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CoVid-19 Part VII - 169 cases ROI (2 deaths) 45 in NI (as of 15 March) *Read OP*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,275 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    Speaking of messaging they literally called the Queens subjects a herd, which should tell you how they think of the population.
    "Herd immunity" is a thing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    EDit wrote: »
    Tbh, I can’t see how that could be policed. I live on the outskirts of a fairly sizeable Midlands town and in order to prevent people from going for a walk/run, you’d need 100s, if not 1000s of Gards or Army folks, what with all the side roads and country paths. Multiply that up across the country and it’s just unfeasible.

    That’s also ignoring the fact that it’s not necessary either. I often go for 10+ km runs in my area and don’t physically pass a single person (in the flesh, as opposed to passing cars)

    I think what Italy is starting to show is that once people get very worried they don’t want to go out anyway (even fairly undisciplined people) so the need to police it is limited.

    But yeah of course if someone is out in the sticks with the next neighbour living 5 miles away, going for a walk in the field next to their house won’t be endangering anyone.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,688 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    I watched the earth-cam of Temple Bar street, and inside a pub, last night for maybe 20 minutes. In that time there were hordes of people milling about. A van load of gardai turned up and emptied a lot of people out of at least two pubs, and left a doorman paying a bit more attention on the Temple Bar pub. Subsequently two lots of two and three gardai patrolled the street and tried to disperse people, but they hadn't a clue. Several hen parties - from where? weddings have been cancelled. People can't go to church, events have been cancelled, but these ignorant people are going to get the country closed down completely because they don't have the cop-on to listen to advice.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Multipass


    josip wrote: »
    I haven't read anywhere that the UK were isolating the over 70s while they were promoting the spread. It seemed to me that they were ok with the inevitable rates.

    No-one is promoting the spread, what sensationalist nonsense. Places have been closing, students sent home. They are delaying a government imposed shutdown until what they see as the optimal timing. No-one really knows enough to say when that is - we may well have gone too early


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 196 ✭✭Corkgirl20


    EDit wrote: »
    Tbh, I can’t see how that could be policed. I live on the outskirts of a fairly sizeable Midlands town and in order to prevent people from going for a walk/run, you’d need 100s, if not 1000s of Gards or Army folks, what with all the side roads and country paths. Multiply that up across the country and it’s just unfeasible.

    That’s also ignoring the fact that it’s not necessary either. I often go for 10+ km runs in my area and don’t physically pass a single person (in the flesh, as opposed to passing cars)

    My cousin is living in Northern Italy.
    She can go for a walk alone or with one other. They’re not allowed to be too close to eachother or holding hands and they’re not allowed to congregate. Same follows if you meet other people on your walk , you’re not supposed to stop for a big chat. Going for a walk is no issue over there as long as it’s alone or with one other and not standing around or sitting on a bench.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭JMNolan


    Irish people are too thick for this to actually work. The photos from templebar last night are insane!!

    Incidentally, at the start of this I was a ‘its just the flu’ guy.... I’m now quite concerned.

    I don't get why people on this thread are saying we're all too dumb to self isolate? What you saw in Templebar was only a tiny tiny minority of people. The vast majority of the Irish population understand precisely how serious the situation is, we're not thick.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭dominatinMC


    NIMAN wrote: »
    This is where people have to do as they are told.

    OF course the Gov and authorities cant stop people leaving their homes, but in this time of crisis we need people to have a bit of cop on and stop acting the eejit.
    Ya, of course common sense and personal responsibility (of which we are severely lacking it seems) will play a huge role. There is a big difference between someone leaving their house and going for a lone run/cycle around a rural setting (where the chances of meeting someone are minimal) and crowds gathering to go on the piss in Temple Bar. The fact that the latter is happening, shouldn't mean that the former needs to stamped out.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭Gynoid


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    Not meaning to cause outrrage or argument or anything but just looking a bit objectively at the figures...it is the people over 50 who die in MUCH greater numbers. Over 50 = 0.5%, over 60 = 3 %, over 70 = 10% and growing after that to very high amounts.
    This is the cohort very much in a higher risk category. That does not mean younger people won't be very sick, it might be so, I do not know.
    There are also the immuno compromised who should be regarded as similar to the over 50's and older cohort.
    Here we have closed schools, going for isolation of the vectors. This does not protect the most vulnerable groups - that depends on people themselves to be protecting the older demographic and the immuno-compromised. That is not dependable.
    In the UK they are talking seriously now of isolating the group with the highest mortality rate. (In weeks, I don't know why...immediately would be the answer.)
    If we restricted movement of the at risk groups and helped them out with food deliveries, shopping, meds etc, plus online connection via face time etc, then the virus would spread through the population that could weather it and it MIGHT build enough immunity so that at risk groups would not be meeting it every time they left their homes in a few months.
    It would mean the economy could continue at least somewhat, and social welfare provision would be more affordable than a complete shutdown.

    I don't know. Anyone else think this might work? Thought? I am happy to be contradicted, though it would not be pleasant to be called some sort of a monster (thanks).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,268 ✭✭✭✭dodzy


    Real pics.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    is_that_so wrote: »
    What they keep saying is that they don't want an extended scenario like this because people will eventually get fed up with it and stop obeying it.


