this all depends on who is and the amount of tests of course, big jump of local known contact positive results on afternoon of the the 12th, thats the Thursday morning they shut down the schools
pubchart?oid=900448290&format=image

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1u-WvPoUJADZLvkwdkHOJj-oLviMRsn3jVYjI_QWMzJ0/edit?usp=sharing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_the_Republic_of_Ireland

GiveawayReborn · 15-03-2020 09:08PM

Bob24 wrote: »

I see 3 possibilities:
- it isn’t there yet (I think it is very unlikely)
- it is there but is undetected and unreported (IMO the most likely scenario)
- it can’t settle in those countries due to their climate (possible, but probably not the most likely)

Or when your are living in a city of millions, with no sewerage system, abject poverty and active outbreaks of tuberculosis,cholera, dengue, malaria, with a predominately young population and low life expectancy(very few elderly): COVID19 doesn't seem that scary

Sir Oxman · 15-03-2020 09:08PM

Juts received this from the caretaker of my apt complex (200 apartments)
It's a group where only he and apt management can send messages.

I mean? WTF like.

Bins and rubbish services will be one of the necessary services IF there is a full 'lockdown'
There's no social contact required to collect a bloody bin or tagged bag.
He's a sound guy but this is just panicky made up bullsh1te 101 (never mind his spelling)

Hurrache · 15-03-2020 09:08PM

VinLieger wrote: »

Rubbish, there may be a lockdown coming, it may even happen tomorrow but that whatsapp message is fvcking steaming hot garbage

Is it the one purporting to be friend of a friend who's husband is a garda and just came out of a meeting about it?

Strumms · 15-03-2020 09:08PM

cosanostra wrote: »

Could the dept of public health use their powers to shut non complaint pubs in the interest of public safety, im pretty sure they could find a number of breaches of hygiene rules anyway to serve a closure order the pubs would soon get the message

With about 7300 pubs in Ireland over hundreds of square miles, it would take some amount of time and resources.

kyote00 · 15-03-2020 09:08PM

Putin passed a law that might give him another 16 years...

https://www.thejournal.ie/putin-signs-law-to-keep-himself-in-power-5046544-Mar2020/

dougm1970 wrote: »

switzerland's number are getting really high.

has putin made any addresses or anything about russia's testing or how "well" they are doing ?

ldy4mxonucwsq6 · 15-03-2020 09:09PM

youtube! wrote: »

So what can be done then?

Extreme controls for several months a la China.

Would need to be a concerted global effort though to stamp it out completely.

We are vulnerable given the current UK approach and shared border.

Otherwise we learn to live (or not) with it.

It's ability to survive and spread readily in hot countries means we probably won't have the benefit of a die off from the virus like other seasonal infections.

threeball · 15-03-2020 09:09PM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Yes those with paper clip lacerations are now staying at home. Was wondering how the trolleys were coping, it was 600 odd waiting a couple weeks back.

Alot of that is down to insurance and GP's being terrified to deal with anything for fear of getting sued so everyone gets referred to A&E. If one good thing comes from this it might be that it exposes that issue and its resolved once and for all

Jinglejangle69 · 15-03-2020 09:09PM

GiveawayReborn wrote: »

On a side note, The HSE trolley watch figures show only 18 people on trolley's today compared to over 350 last week and 179 this day last year. I see reports of ED departments being very quiet. Just show the abuse of the system previously and it has taken something as serious as COVID19(or the fear of COVID19) to change behaviour

That's madness.

All these years of trolley crisis etc might just have been idiots turning up wasting the hospitals time.

Bob24 · 15-03-2020 09:09PM

Whatsisname wrote: »

Seeing Ireland going into shutdown, along with countless other countries around Europe, makes me feel like I'm living on another planet here in the UK.

Had to pop out for some groceries today and the amount of people walking around the city centre coughing was alarming.

The virus was a joke to everyone in work last week and I assume nothing will change tomorrow either. I feel like everyone in this country is a week behind on the news elsewhere nevermind the infection rate.

The Brits are crazy. The NHS will implode in 2 weeks time.

(Note that while we are doing more, I still don’t think ireland as a while as fully grasped the situation and what needs a to be done).

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 15-03-2020 09:09PM

SeaBreezes wrote: »

I linked to the medical articles in question, if you didn't bother to read them that's on you. It is This viruses HIV properties that makes it more infectious than the original SARS... It is SARS with HIV properties.. And we are still learning..

I did read them and they did not say what you think they did. I mean, you read them and didn’t understand them so clearly reading alone is not enough. The virus produces some similar symptoms to HIV. Lots of different diseases have similar symptoms, that what differential diagnoses are. And shared genes also mean nothing. Humans share genes with many different species.

Lord Trollington · 15-03-2020 09:09PM

We've a second house in the country side in Northern Ireland.

I toyed with the idea of bringing the family up there until this is over as it's more secluded and the kids have much more room to play outside - we live in Dublin.

What's people thoughts on this? Would I be mad to leave this jurisdiction in case I can't get back in. Or if I didnt get it up there somehow - would it be an issue getting treatment if needed.

