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CoVid-19 Part VII - 169 cases ROI (2 deaths) 45 in NI (as of 15 March) *Read OP*

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  • #5822
    AmberGold
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,296 ✭✭✭AmberGold


    Corkgirl20 wrote: »
    We had 400 ventilators ordered from Italy from before their outbreak. And now they’re “unsure if they will come”.
    I would imagine they 100% won’t be coming.

    Currently we have 250 ventilators with 6 on order ...

    Brits crying out for some at any price to encourage manufacturing, Germany have 10,000 on order. We’re f***ed.


  • #5823
    Multipass
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Multipass


    gozunda wrote: »
    I'd suggest that's incorrect. The approach here is delay.

    The UK theory seems to be to let the infection run rampant through the population

    This from the previous link



    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/03/coronavirus-can-herd-immunity-really-protect-us

    Considing the UK are going maverick on this and potentially risking other countries public health then for sure there is a definite element of" smug ‘we know better than you’ attitude"

    https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-comment/2020/0314/1123204-britain-coronavirus/


  • #5824
    Lumen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,275 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    dougm1970 wrote: »
    have to get my head around this.
    wonder how many over-70s live in a household with under-70s...and how do over-70s work life without interacting in some way with under-70s ?
    how do the ones living on their own get shopping say ?

    My mum has been self isolating for over a week now, in the UK. She is mid-70s, retired, and has a history of respiratory problems, and is just getting over what she thinks is mild flu, but she's still very short of breath.

    All of her friends of the same age (and some into their 80s) are carrying on as normal, but that's for another rant.

    Freezer is well stocked and when she runs out of food her neighbours have offered to shop for her, or I'll do it online.

    She's a bit bored but has a pile of books to catch up on, and spring is breaking so there's the garden.

    Same situation with my next door neighbour in Ireland. Early 80s, well but not strong. She has family shopping for her and I'm on hand to help.

    The people really at risk are those with existing conditions who feel they have no choice but to continue working in exposed environments, not least because they would have difficulting getting a new job.

    I hope employers are going to be helpful.


  • #5825
    Renjit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Renjit


    meath4sam wrote: »
    Is it ok to bring the kids to the beach for a walk?

    Do you have someone with medical conditions (respiratory, diabetes, cardiovascular, cancer etc)? Or someone in high risk area? Then probably not a good idea to bring kids to the beach. Maintain social distancing at all costs.


  • #5826
    olestoepoke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,383 ✭✭✭olestoepoke


    Heres Johnny wrote: »
    Very much doubt it!?
    That post is spreading quicker than any virus, the guy is a moron
    WhatsApp Image 2020-03-15 at 09.36.22.jpeg
    WhatsApp Image 2020-03-15 at 09.36.22-2.jpeg

    I was sent these this morning. Not sure how credible they are.


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  • #5827
    ihdxwz4a3pem9j
    Closed Accounts Posts: 82 ✭✭ihdxwz4a3pem9j


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I read a lot about ICU beds but I would imagine based on what other countries are doing, you don't need full ICU for this? You need respiratory equipment and that, but not the full shebang that keeps people alive after car crashes and that?

    I see that China gave a lot of this stuff to Italy in a gesture of good will. Do you think Ireland will be able to source and set up this stuff next to normal beds?

    An ICU bed is a concept. More important is the resources provided to the patient in that ICU bed. A patient on a ventilator will require extensive monitoring equipment, to ensure that the ventilation strategy is appropriate. This is a non-negotiable. Furthermore, their blood-pressures and heart rates are labile from the infection/on the ventilator. Hence, they need special monitoring equipment for the blood pressure. And then come the infusion required to maintain that blood pressure. And then if the kidneys aren’t working, you need to add in a dialysis machine. Finally, you need very experienced personnel to monitor the patient and to make the necessary adjustments to care. Unfortunately, much to the chagrin of every ICU staff in the country, it is not as simple as “plug them into the ventilator”. The “extras” are in fact essentials to ensure good outcomes (I.e. patient survival)

    That said, I have faith in the resourcefulness and resilience of our hospital system. The critical care system in this country is top notch! And remember, even in the highest risk groups, most people will not reach the point of needing critical care (I.e.Special medicine through a drip to increase the blood pressure +/-ventilator+/-dialysis) Ireland will get through this crisis!