    Nothing like dead bodies on the street to sharpen the mind. We have seen what happens in China if you ignore it. Even Italy tried to dilute measures. De Virus don't care.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,193 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    JMNolan wrote: »
    I don't get why people on this thread are saying we're all too dumb to self isolate? What you saw in Templebar was only a tiny tiny minority of people. The vast majority of the Irish population understand precisely how serious the situation is, we're not thick.


    That's all it takes - this whole situation started off with one person in china and it was first imported into ireland by one person.

    A tiny tiny percentage of non compliance is all it takes to undo the hard fought efforts of the majority. I can undestand and accept mistakes being made, but willful ignorance is inexcusable..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭kevcos


    Gynoid wrote: »
    9te2zki8pom41.png

    Not meaning to cause outrrage or argument or anything but just looking a bit objectively at the figures...it is the people over 50 who die in MUCH greater numbers. Over 50 = 0.5%, over 60 = 3 %, over 70 = 10% and growing after that to very high amounts.
    This is the cohort very much in a higher risk category. That does not mean younger people won't be very sick, it might be so, I do not know.
    There are also the immuno compromised who should be regarded as similar to the over 50's and older cohort.
    Here we have closed schools, going for isolation of the vectors. This does not protect the most vulnerable groups - that depends on people themselves to be protecting the older demographic and the immuno-compromised. That is not dependable.
    In the UK they are talking seriously now of isolating the group with the highest mortality rate. (In weeks, I don't know why...immediately would be the answer.)
    If we restricted movement of the at risk groups and helped them out with food deliveries, shopping, meds etc, plus online connection via face time etc, then the virus would spread through the population that could weather it and it MIGHT build enough immunity so that at risk groups would not be meeting it every time they left their homes in a few months.
    It would mean the economy could continue at least somewhat, and social welfare provision would be more affordable than a complete shutdown.

    I don't know. Anyone else think this might work? Thought? I am happy to be contradicted, though it would not be pleasant to be called some sort of a monster (thanks).
    You are thinking rationally, how dare you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭PhoenixParker


    Gynoid wrote: »
    9te2zki8pom41.png

    Not meaning to cause outrrage or argument or anything but just looking a bit objectively at the figures...it is the people over 50 who die in MUCH greater numbers. Over 50 = 0.5%, over 60 = 3 %, over 70 = 10% and growing after that to very high amounts.
    This is the cohort very much in a higher risk category. That does not mean younger people won't be very sick, it might be so, I do not know.
    There are also the immuno compromised who should be regarded as similar to the over 50's and older cohort.
    Here we have closed schools, going for isolation of the vectors. This does not protect the most vulnerable groups - that depends on people themselves to be protecting the older demographic and the immuno-compromised. That is not dependable.
    In the UK they are talking seriously now of isolating the group with the highest mortality rate. (In weeks, I don't know why...immediately would be the answer.)
    If we restricted movement of the at risk groups and helped them out with food deliveries, shopping, meds etc, plus online connection via face time etc, then the virus would spread through the population that could weather it and it MIGHT build enough immunity so that at risk groups would not be meeting it every time they left their homes in a few months.
    It would mean the economy could continue at least somewhat, and social welfare provision would be more affordable than a complete shutdown.

    I don't know. Anyone else think this might work? Thought? I am happy to be contradicted, though it would not be pleasant to be called some sort of a monster (thanks).

    Remember one of the reasons they die in greater numbers because they're not even being treated. The doctors have to pick who gets each ICU bed and younger people get chosen. If the numbers keep rising not all the young people get beds.

    Younger people also fight longer, ie they take longer to die. The deaths in younger people will rise.

    We need to get the numbers down through a lockdown then probably/possibly move to a controlled version of the UK as phase 2.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,738 ✭✭✭Heres Johnny


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Social media is a curse. It spreads fake news and panic more than anything.

    There is already talk of a red shutdown this coming week. It is coming from social media. All it needs is one person to start it, and ironically enough, it spread on SM like a virus!

    I have already seen a video supposedly from a guy who was in an emergency meeting with army, guards, Gov, etc and the shutdown starts on Tuesday. May all be false, but this stuff will increase the panic buying today and tomorrow. It will be crazy.

    A big shutdown is coming, make no mistake about it. Would it be this week? We'll have to wait and see.

    Yeah apparently the HSE and defence forces spilled the beans to a guy working for Europcar while they were renting or leasing vehicles from him. Does anyone not realise how stupid some of the claimed sources are. They told him everything according to his friend. Such utter utter rubbish circulating at the moment.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭JMNolan


    Ger Roe wrote: »
    That's all it takes - this whole situation started off with one person in china and it was first imported into ireland by one person.

    A tiny tiny percentage of non compliance is all it takes to indo the hard fought efforts of the majority. I can undestand and accept mistakes being made, but willful ignorance is inexcusable..

