CoVid-19 Part VII - 169 cases ROI (2 deaths) 45 in NI (as of 15 March) Read OP

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! · 15-03-2020 05:55AM

OneEightSeven wrote: »

These are the countries with over 1,000 cases so far. I'm excluding the ones below 1,000 because the margin of error dramatically increases below 1,000.

I've included the median age of these countries and calculated the case fatality rate

Country | Median Age |Cases | Deaths | Case Fatality Rate
Germany| 47.1 | 4,267 | 8 | 0.18%
Italy |45.5 | 21,157 | 1,441 | 6.81%
Spain |42.7 | 6,043 | 191 | 3.16%
Switzerland | 42.4 | 1,375 | 13 | 0.94%
South Korea | 41.8 | 8,162 | 75 | 0.91%
France |41.4| 4499 | 91 | 2.02%
UK | 40.5 | 1,140 | 21 | 1.84%
Norway| 39.2 | 1,055 | 2 | 0.18%
USA| 38.1 | 2,977 | 60 | 2.01%
China |37.4| 80,844 | 3,199 | 3.95%
Iran |30.3 | 12,729 | 611 | 4.80%

I posted to show that despite Germans being older than Italians, they have much lower case fatality rate. Doesn't make any sense since most deaths are pensioners.

I've been watching the German numbers with interest all week... I'm not surprised that they are doing a better job than other countries. It might be a cliche, but some cliches have a grain of truth in them... the Germans are highly efficient in how they tackle these things!

Germans follow the rules in their country - we even make fun of them for this. But it's a big help during a crisis like this, when you know you can rely on your populace to be sensible and do the right things.

I also think the Asians are very much the same, but the problem they have is massive population density... and that is a major issue when tackling something like this.

Our government could do a lot worse than copying these nations, and possibly getting feedback on the exact measures they are using! If you don't tackle this very aggressively, you will very quickly be playing catch up... which is what's happening in Italy and Spain... services are buckling under the strain of that enormous pressure!

Larbre34 · 15-03-2020 06:10AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The Australian PM has expressed concern at the number of cases in his country originating from the United States.

Also announces everyone entering Australia must self isolate for 14 days.

Another stone cold kick in the balls for the Aussie tourist industry, already having a shocking year.

Quantum Erasure · 15-03-2020 06:12AM

OneEightSeven wrote: »

These are the countries with over 1,000 cases so far.

I posted to show that despite Germans being older than Italians, they have much lower case fatality rate. Doesn't make any sense since most deaths are pensioners.

It might be better to sort by Total cases vs Case mortality rate, altough Germany is still way ahead on that

niallo27 · 15-03-2020 06:16AM

OneEightSeven wrote: »

These are the countries with over 1,000 cases so far. I'm excluding the ones below 1,000 because the margin of error dramatically increases below 1,000.

I've included the median age of these countries and calculated the case fatality rate

Country | Median Age |Cases | Deaths | Case Fatality Rate
Germany| 47.1 | 4,267 | 8 | 0.18%
Italy |45.5 | 21,157 | 1,441 | 6.81%
Spain |42.7 | 6,043 | 191 | 3.16%
Switzerland | 42.4 | 1,375 | 13 | 0.94%
South Korea | 41.8 | 8,162 | 75 | 0.91%
France |41.4| 4499 | 91 | 2.02%
UK | 40.5 | 1,140 | 21 | 1.84%
Norway| 39.2 | 1,055 | 2 | 0.18%
USA| 38.1 | 2,977 | 60 | 2.01%
China |37.4| 80,844 | 3,199 | 3.95%
Iran |30.3 | 12,729 | 611 | 4.80%

I posted to show that despite Germans being older than Italians, they have much lower case fatality rate. Doesn't make any sense since most deaths are pensioners.

Well it's hard to know when only a tiny percent of the population have actually tested positive. Italy seems to have gotten into nursing homes first where as Germany could have hit a younger age cluster first. With only about .0033% of the population actually after testing positive we wont know anything until it hits 10-15%

jimmycrackcorm · 15-03-2020 06:20AM

Tell me how wrote: »

Story from the US.

I'm living in Boston at the moment. A friends housemate, who works in a hospital felt unwell with respiratory symptoms while at work during the week and the hospital sent them home. They decided to return home to their parents house in another state so as to minimize the risk to the large number of people who they shared a house with.
Before they did this, they went to their Dr and was tested for both flu strains, but not tested for the CoVid virus because they did not meet the criteria, which is that they had come in contact with a known infected person, or that they had recently returned from an virus hot spot abroad. They were told they likely had pneumonia or bronchitis and were prescribed antibiotics and sent home.
They rang their dad to tell them they were coming home and were told not to come. The reason being that their patents will not have health insurance until the Dad's probation period at work ends in about 5 weeks and so they cannot afford to need serious medical care.