  • #5828
    trisha e
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26 ✭trisha e


    Can we please ,please act responsibly for the sake of our medical staff. My daughter is a medic in one of our large hospitals. She never shows that she worrys but she is now. If they start getting were all were all in trouble. She drives to work and practices social distancing. She can't come and visit us now as two of my work colleagues are syptomatic.


  • #5829
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Short term pain = long term gain.
    https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1239039283643768832?s=20


  • #5830
    Tootsie_1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 309 ✭✭Tootsie_1


    Looptheloop30 wrote: »
    The Italian plane video is from last November but sure don't let the truth get in the way off a good story

    Thats it I'm staying off Twitter everything is a lie:(


  • #5831
    Seamai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,250 ✭✭✭Seamai


    meath4sam wrote: »
    Is it ok to bring the kids to the beach for a walk?

    I would think so unless there are any underlying issues, exercise and fresh air are important to stave off cabin fever, just keep a bit of distance from others. I'm heading out for a walk right now, won't be stopping for a coffee though.


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  • #5832
    Cody montana
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,584 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    I’ve

    a sore throat
    a pain in my head
    a bad stomach

    Think I’ve got it!
    No wait, it was all that wine last night.


  • #5833
    bilston
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,996 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    BlackEdelweiss wrote: »
    We might be hours from the apocalypse but can we not resort to calling the north part of the uk please. We have got this far, no point falling apart at the last minute!

    Well I suppose we live in the post factual era...


  • #5834
    meath4sam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 605 ✭✭✭meath4sam


    Renjit wrote: »
    Do you have someone with medical conditions (respiratory, diabetes, cardiovascular, cancer etc)? Or someone in high risk area? Then probably not a good idea to bring kids to the beach. Maintain social distancing at all costs.

    None of the above thank god.


  • #5835
    Ger Roe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,193 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    Looptheloop30 wrote: »
    The Italian plane video is from last November but sure don't let the truth get in the way off a good story

    True, it's the Frecce Tricolori, the Italian Air Force Display team. They perform that move at every airshow performance and did so in here in Bray, complete with the Pavaroti soundtrack.

    If it gives people solace, fair enough, but it's another example of internet inaccuracy, thankfully this time it was for a good reason.


  • #5836
    Lumen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,275 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    Hugh Massive Globe wrote: »
    An ICU bed is a concept. More important is the resources provided to the patient in that ICU bed. A patient on a ventilator will require extensive monitoring equipment, to ensure that the ventilation strategy is appropriate. This is a non-negotiable. Furthermore, their blood-pressures and heart rates are labile from the infection/on the ventilator. Hence, they need special monitoring equipment for the blood pressure. And then come the infusion required to maintain that blood pressure. And then if the kidneys aren’t working, you need to add in a dialysis machine. Finally, you need very experienced personnel to monitor the patient and to make the necessary adjustments to care. Unfortunately, much to the chagrin of every ICU staff in the country, it is not as simple as “plug them into the ventilator”. The “extras” are in fact essentials to ensure good outcomes.

    That said, I have faith in the resourcefulness and resilience of our hospital system. The critical care system in this country is top notch! Ireland will get through this crisis!

    Yeah, I briefly went down the rabbithole of "how hard is it to make a ventilator?". There's an instructables page!

    https://instructables.com/id/The-Pandemic-Ventilator/

    But the answer is "very", and "that's only part of the problem".


  • #5837
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,147 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Struggling to see the logic behind the UK approach. Seems to be all about protecting the economy


  • #5838
    Genghis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,208 ✭✭✭Genghis


    I think a "lockdown" will happen.

    What I am worried about is that general panic has consistently been moving at least one anxious step ahead of official policy.

    It might even be causally related (announce a new measure out of prudence, a nervous populace read it as a sign of impending and certain doom).

    I think a lockdown may well result in the 'worried well' panicking at home.
    As the days go by, with social media being consumed continually, their anxiety could absolutely overwhelm the health service. Visits to GPs, demand for testing (put my mind at rest), visits to A&E, etc. As access to these services will be impeded by all this, panic grows, and becomes utterly uncontrollable. Meanwhile we lose any chance of delay for spreading the actual virus.

    Imagine, for example,what way people will view hay fever this year. What might be taken in stride any other year could result in widespread panic and anxiety.

    I genuinely wonder how the government plans to deal with avoiding mass panic.


  • #5839
    Achasanai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 730 ✭✭✭Achasanai


    dougm1970 wrote: »
    have to get my head around this.
    wonder how many over-70s live in a household with under-70s...and how do over-70s work life without interacting in some way with under-70s ?
    how do the ones living on their own get shopping say ?