    What you say is irrelevant to the claim that all Irish people are stupid.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,631 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Ya, of course common sense and personal responsibility (of which we are severely lacking it seems) will play a huge role. There is a big difference between someone leaving their house and going for a lone run/cycle around a rural setting (where the chances of meeting someone are minimal) and crowds gathering to go on the piss in Temple Bar. The fact that the latter is happening, shouldn't mean that the former needs to stamped out.

    The latter is only happening because it still can. Of course there is an element of whether they care or not, but thats a different argument.

    Sometimes harsh rules have to force people to stop doing risky behaviour.

    Perhaps the pubs in TB should have limited numbers, or shut down of their own accord already? But hey, I know people have to make a living etc.

    They will be shut soon enough, and for long enough.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,202 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Lots of pubs in mayo are now closed with immediate effect. (,source ,connaught telegraph fb page)

    One of the pubs here put up a post on FB telling people to go out for a few pints, some of these people need a reality check.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,782 ✭✭✭Scotty #


    Have the UK gov misread the 'Delay Stage' for the 'Denial Stage'??? Seems like it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,193 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    JMNolan wrote: »
    What you say is irrelevant to the claim that all Irish people are stupid.

    In the grand scheme of things at the moment, the children's rhyme sticks and stones comes to mind. There are bigger issues to argue then whether our entire nationality has been libeled on an internet forum.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,213 ✭✭✭samo


    Omackeral wrote: »
    This has triggered me worse than anything else I’ve read or seen in the last few weeks.


    I read this yesterday too and have a similar situation. Family members travelled from London for a birthday (essential travel??!) and seemed surprised only 6 people on the plane.

    So annoyed at the stupidness and selfishness


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,020 ✭✭✭boetstark


    JMNolan wrote: »
    I don't get why people on this thread are saying we're all too dumb to self isolate? What you saw in Templebar was only a tiny tiny minority of people. The vast majority of the Irish population understand precisely how serious the situation is, we're not thick.

    Sorry but as I said in previous post not from what I saw in Limerick on Friday and yesterday


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,027 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    What the British government is doing is deliberately going out of its way to kill its people. Here is what scientists actually think

    https://www.immunology.org/news/bsi-open-letter-government-sars-cov-2-outbreak-response



    Lets not forget the Tories are the ones who cheerleaded the whole "dont listen to Experts" trope during Brexit, the PM is on record saying "feck business" yet you now want us to believe they are the "good guys" following scientific advice?


    The EU government enacted a policy deliberately aimed at killing a fraction of its population, yet people here ****ing defend them without any science to back it up.

    What are we going to do with the Northerners.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,836 ✭✭✭Nermal


    They are ignoring this or that reinfection can't won't occur. The common cold is a coronavirus. Is anyone immune to it?

    That long-term herd immunity develops is an just an assumption, yes.

    Our assumption is that a vaccine or treatments are developed. Taking your example of the common cold, there’s no guarantee of that either, is there? If we don’t find one, what’s the plan? Lockdown until the end of time?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 665 ✭✭✭poppers


    Ger Roe wrote: »
    That's all it takes - this whole situation started off with one person in china and it was first imported into ireland by one person.

    A tiny tiny percentage of non compliance is all it takes to undo the hard fought efforts of the majority. I can undestand and accept mistakes being made, but willful ignorance is inexcusable..
    Theres more than 1 person who imported this. I say over halfvthe cases are people who travelled


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    One of the pubs here put up a post on FB telling people to go out for a few pints, some of these people need a reality check.

    Interesting how different pubs react differently.

    Grogan’s in Dublin announced on their Facebook page that they are closing: [url] https://www.facebook.com/groganscastlelounge/photos/a.1066004896785129/2916181428434124/?type=3[/url]


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,193 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    poppers wrote: »
    Theres more than 1 person who imported this. I say over halfvthe cases are people who travelled

    Yes, but some one person had to be first.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 309 ✭✭Tootsie_1


    Thought this was a lovely thing to do by the Italians

    https://twitter.com/SisKathleen/status/1238395121663643648


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,275 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    Scientists disagree in context of British response to COVID-19

    https://www.immunology.org/news/bsi-open-letter-government-sars-cov-2-outbreak-response

    Ah now you're just being argumentative. "Herd immunity" is a thing, regardless of whether it applies in this instance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭jackboy


    One of the pubs here put up a post on FB telling people to go out for a few pints, some of these people need a reality check.

    It is understandable. This could put a lot of the pubs and restaurants in Ireland out of business with the associated massive job losses. It’s hard for them to rationalize stopping doing something which is completely legal and which the government has not even suggested should stop.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 798 ✭✭✭Snowbiee21


    A lockdown, Why do we have to wait ? Cancelled rugby match yet let supporters into the country , let all greedy people go and return from Cheltheham ,still have airports open ,still have pubs ,nightclubs,restraunts open and Leo showing his great leadershp NOT by travelling to America .
    Its actually so so scary that this is going on .
    One might form an opinion that they want people to die .
    All this should have happened a lot sooner . We saw other countries go through it ,so to say they didnt know, is totally wrong
    My opinion is they were so busy playing their political games that they werent able to put plans in place .


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