What's your opinions folks ?

odyssey06 · 15-03-2020 09:09PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

A truly remarkable reduction in self presenting for A/E at the moment.
Someone will figure it out in time, I am sure. And hopefully will present their results for the future trolley watch experts.

And also track any spikes in deaths from other conditions during the period.

ITman88 · 15-03-2020 09:10PM

Sir Oxman wrote: »

Juts received this from the caretaker of my apt complex (200 apartments)
It's a group where only he and apt management can send messages.

I mean? WTF like.

Bins and rubbish services will be one of the necessary services IF there is a full 'lockdown'
There's no social contact required to collect a bloody bin or tagged bag.
He's a sound guy but this is just panicky made up bullsh1te 101 (never mind his spelling)

Absolute rubbish. You’re lucky that you know it’s rubbish, some more vulnerable tenants may not

fritzelly · 15-03-2020 09:10PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

A bit scary that the French ministry for health issued a warning for ibuprofen use and the HSE have no idea about it...

Until there is absolute definitive proof they are not gonna start advising one way or another

patnor1011 · 15-03-2020 09:10PM

lawred2 wrote: »

And they reopen tomorrow morning

And the next morning.
Until they do not.
Breaking news from the land of the free:

BREAKING: Federal government to control and oversee grocery distribution with govt / private sector partnerships: Wal-Mart, Costco, Target, Kroger, top grocery chains to be deemed “critical infrastructure” … National Guard to protect key distribution points

landofthetree · 15-03-2020 09:10PM

Grafton barbers closing all shops under further notice.

https://mobile.twitter.com/GraftonBarber/status/1239282450506952709

micks_address · 15-03-2020 09:10PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

A bit scary that the French ministry for health issued a warning for ibuprofen use and the HSE have no idea about it...

Generally if you have asthma or any respiratory condition ibuprofen is not recommended.

Wibbs · 15-03-2020 09:10PM

Natasha Warm Teacup wrote: »

There is no known immunity.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/coronavirus-immunity-reinfection-get-covid-19-twice-sick-spread-relapse-a9400691.html%3famp

Would you please at least read the sources you're quoting first?

However, according to Dr Stephen Gluckman, an infectious diseases physician at Penn Medicine and the medical director of Penn Global Medicine, who spoke to the outlet, it seems likely that having the disease once results in immunity in most individuals - as is seen with other coronaviruses.

“Coronaviruses aren’t new, they’ve been around for a long, long time and many species - not just humans - get them,” he explained. “So we know a fair amount about coronaviruses in general. For the most part, the feeling is once you’ve had a specific coronavirus, you are immune. We don’t have enough data to say that with this coronavirus, but it is likely.”

This means that people who initially recovered are more likely to relapse rather than get reinfected with the virus.

According to one study, people with mild infections can test positive for the virus by throat swabs “for days and even weeks after their illness”.

But, that doesn’t mean it isn’t possible to contract the disease again, especially in those who are immunocompromised.

“The immune response to Covid-19 is not yet understood,” the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) explains. “Patients with MERS-CoV infection are unlikely to be reinfected shortly after they recover, but it is not yet known whether similar immune protection will be observed for patients with Covid-19.”.

So it seems the main takeaway is that we're not precisely sure about this virus, but if it follows other coronaviruses already observed in people survivors will be immune to that particular strain. So "no known immunity" as you call would make it a major outlier in coronaviruses and more about scaremongering than a statement based on facts, even at this early stage.

Rob A. Bank · 15-03-2020 09:10PM

Dr Michael J Ryan, Executive Director at WHO.

A brilliant off the cuff answer to a question at a recent virtual press conference. "The greatest error is not to move" and "speed trumps perfection" when it comes to dealing with an outbreak.

In fairness, the sort of emergency medical response needed right now, is totally new to practically everyone in the developed world. The expertise needed is mainly confined to those who have had to deal with horrible epidemics like Ebola. Unfortunately his plea to go in hard and early has not been evident in the response of most western countries, and the sad result is unfolding before our eyes.

I wish he was back here in Ireland directing our response to this horrible virus.

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1238504143104421888

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

GiveawayReborn · 15-03-2020 09:11PM

lostpas5235 wrote: »

Source on the number of strains?

Coronavirus's seem to mutate rapidly. While difficult to develop vaccinnes, one can hope that such rapid mutations are likely to produce less virulent forms of COVID19

lawred2 · 15-03-2020 09:11PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

That's madness.

All these years of trolley crisis etc might just have been idiots turning up wasting the hospitals time.

GPs are part of the problem. Happily sending people into ED in exchange for 60quid and an easy life.

Genghis · 15-03-2020 09:12PM

Sir Oxman wrote: »

Juts received this from the caretaker of my apt complex (200 apartments)
It's a group where only he and apt management can send messages.

I mean? WTF like.

Bins and rubbish services will be one of the necessary services IF there is a full 'lockdown'
There's no social contact required to collect a bloody bin or tagged bag.
He's a sound guy but this is just panicky made up bullsh1te 101 (never mind his spelling)

Absolutely ridiculous. Is the sender prone to drama?

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CoVid-19 Part VII - 169 cases ROI (2 deaths) 45 in NI (as of 15 March) Read OP