    There's also the issue with not really knowing how the virus acts with regards to immunity and reinfection. As well as how to effectively isolate over 70s who require care in a nursing home/at home/hospital.



    Regardless of how the health service deals with a 'herd immunity' programme that could see a severe spike in cases over the next few weeks.



    None of us know how this is going, but holding up the US (with its health service, or rather lack of) and the Tory attitude to the NHS as a go-to model is seriously worrying.


    The original poster might be right though: the UK and the US might be grand economically in 6 months/1 year, but with an absolutely decimated population and society.


  • #5840
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Short term pain = long term gain.
    https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1239039283643768832?s=20

    This is encouraging but what happens when everything reopens again and the virus is still lingering


  • #5841
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,027 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Gael23 wrote: »
    Struggling to see the logic behind the UK approach. Seems to be all about protecting the economy

    There on sky news trying to call out the Russians for lying and not doing enough, they really are idiots, can't believe what I'm watching here.


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  • #5842
    Heres Johnny
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,738 ✭✭✭Heres Johnny


    olestoepoke wrote: »
    WhatsApp Image 2020-03-15 at 09.36.22.jpeg
    WhatsApp Image 2020-03-15 at 09.36.22-2.jpeg

    I was sent these this morning. Not sure how credible they are.

    It's not a story anyway that defence forces have stocked up on more vehicles. I know for a fact the office based gardai have been mobilised from Monday on that's indisputable, I saw my friends roster he was boring me to tears talking about the intracies of it and showing me his phone. But stories like this serve to portray a lockdown as some sort of Armageddon type scenario with armies and helicopters hunting down people breaking curfew. In reality it's closing premises and outlets to stop crowds congregating. It's not like a scene from terminator. It will just look like Xmas day for a while.


  • #5843
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,746 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Renjit wrote: »
    Do you have someone with medical conditions (respiratory, diabetes, cardiovascular, cancer etc)? Or someone in high risk area? Then probably not a good idea to bring kids to the beach. Maintain social distancing at all costs.

    It's ok to go to the beach. Risk is very low outdoors and it's very very easy to keep your distance from people on a large open space like a beach


  • #5844
    blade1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭blade1


    KathleenGrant wrote: »
    Same phone call just now.
    Been to see her every day for weeks and already she is forgetting my siblings and her grandkids.
    We have a folder of photographs I go through every day trying to remind her of the family. Every day she remembers less and less.
    I know her forgetting her family is not as important as keeping her and others safe medically but am in bits here.

    It's tough alright Kathleen.
    It's hard when our hands are tied.
    Best wishes to and yours and anyone that has to go through such measures.


  • #5845
    katie275
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 148 ✭✭katie275


    The Gardai cars


  • #5846
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,453 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Out and about in fresh air is fine, just be aware of your surroundings and interactions. Plenty plenty places to go that are wide and open and full of clean and feee space. Beach now for us!


  • #5847
    Mr.Crinklewood
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,704 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Crinklewood


    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0315/1123356-coronavirus-ireland/


  • #5848
    Axfrderr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 82 ✭✭Axfrderr


    Hugh Massive Globe wrote: »
    The critical care system in this country is top notch! Ireland will get through this crisis!
    Agree 100% about the care, world class.


  • #5849
    threeball
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,754 ✭✭✭threeball


    Renjit wrote: »
    Do you have someone with medical conditions (respiratory, diabetes, cardiovascular, cancer etc)? Or someone in high risk area? Then probably not a good idea to bring kids to the beach. Maintain social distancing at all costs.

    That's just over reaction that won't help anyone. Go to the beach. It's march, there will be no one there. Anyone that is give them a 10m berth. You'll have long enough inside.


  • #5850
    Syncpolice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 245 ✭✭Syncpolice


    Will all workplaces be closed down


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  • #5851
    Dial Hard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,664 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    coastwatch wrote: »
    Agree with you there. I'm not on FB, but there was a long panic FB post doing the rounds and shared on here yesterday.
    It originated from Ger "Redser" O'Grady, former Tipp Inter-County Hurler (2003-2006). A good hurler no doubt, but not sure if he's an expert on pandemics though.

    Report everything you see like this. Facebook have a Covid-19 policy in place which specifically covers rumours and panic-mongering but they need people to flag the posts.


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