Token women commentators in men’rt

Ironicname · 10-03-2020 8:36pm

ohnonotgmail wrote:

And i'm sure you can tell me in what ways it is different. Why dont you educate us all?

Well the first thing would be the probability of severe injury being much higher in the male sport so the balance between defence and attack would be very different than it would be for women. It's why trans MMA fighters/boxers competing against biological women is a nightmare.

But I'm sure in your mind it's all the very same. Because men and women are identical.

ohnonotgmail · 10-03-2020 9:18pm

Ironicname wrote: »

Well the first thing would be the probability of severe injury being much higher in the male sport so the balance between defence and attack would be very different than it would be for women. It's why trans MMA fighters/boxers competing against biological women is a nightmare.

But I'm sure in your mind it's all the very same. Because men and women are identical.

tell Joanna Jedrzejczyk that the probability of injury is much lower. and that fight was at strawweight.

Greyfox · 10-03-2020 9:29pm

Ironicname wrote: »

But I'm sure in your mind it's all the very same. Because men and women are identical.

Nobody's saying their identical. Someone like Katie Taylor wouldn't know anywhere near as much as Mike Tyson but would still know a lot more about men's boxing than the majority of boxing fans.

theoneeyedman · 10-03-2020 9:35pm

Lisa Fallon may be the 'token ' female on RTE tonight, but has more to contribute than either Richie or the other lad in fairness to her.

bobbyss · 10-03-2020 9:37pm

dobman88 wrote:

Joanne Cantwell and Jacqui Hurley the 2 best sports broadcasters in RTE imo. Watch Allianz League Sunday tonight and then watch the Sunday game during the summer when Des Cahill is hosting. Absolutely no comparison, Joanne miles better. Jacqui Hurleys knowledge would put most people to shame and it's a pity shes not used more on telly.

Except Hurley's accent is insufferable.

Silentcorner · 10-03-2020 9:38pm

theoneeyedman wrote: »

Lisa Fallon may be the 'token ' female on RTE tonight, but has more to contribute than either Richie or the other lad in fairness to her.

Are you serious???

I watched it tonight and thought to myself she must be reading from a script, her conversation felt laboured and banal.

You need a bit of slickness to make guff sound believable and credible she sounded as slick as a 10 year old.

Girly Gal · 10-03-2020 11:01pm

bobbyss wrote: »

Except Hurley's accent is insufferable.

Jacqui Hurley might be knowledgeable about sport but she a terrible tv presenter, can't understand how she keeps getting opportunities to present sport on tv.

Ironicname · 10-03-2020 11:10pm

ohnonotgmail wrote:

tell Joanna Jedrzejczyk that the probability of injury is much lower. and that fight was at strawweight.

Yes. That was horrific. But the probability of that happening to her was much lower than it would be for a man facing a man. That's why I said probability. Obviously there are exceptions.

Ironicname · 10-03-2020 11:13pm

Greyfox wrote:

Nobody's saying their identical. Someone like Katie Taylor wouldn't know anywhere near as much as Mike Tyson but would still know a lot more about men's boxing than the majority of boxing fans.

Exactly. And that's why I am not advocating that simply being a boxing fan would make you a good pundit.

You seem to think I am saying that female boxers don't know more than the casual fan.

Silly.

theoneeyedman · 10-03-2020 11:15pm

Silentcorner wrote: »

Are you serious???

I watched it tonight and thought to myself she must be reading from a script, her conversation felt laboured and banal.

You need a bit of slickness to make guff sound believable and credible she sounded as slick as a 10 year old.

I'm deadly serious.

Lisa knows her stuff, and I've heard her a few times over the years on pods and radio shows. The problem with what you're saying is you end up with people like Jermaine Jenas and the likes who are slick and look nice, but add nothing to the conversation.

ohnonotgmail · 10-03-2020 11:17pm

Ironicname wrote: »

Yes. That was horrific. But the probability of that happening to her was much lower than it would be for a man facing a man. That's why I said probability. Obviously there are exceptions.

Women get cut just as much as the men. and any difference is down to women fighting in lower weight classes. nothing else.

Ironicname · 10-03-2020 11:18pm

theoneeyedman wrote:

The problem with what you're saying is you end up with people like Jermaine Jenas and the likes who are slick and look nice, but add nothing to the conversation.

Careful, Aul SpongeBob will be on in a second to tell you how gay that sounds.

sbsquarepants wrote:

Maybe even a tad gay? (Not that there's anything wrong with that, just not my particular cupÃ¡n tae)

ohnonotgmail · 10-03-2020 11:18pm

Ironicname wrote: »

Not many men on the loose women panel. Are they sexist?

the clue is in the name. even an idiot could understand that

Ironicname · 10-03-2020 11:19pm

ohnonotgmail wrote:

Women get cut just as much as the men. and any difference is down to women fighting in lower weight classes. nothing else.