So, in a place that sees itself as the best country in the world and repeatedly tells everyone this, a person in a coVid hotspot (as Boston is somewhat) with respiratory symptoms and who had been working in a hospital, was not tested even though had sought medical care for a condition which was thought to be possibly 'only' pneumonia.
And, that persons middle class parents had to turn away their son from recuperating at their home because of the fear of the financial impact should either of them pick up some form of serious illness.

I am lucky enough to have (what I think is) decent medical coverage which only costs 6k/annum for the same sort of coverage as I get back home in Ireland for 1kE.
Hopefully, one outcome of this, might be that they, as a country will wake up and realise that they need to listen to what Bernie Sanders is saying in relation to healthcare for all and to swing to give him the Democratic nomination to challenge him who must not be named.
The current President shut down the Pandemic office, just two weeks ago called the virus a Hoax and earlier this week, announced financial support for the Oil energy due to falling prices. When the stock market started to tumble this week also, 1.5T (Trillion!!) dollars was found in order to be injected in to the economy to try to prevent some form of disaster.

And yet, part of me fears that if the numbers of those who contract the virus and who die as a result of it is less than what is being predicted, then many will say it was an over reaction and that there shouldn't be any dramatic changes made.

Separately, Boston schools have announced that they will be closed until the end of April which leads me to think that someone knows that this is indeed going to continue to escalate in a serious way for some time yet.

I think it'll only make Americans push now for their republican viewpoint that of you want to survive the virus then you need to live the American dream so you can afford to pay for the healthcare you need.

Can't afford it then tough.

Fakediamond · 15-03-2020 06:21AM

dashdoll wrote: »

I understand the pubs will be forced to close from tomorrow evening or Monday evening - not certain of the specifics. I love the pub as much as anyone but this is right in my opinion. I know for a fact that people running small rural pubs where there were less than 10 people tonight that the guards called about an hour ago, asked them to finish early nicely and gave the heads up that it will be formally announced tomorrow. Anyone hear similar?

Heard the same. Everything to shut down for 14 days, except food shops, pharmacies. Same as they’ve done now in France. This is what Prof McConkey has asked for all along, I hope it makes a difference in slowing it down.

Do we go to our jobs though? I’d imagine we have to go to work, just not socialise or congregate in public?

15-03-2020 06:26AM

Are flights still able to land in Dublin from say Milan?

joeguevara · 15-03-2020 06:27AM

Fakediamond wrote: »

Heard the same. Everything to shut down for 14 days, except food shops, pharmacies. Same as they’ve done now in France. This is what Prof McConkey has asked for all along, I hope it makes a difference in slowing it down.

Do we go to our jobs though? I’d imagine we have to go to work, just not socialise or congregate in public?

I think an announcement will be made Monday. I have a feeling that all offices and businesses apart from the ones mentioned above will close. If you can work from home then will do that. If can’t then it is unthinkable.

jimmycrackcorm · 15-03-2020 06:37AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Are flights still able to land in Dublin from say Milan?

No.
If we're going to close off or borders though then it needs to be an island closure. But what's the odds on the DUP insisting that mainland UK travelers should still be able to travel to the north.

They're should be no difference between closing off borders from Spain, Italy, or the mainland UK as it should be decided on an island basis and not political.

NI is in union with the rest of the UK and we're all currently in a union with the EU so it isn't political.

No doubt the DUP will blindly follow the Tory line above the interests of their own constituents again.

Fakediamond · 15-03-2020 06:42AM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/

A good explanation of social distancing in various forms.

Quantum Erasure · 15-03-2020 06:49AM

dashdoll wrote: »

I know for a fact that people running small rural pubs where there were less than 10 people tonight that the guards called about an hour ago, asked them to finish early nicely and gave the heads up that it will be formally announced tomorrow. Anyone hear similar?

well, I was out in one such pub tonight, it was quiet, as it usually would be, kept to our 1 meter distance..., no finishing early, or no warning about being shut tomorrow...

hard to know exactly what the proper advice is, but that's probably part of the strategy, 'reduce social interaction by X amount by issuing such-and-such a statement'

bodhrandude · 15-03-2020 06:50AM

I heard from a few folk in the house that there is going to be an announcement tomorrow about pub closures, I usually play every Monday night in a trad pub in Galway but the gig has been cancelled (Thank god) so will be mainly dedicating my time to social isolation.

