CoVid-19 Part VII - 169 cases ROI (2 deaths) 45 in NI (as of 15 March) *Read OP*

Strazdas wrote: »

Those clips this evening ruined it for the pubs.

Of course it didn't. If not tonight then Paddys day. The idea that people with literally nothing else to do or nothing to be home early to prepare for were going to go to a bar and sit distantly and cautiously was always naive beyond belief.

I'm surprised it didn't look messier and more like the last days of the Roman empire.

Downlinz wrote: »

Only those with symptoms are being asked to isolate separately. Everyone else is just being asked to avoid crowds and stick with their family.

Italy in lockdown. Spain and Cansry islands in full lockdown from Monday. France going into lockdown this minute. Germany will most likely be next and Ireland in next few days.

spookwoman wrote: »

nuff saif
https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1238974311681015808?s=20

Now I'm no fan of that thing, but I thought he said "If it wasn't, I wouldn't have been here"

political analyst wrote: »

Is it reasonable to accuse people who are going to pubs and restaurants of being selfish?! The only way they'd be putting the lives of others in danger is if they were in close contact with elderly people and those younger people who have serious health problems.

So you think it's okay for young healthy people to contract the virus as long as they try not to go near any old or sick people?

cf Virus Shedding times

Clinical course and risk factors for mortality of adultinpatients with COVID-19 in Wuhan, China: a retrospective cohort study
Fei Zhou*, Ting Yu*, Ronghui Du*, Guohui Fan*, Ying Liu*, Zhibo Liu*, Jie Xiang*, Yeming Wang, Bin Song, Xiaoying Gu, Lulu Guan, Yuan Wei,
Hui Li, Xudong Wu, Jiuyang Xu, Shengjin Tu, Yi Zhang, Hua Chen, Bin Cao
Summary
Background Since December, 2019, Wuhan, China, has experienced an outbreak of coronavirus disease 2019
(COVID-19), caused by the severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2). Epidemiological and
clinical characteristics of patients with COVID-19 have been reported but risk factors for mortality and a detailed
clinical course of illness, including viral shedding, have not been well described.
Methods In this retrospective, multicentre cohort study, we included all adult inpatients (≥18 years old) with laboratoryconfirmed COVID-19 from Jinyintan Hospital and Wuhan Pulmonary Hospital (Wuhan, China) who had been
discharged or had died by Jan 31, 2020. Demographic, clinical, treatment, and laboratory data, including serial
samples for viral RNA detection, were extracted from electronic medical records and compared between survivors
and non-survivors. We used univariable and multivariable logistic regression methods to explore the risk factors
associated with in-hospital death.
Findings 191 patients (135 from Jinyintan Hospital and 56 from Wuhan Pulmonary Hospital) were included in this
study, of whom 137 were discharged and 54 died in hospital. 91 (48%) patients had a comorbidity, with hypertension
being the most common (58 [30%] patients), followed by diabetes (36 [19%] patients) and coronary heart disease
(15 [8%] patients). Multivariable regression showed increasing odds of in-hospital death associated with older age
(odds ratio 1·10, 95% CI 1·03–1·17, per year increase; p=0·0043), higher Sequential Organ Failure Assessment (SOFA)
score (5·65, 2·61–12·23; p<0·0001), and d-dimer greater than 1 µg/mL (18·42, 2·64–128·55; p=0·0033) on admission.
Median duration of viral shedding was 20·0 days (IQR 17·0–24·0) in survivors, but SARS-CoV-2 was detectable until
death in non-survivors. The longest observed duration of viral shedding in survivors was 37 days.
Interpretation The potential risk factors of older age, high SOFA score, and d-dimer greater than 1 µg/mL could help
clinicians to identify patients with poor prognosis at an early stage. Prolonged viral shedding provides the rationale
for a strategy of isolation of infected patients and optimal antiviral interventions in the future.

source The Lancet (emphasis added)

Mena Mitty wrote: »

I live in Offaly and many of the pubs are closing their doors tonight or already closed until further notice.

Bressie posted on Twitter earlier that the pubs in Mullingar were all closed or are closing tonight.

It's getting scary now.

Pubs closing isn't scary.
The reports some of us are hearing from ICUs in Italy and now even the Mater are scary.