It's just weight then? A male fighter and a female fighter at equal weights would be equally as strong?

Ironicname · 10-03-2020 11:20pm

ohnonotgmail wrote:

the clue is in the name. even an idiot could understand that

Is it sexist to have an all women panel show?

ohnonotgmail · 10-03-2020 11:22pm

Ironicname wrote: »

It's just weight then? A male fighter and a female fighter at equal weights would be equally as strong?

that isnt what i said. you seem to have a severe understanding problem.

Silentcorner · 10-03-2020 11:22pm

theoneeyedman wrote: »

I'm deadly serious.

Lisa knows her stuff, and I've heard her a few times over the years on pods and radio shows. The problem with what you're saying is you end up with people like Jermaine Jenas and the likes who are slick and look nice, but add nothing to the conversation.

What exactly did she contribute tonight to the discussion that you were so impressed by.

She didn't get a word in at half time, she did make a contribution after the match that was an improvement on what I heard her say before the game...but she stuck out, I don't think she is even comfortable doing this job.

YFlyer · 10-03-2020 11:26pm

theoneeyedman wrote: »

I'm deadly serious.

Lisa knows her stuff, and I've heard her a few times over the years on pods and radio shows. The problem with what you're saying is you end up with people like Jermaine Jenas and the likes who are slick and look nice, but add nothing to the conversation.

I want to listen to pundits that have been in the mix.

Ironicname · 10-03-2020 11:30pm

ohnonotgmail wrote:

that isnt what i said. you seem to have a severe understanding problem.

I don't. You have a problem with getting your point across without being either vague or attempting to be condescending.

A man fighting another man in boxing has a higher chance of being seriously injured than a woman fighting a woman.

That is my point.

c.p.w.g.w · 10-03-2020 11:30pm

theoneeyedman wrote: »

Lisa Fallon may be the 'token ' female on RTE tonight, but has more to contribute than either Richie or the other lad in fairness to her.

Well she has the highest available coaching qualifications. She has also worked as a scout/analyst for northern Ireland & Scotland. So in fact probably better than most former footballer's(male or female) to comment on a game

Silentcorner · 10-03-2020 11:33pm

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

Well she has the highest available coaching qualifications. She has also worked as a scout/analyst for northern Ireland & Scotland. So in fact probably better than most former footballer's(male or female) to comment on a game

Ahhh that would explain it...it felt like she was reading from a script or manual.

sbsquarepants · 11-03-2020 10:01am

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

A postman/woman is not a gender-specific career.

Men's professional football is a gender-specific sport/career.

(It's really not that complicated - the clue is in the name of the sport - MEN'S professional football)

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You're right there Greta. The clue is in the nameS

Mens professional football

TV pundit

Ironicname wrote: »

If you had been on the other side of the argument, you'd have been labelled all types of "phobe" for that comment by some posters here.

Luckily enough you are on "their side" so they've let it slide.

I told you - I'm not in the least bit PC. I couldn't give a rats arse about gender quotas and so on, they are an absolutely terrible idea. But the suggestion that any woman couldn't possibly watch, understand and discuss a game of football, is just idiotic in the extreme. It's one of the most stupid things i've ever heard on boards....and that really is saying something.

Ironicname wrote: »

Careful, Aul SpongeBob will be on in a second to tell you how gay that sounds.

It does sound a tad ginger to be honest.
I mean look at Alex, look at her i said!
There are only 2 types of men who aren't impressed. Blind men and.......:D

YFlyer wrote: »

I want to listen to pundits that have been in the mix.

I want to listen to pundits who know what they are talking about, are willing to speak their minds and are capable of doing so concisely and coherently. That rules out a huge chunk of players. I couldn't care less about their gender, their colour, their sexuality or their favourite breed of dog for that matter.

All the players get media coaching these days and the result is 80 -90% of the time it doesn't matter which player from which team is being interviewed you just get the same bland generic answers, it's all about the 3 points, we need to take the positives from this and work on it, we're just focusing on the next game, bla bla fúcking boring bla.

There are precious few people in the world blessed with the holy trinity of intelligence, eloquence and world class athletic ability. When it comes to talking on the telly for a living, world class athletic ability is the least important of the 3!

And remember it's supposed to be entertainment ffs!

Deebles McBeebles · 11-03-2020 10:19am

I'll add 3 things. Because, thats why.