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! · 15-03-2020 06:50AM

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

No.
If we're going to close off or borders though then it needs to be an island closure. But what's the odds on the DUP insisting that mainland UK travelers should still be able to travel to the north.

They're should be no difference between closing off borders from Spain, Italy, or the mainland UK as it should be decided on an island basis and not political.

NI is in union with the rest of the UK and we're all currently in a union with the EU so it isn't political.

No doubt the DUP will blindly follow the Tory line above the interests of their own constituents again.

Couldn't we just put some traffic cones on access roads to the north, like we do when you have road works... and only allow local access or goods vehicles to pass through?

You wouldn't necessarily even need Gardai, just pay a few local road labourers with a hi-viz jacket to advise motorists that there is restricted access...

Or do you need cross border co-operation for something like this?

15-03-2020 07:00AM

"We didn't put up a border. We just decided now was a good time to fix all the roads into the North."

voluntary · 15-03-2020 07:10AM

New cases in China increasing second day in a row. Double from yesterday. Reported 8 on Friday, 11 on Saturday and 20 already today.

joeguevara · 15-03-2020 07:12AM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

Couldn't we just put some traffic cones on access roads to the north, like we do when you have road works... and only allow local access or goods vehicles to pass through?

You wouldn't necessarily even need Gardai, just pay a few local road labourers with a hi-viz jacket to advise motorists that there is restricted access...

Or do you need cross border co-operation for something like this?

The issue of a hard border has never been legally tested but it is enshrined in the Good Friday Agreement. If anyone has read the agreement it comes as a surprise on how little is stated about it. The main point is that there is a agreement between Ireland and the U.K. to keep it open.

There is one important clause that focuses on ‘spirit of the agreement’. The purpose is to promote peace so spirit wouldn’t be an issue if the reason was protection of health.

If one country closed it without agreement of other then while may pass a legality test could cause irreparable damage in relationships. It could also be used in future negotiations as a precedent.

If agreement is reached the issue of its enforcement is next part. People have to be able to cross, even if full lockdown down for medical and food supplies, workers like nurses and doctors. Civilians would not be allowed to stop that as restrictions on movement is only conferred on certain people. This could be loosened but vetting would be important.

This is not a security issue and if different lockdown approaches were implemented either side it is important that it is overseen correctly.

Another big issue is the possibility of a considerable amount of prisoners having to be released if they are issues on keeping them in a safe environment. I have not seen much discussion about this.

old_aussie · 15-03-2020 07:14AM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

Couldn't we just put some traffic cones on access roads to the north, like we do when you have road works... and only allow local access or goods vehicles to pass through?

Or do you need cross border co-operation for something like this?

I'd probably ask Greta about that.

Graces7 · 15-03-2020 07:16AM

Good morning out there.

Out here the wind is howling and hard rain on the windows. Turbulent ocean and ruffled air

Wondering if folk are realising the hay fever season is here? I am sneezing and coughing but no way it could be anything but hay fever.

Caught up with a few pages. here; but when I was looking at the news earlier it came across how many folk are actively seeking to help and support. , Doolin with the free meals ( I WISH! ) ,, various folk being available for isolated folk to contact.

Even between a rock and a hard place there is kindness and support.
So much energy here; diverting it is good.

And is all most of us can do. And stay safe and away from folk.

Maybe back later but unwell and tired. Wishing all here well and safe

PS heard from friends working in India. They are not counting cases there as it is so widespread and the police and others finding bodies just throw them in the river. Be thankful to be here. As I am. We have so much

old_aussie · 15-03-2020 07:20AM

voluntary wrote: »

New cases in China increasing second day in a row. Double from yesterday. Reported 8 on Friday, 11 on Saturday and 20 already today.

Oh feck! :eek:

There's always one person who doesn't want to comply with a lock down.

Maybe it's something to do with the 31,000 Chinese students that zig zagged around the world to get back to Australia

CBear1993 · 15-03-2020 07:21AM

voluntary wrote: »

New cases in China increasing second day in a row. Double from yesterday. Reported 8 on Friday, 11 on Saturday and 20 already today.

Yeah “imported” cases, so people entering the country from abroad. Mad to think after all the hard work they’ve put in they’re under threat again from travel.

Today’s world is just a constant passage of movement. How do you combat that unless you close airports?