The imminent lockdown / restriction measures should be welcomed by any sane person.
This will be great news if we want to save lives as best we can.
I'm not saying it won't be easy, but it has to do done.

spookwoman wrote: »

Probably what he was thinking

Ah here. I'm not fan of his but we are reaching now

And good news if true that he doesn't have it.

Is anyone else struggling with people who think they're overreacting?

It seems most people on Ireland have a fair amount of cop on and are being very cautious and sensible, and the government have done a good job at shutting lots of stuff down.

I'm over in the UK at the minute and it's mostly business at usual. All the hand gel and toilet paper sold out, yet pubs are busy, restaurants are busy, trains packed.

I'm avoiding being inside anywhere I don't need to be, including supermarkets, and some people here are mocking me and telling me I'm insane. I had a friend come round for a glass of wine and asked him to wash his hands for 20 seconds when he arrived (because he showed no sign of going to do it, and started touching the bottle and other stuff in the kitchen) and he went mental at me and stormed out.

Am I being totally paranoid here? I feel like I'm on another planet compared to the people around me.

Is fair workers will face financial problems,unpaid leaves,losing of jobs...and those ones on the dole that doesn't want to work zero problems
Crap of system

We need to do a few things stat.

Close pubs
Stop flights into ireland
Start producing ventilators, face masks and other necessary equipment
can we quickly convert a factory to produce them?

skimpydoo wrote: »

You can fail once, and still have it because some people have only tested positive after at least 2 plus tests.

Good point,

From articles online, the quality of the results is tied to the specimen site eg a general swab of the mouth or nose isn’t as reliable as phlegm obtained through coughing. So a negative test result is linked to a general swab.

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

Is anyone else struggling with people who think they're overreacting?

It seems most people on Ireland have a fair amount of cop on and are being very cautious and sensible, and the government have done a good job at shutting lots of stuff down.

I'm over in the UK at the minute and it's mostly business at usual. All the hand gel and toilet paper sold out, yet pubs are busy, restaurants are busy, trains packed.

I'm avoiding being inside anywhere I don't need to be, including supermarkets, and some people here are mocking me and telling me I'm insane. I had a friend come round for a glass of wine and asked him to wash his hands for 20 seconds when he arrived (because he showed no sign of going to do it, and started touching the bottle and other stuff in the kitchen) and he went mental at me and stormed out.

Am I being totally paranoid here? I feel like I'm on another planet compared to the people around me.

Eh yeah! My parents are 59/60 and think I'm bonkers. I've suggested they pop a few bits aside but don't seem to be taking my advice, much to my worry and disappointment. I don't know how much more I can do.

Pacing Mule wrote: »

Everyone is rightly saying the idiots in temple bar tonight etc.

But the pubs that are open (bad enough) and allowing jam packed crowds (criminally negligent) deserve more scorn. People wouldn't be there if they weren't open.

Pubs wouldn't be long about closing if there were no customers.

Owners wouldn't be too long about sending staff home and telling them "sorry lads, not work and no pay for this week"

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

Is anyone else struggling with people who think they're overreacting?

It seems most people on Ireland have a fair amount of cop on and are being very cautious and sensible, and the government have done a good job at shutting lots of stuff down.

I'm over in the UK at the minute and it's mostly business at usual. All the hand gel and toilet paper sold out, yet pubs are busy, restaurants are busy, trains packed.

I'm avoiding being inside anywhere I don't need to be, including supermarkets, and some people here are mocking me and telling me I'm insane. I had a friend come round for a glass of wine and asked him to wash his hands for 20 seconds when he arrived (because he showed no sign of going to do it, and started touching the bottle and other stuff in the kitchen) and he went mental at me and stormed out.

Am I being totally paranoid here? I feel like I'm on another planet compared to the people around me.

It's terrifying how many people are so preoccupied with their God-given right to do as they please that they will rubbish anything they don't like the sound of, regardless of reasoning or explanation.

I've shared one of the viral facebook messages on the go tonight about the pubs and had people reply to tell me the numbers are bollocks, the facts are bollocks. They simply aren't. It's nearly more depressing to see so many heads in the sand as it is to see the virus itself unfolding.