1. Gender quotas are ridiculous and insulting, to both sexes.
2. I don't care what sex the pundit is as long as they know what they are talking about and don't bore me senseless.
3. I would also ride Alex Scott.

sbsquarepants · 11-03-2020 10:32am

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

3. I would also ride Alex Scott.

Finally, a beacon of sense slices through the fog of idiotic bullshít

ohnonotgmail · 11-03-2020 10:33am

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Finally, a beacon of sense slices through the fog of idiotic bullshít

To be fair that is a given and didnt need to be explicly stated. But for the record i would also ride her. Alex, if you're reading this, PM me.

Deebles McBeebles · 11-03-2020 2:09pm

Well that settles it then, I hereby commandeer this thread about sexism or pundits or whatever and make it the Alexandra Virina Scott Appreciation Thread.

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Please keep fan-fiction to a PG level. True stories about meeting Alex would be appreciated.

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! · 11-03-2020 3:22pm

sbsquarepants wrote: »

You're right there Greta. The clue is in the nameS

Mens professional football

TV pundit

No game = no pundits.

Pundits absolutely part of the sport. No question!

They literally cannot exist without it!

I told you - I'm not in the least bit PC. I couldn't give a rats arse about gender quotas and so on, they are an absolutely terrible idea. But the suggestion that any woman couldn't possibly watch, understand and discuss a game of football, is just idiotic in the extreme. It's one of the most stupid things i've ever heard on boards....and that really is saying something.

It's a completely irrelevant point...

If she was a great pundit (which she isn't btw), then her appropriate place would still be in a studio talking about a woman's football match... stop taking a seat away from male ex-players/managers in their sport! It is discrimination against men in their own sport!

It does sound a tad ginger to be honest.
I mean look at Alex, look at her i said!
There are only 2 types of men who aren't impressed. Blind men and.......:D

You know someone is losing the argument, when they have to start casting aspersions on someone else's sexuality, simply because they wish to listen to male pundits talking about men's football matches!

Not to mention scoring a spectacular own-goal (pun intended), in a debate where you are trying to prove that a female pundit deserves to be there on merit regardless of what is between her legs! (Yep definitely not token eye candy - but you're gay if you don't want her there - you couldn't make this nonsense up! Honestly...) :pac:

Seriously, how immature do you have to be to approach an argument in this manner? Not to mention insecure in your own sexuality!?

This is why I never even bothered responding to your childish jibe previously... or reporting it (which I could have done)... I'm perfectly happy for that comment to be in this thread. So everyone can see how desperate you are getting!

Btw, I don't need to buy a sky subscription to get that type of entertainment... in fact I don't need to pay any money to get it... perhaps that's part of your problem, you do need to pay for it... trying to save some money with a 2 for 1 sports + girls package, eh?? Poor you!

I'm here for the football. So I want quality male experts talking about the men's professional game... not an unreasonable request. And certainly in no way sexist either!

If I can't get high quality one's... I'll settle for average one's... but there is no inherent obligation to settle for female pundits instead of men in the men's professional game! Again, absolutely nothing sexist about this whatsoever!

Bobblehats · 11-03-2020 3:29pm

I like it. I like to be taken aback by their sharp insight and keen love of the game

sbsquarepants · 11-03-2020 4:22pm

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

You know someone is losing the argument, when they have to start casting aspersions on someone else's sexuality, simply because they wish to listen to male pundits talking about men's football matches!

I don't really care what your sexuality is, my issue is that you are talking complete bollox.

You never answered my question about Sian Massey by the way. Do you think she can do her job, or would you like to see a man do it instead?

Greyfox · 11-03-2020 8:38pm

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

So I want quality male experts talking about the men's professional game... not an unreasonable request. And certainly in no way sexist either!

Anybody who doesn't want to listen to a pundit due to the fact that shes female is a sexist. Theirs no rules to state that a woman isn't allowed be a pundit on male sport.

IAMAMORON · 11-03-2020 8:46pm

Greyfox wrote: »

Anybody who doesn't want to listen to a pundit due to the fact that shes female is a sexist. Theirs no rules to state that a woman isn't allowed be a pundit on male sport.

I must be a sexist so...….

ILoveYourVibes · 11-03-2020 9:25pm

My main gripe is why a lot of male pundits have no experience of being jockeys or being in racing ...or have any knowledge of horses. Its quite embarrassing at times.

ILoveYourVibes · 11-03-2020 9:27pm

FunLover18 wrote: »

What does it matter the difference in sports, most sports journalists don't even play the sport they write about, certainly not at the top level, most film critics don't make films. The "token" females pundits are way more qualified to talk about these sports than 99% of the lads watching them.

Yeah ..i've noticed its usually ex sports women who really know their stuff ...against a guy with a media degree who doesn't know a thing.
Partic in Horse racing.