15-03-2020 07:22AM

Vietnam is the same. Contained it and everyone was cured. Now, infections are coming from Europe.

tobefrank321 · 15-03-2020 07:31AM

Corkgirl20 wrote: »

Is anybody else slightly hoping for a lock down scenario? I mean closure of pubs and retail mainly.

I know we can’t just eliminate the virus through lock down, but we can slow the spread. Let’s be real Ireland doesn’t have a great amount of ICU beds ( a lot less than Italy per population) and I’m not sure about numbers of ventilators. Staff in the hospital seems to be run off their feet as it is.

If we just slow the numbers at least people will get a good chance at being treated and sent home making more space for the next lot to come in and be treated. I really really fear an Italy type scenario where too many people need icu at once and healthcare workers are forced to decide who to give it to.

I’m not fearful for my own health I’m late 20s and healthy but I fear greatly for older people. Im really hoping for a lock down scenario where only essential places like supermarkets and pharmacies stay open. The spread of the virus just needs to slow down so our Hospitals can cope better.
Lock down would only be us being asked to stay home and sit on the couch, it’s not that hard !

The government will wait to see how community transmission is happening and then decide. If retail staff are getting the virus through work they will make a decision on retail.
Best they can do now is track and analyse modes of transmission.

Kermit.de.frog · 15-03-2020 07:36AM

Hoboken, New York has announced night time curfew beginning tomorrow.

yogmeister · 15-03-2020 07:36AM

kalkat2002 wrote: »

Maybe is time to ask for a refund of Usc....
On this country who works is fxck

After this is over we ll be paying double if not triple usc. And rightly so. Its gonna take everyone to take a financial hit for a few years for us to get back on our feet.

Kermit.de.frog · 15-03-2020 07:39AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Vietnam is the same. Contained it and everyone was cured. Now, infections are coming from Europe.

You believe that sh!te?

Myanmar has just announced this...

Myanmar’s government has rejected suggestions that the country has undetected cases of the virus, reiterating that it is free of any infections and that “the lifestyle and diet of Myanmar citizens” has helped protect the country.

They go on to talk about how their citizens use mostly paper money instead of credit cards...

The world knows who the bull****ter countries are and they should pay a price for lying to the world.

I'd put Turkey at the top of the list for example.

manutd83 · 15-03-2020 07:41AM

In work yesterday one person with a cough,was getting funny looks but said he didnt have shortness of breath and a fever,was sent home anyway,made me wonder does everyone get all 3 of them or can it be different on each individual,you would imagine a fever would be there on nearly everyone that has it

PhilOssophy · 15-03-2020 07:43AM

This whole thing just highlights what utter idiots humans are.
People who think "ah sure I'll be grand", or "me cancel or change my plans? How dare somebody suggest that. I have paid my money for this and don't care if I transmit an infectious disease".
Anyone who travelled anywhere in the last few weeks should hang their heads in shame. You are all complicit in its spread.
Just because you could travel, doesn't mean you should have or couldn't have considered whether it was in anybodys best interest to do so.

Thespoofer · 15-03-2020 07:46AM

Just a question I have.
I'm meant to be heading back to work on Wednesday ( Construction, working for an SME) and to be honest I'm not keen on the risks involved, especially working on some of the larger sites.
Do ye think a shutdown is on the cards by then?
Hard for anyone to know but thanks anyway.

Away With The Fairies · 15-03-2020 07:46AM

PhilOssophy wrote: »

This whole thing just highlights what utter idiots humans are.
People who think "ah sure I'll be grand", or "me cancel or change my plans? How dare somebody suggest that. I have paid my money for this and don't care if I transmit an infectious disease".
Anyone who travelled anywhere in the last few weeks should hang their heads in shame. You are all complicit in its spread.
Just because you could travel, doesn't mean you should have or couldn't have considered whether it was in anybodys best interest to do so.

And people with "colds" carrying on as normal. Stay the fcuk home.

ThunbergsAreGo · 15-03-2020 07:50AM

manutd83 wrote: »

In work yesterday one person with a cough,was getting funny looks but said he didnt have shortness of breath and a fever,was sent home anyway,made me wonder does everyone get all 3 of them or can it be different on each individual,you would imagine a fever would be there on nearly everyone that has it

3 percent of tests are positive. A good precaution to send him home. But don't worry unnecessarily.

I had a bit of a temperature and headache last weekend ( most likely sinus related) and worked from home all last week due to it. Safety first is the key message

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