ILoveYourVibes · 11-03-2020 9:28pm

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I must be a sexist so...….

You are your name.

If i am watching a sport ..it means i have an interest in it. I know a bit about it.

I want to be listening to commentary that can teach me something from a true expert on that sport not an expert on sports commentary.

Omackeral · 11-03-2020 9:32pm

Greyfox wrote: »

Anybody who doesn't want to listen to a pundit due to the fact that shes female is a sexist.

Not entirely true. You might just want to hear from somebody who has played at the top level of the sport you're watching or has been in the big games.

ILoveYourVibes · 11-03-2020 9:56pm

Omackeral wrote: »

Not entirely true. You might just want to hear from somebody who has played at the top level of the sport you're watching or has been in the big games.

That's fine. Then it doesn't matter if its a female ex golfer etc or a male one.

Omackeral · 11-03-2020 10:00pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

That's fine. Then it doesn't matter if its a female ex golfer etc or a male one.

I've no interest in golf but I'm assuming men play at a much higher level given strength and whatnot? As far as football goes, the women's hasn't a patch on the men's and I say that as someone who enjoyed the Women's World Cup last year.

11-03-2020 10:03pm

Omackeral wrote: »

I've no interest in golf but I'm assuming men play at a much higher level given strength and whatnot? As far as football goes, the women's hasn't a patch on the men's and I say that as someone who enjoyed the Women's World Cup last year.

It’s grand to watch, well in that meh sense that I’ll never care about a team playing it, and fairly entertaining. But it’s basically a different sport to the men’s game.

Omackeral · 11-03-2020 10:11pm

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

It’s grand to watch, well in that meh sense that I’ll never care about a team playing it, and fairly entertaining. But it’s basically a different sport to the men’s game.

Watching the keepers trying to catch the ball is definitely good craic.

ILoveYourVibes · 11-03-2020 10:12pm

Omackeral wrote: »

I've no interest in golf but I'm assuming men play at a much higher level given strength and whatnot? As far as football goes, the women's hasn't a patch on the men's and I say that as someone who enjoyed the Women's World Cup last year.

That's bs. Half the pundits in football have been out of the game years ...and would not have half the knowledge modern female players have.

Men are just irritated by everything women do out of the bedroom. Its childish.

11-03-2020 10:15pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

That's bs. Half the pundits in football have been out of the game years ...and would not have half the knowledge modern female players have.

Men are just irritated by everything women do out of the bedroom. Its childish.

That little tantrum style attitude because everyone doesn’t think like you is the only thing that’s childish here.

Ironicname · 11-03-2020 10:18pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote:

Men are just irritated by everything women do out of the bedroom. Its childish.

Without a sense of irony, you make a sweeping statement about all men.

Amazing.

Omackeral · 11-03-2020 10:19pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Men are just irritated by everything women do out of the bedroom. Its childish.

That's bloody childish. And ridiculous.

ILoveYourVibes · 11-03-2020 10:19pm

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

That little tantrum style attitude because everyone doesn’t think like you is the only thing that’s childish here.

That's such a sexist comment. Undermine a female poster by ignoring the substance and logic of her post and accusing her of throwing a tantrum.

What about all the male pundits on rhythmic gymnastics etc? Because its a female sport and all the pundits are mostly male?? They can't ever have participated.

Should they all be fired?

Should no men be allowed comment on female sports? I mean they have different bodies. What do they know?

Female sports get only 4% of media coverage. And this is leading to the influence of male minds against women.

Sports can be used for good or evil.

The world of football is a hub of racism and misogyny.

I honestly think the sports people must hate the fans they have.

ILoveYourVibes · 11-03-2020 10:20pm

Omackeral wrote: »

That's bloody childish.

Don't be so triggered. ITS A JOKE.

Omackeral · 11-03-2020 10:21pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Men are just irritated by everything women do out of the bedroom.

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ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

That's such a sexist comment.

I agree.

ILoveYourVibes · 11-03-2020 10:22pm

Omackeral wrote: »

.

I agree.

Where is the male sense of humor located?? Is yours malfunctioning?

Omackeral · 11-03-2020 10:22pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Female sports get only 4% of media coverage. And this is leading to the influence of male minds against women.

Maybe more girls need to get out their and support their sisters in the stands.

IAMAMORON · 11-03-2020 10:23pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

You are your name.

If i am watching a sport ..it means i have an interest in it. I know a bit about it.

I want to be listening to commentary that can teach me something from a true expert on that sport not an expert on sports commentary.

I thought you were into Motorbikes?

Omackeral · 11-03-2020 10:23pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Don't be so triggered. ITS A JOKE.

It's hard to know with you. You literally said the world of football is a hub of misogyny.

Token women commentators in men’rt

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