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Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) *Read warnings in OP*

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    #9482
    Fr_Dougal
    Registered Users Posts: 9,167 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    It’s the Cheltenham thing that’s really annoying. The majority of our cases from Italy happened with travel before any of this kicked off. Cheltenham on the other hand is pure recklessness.


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    #9483
    Humberto Salazar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 624 ✭✭✭Humberto Salazar


    megabomberman wrote: »
    You can ignore Luke O'Neill, he's been woefully uninformed and complacent about the virus from the very start. Last night on Primetime he admitted that he was coming to the realisation that asymptomatic transmission might be occurring "if that turns out to be true". He is a complete disgrace.

    He was on Pat Kenny a few weeks ago and this started to emerge. Effectively said this wouldn't be a problem, not to worry. He may be an expert in his field, but as far as COVID-19 goes, he's learning like the rest.


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    #9484
    RandomName2
    Registered Users Posts: 5,566 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    nthclare wrote: »
    WE BAILED OUT THE BANKS AND THE SYSTEM
    NOW ITS OUR TURN TO GET OUR PERCENTAGE OF OUR EXTRA TAXES AND TARRIFS BACK

    That's a good analogy.

    In 2008 the world faced a financial crisis and it was up to all individual countries to shoulder significant pain in order to stay solvent. Some countries were of course hit harder than others.

    Unlike the 2008 financial crisis though, early work can pay dividends.


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    #9485
    laurah591
    Registered Users Posts: 326 ✭✭laurah591


    Graces7 wrote: »
    As workers in the nursing homes come in from their homes etc? Are they wearing masks? Why cannot visitors wear masks. gowns etc?

    Rather than separate families when folk are very old? Family ties are precious.
    This could go on a long time.

    Workers dont have masks - given a shortage of masks globally and the media msg being sent out in Ireland - masks dont work - i cant see how that is a workable solution

    This virus may be with us for awhile - but we need to learn about it first and ease restrictions when we are happy we understand the risks and can mitigate against them. At the moment - even though the media is discussing this topic 24/7; i believe there is a level of complacency creeping in - the ah sure everyone will contract this - little can be done. I believe better to be prudent now with our vulnerable

    As a matter of interest - are you inviting people to visit you in isolation?


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    #9486
    RandomName2
    Registered Users Posts: 5,566 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    It’s the Cheltenham thing that’s really annoying. The majority of our cases from Italy happened with travel before any of this kicked off. Cheltenham on the other hand is pure recklessness.

    If you had halted the flights from Italy three weeks ago, you could have Cheltenham go ahead with no concern about infections. It's a knock on effect. It's the fact that there was no screening, checks, or halting of flights from Italy that caused us to get the infection, and because of that other things that would have been risk free are now dangerous.


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    #9487
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    paddy19 wrote: »
    Compare and contrast coverage on BBC Newsnight and Virgin Tonight Show last night.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000g6ps/newsnight-10032020
    (Unfortunately you will need a VPN to play this)

    https://www.virginmediatelevision.ie/player/show/1294

    BCC had fact based coverage with two recognised experts explaining why an immediate lock down does not work. Two renowned experts Larry Brilliant (great name) and Dr. Bruce Aylward gave data based expert advise.

    Tonight show had one great Irish expert taking a controlled fact based approach and John Crown a cancer consultant called for immediate lock down based on his 20 years cancer experience. If I had cancer Dr. Crown would be high of list to talk to understand my options. I don't understand how 20 years treating cancel qualifies Dr. Crown to hold forth with absolute certainly on how we should handle a virus.

    If I had a complex electrical problem with my car that I couldn't fix I would try to find a mechanic who specialised in electrical faults or knew my car model or preferably both.

    For this viral epidemic we need to listen to experts who spent years in this area. Common sense does not apply to complex evolving problems. Data, analysis and expertise are the way to go.

    It really cheeses me off when the Irish media put people on shows who have no expertise or experience in treating viruses. Their recommendations have no more validity than anyone picked on the street.

    Dr Crowne is actually right though,the virus will harm already sick people, delaying their recovery from underlying conditions and killing many who otherwise would survive
    Dealing with immunocompromised patients all the time and the fact 10s of 1000's in Ireland are immunocompromised and could die unnecessarily makes Dr Crowne a very valid expert to have on


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    #9488
    completedit
    Registered Users Posts: 2,639 ✭✭✭completedit


    Humberto Salazar wrote: »
    He was on Pat Kenny a few weeks ago and this started to emerge. Effectively said this wouldn't be a problem, not to worry. He may be an expert in his field, but as far as COVID-19 goes, he's learning like the rest.

    Was on Davis McWilliams spouting the same stuff. I get it but he he seems like one of these overly rational people who can’t imagine that a virus he’s never encountered before may have big consequences. I’d be very suspicious when I hear of people saying things like “80% of people will be absolutely fine”


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    #9489
    [Deleted User]
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    RandomName2 wrote: »
    No recoveries, no deaths. I think that's all that's been said.

    I hope they’re all doing ok. It would be reassuring to hear how they are whatever stage they’re at.


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    #9490
    MuffinsDa
    Registered Users Posts: 1,225 ✭✭✭MuffinsDa


    Gods Gift wrote: »
    If the schools close you’ll have parents driving them the length and breath of the country to some activity to try and tire out the little fookers.

    If they are so monumentally stupid to do that in the midst of an effective lockdown then there's no hope for the country.

    IMHO A moany kid in the house for a few weeks is far better than a dead parent outside of a hospital with no ICU beds available. Simple as that.


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    #9491
    marilynrr
    Registered Users Posts: 590 ✭✭✭marilynrr


    Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »
    Do we know the health status of all those who have been confirmed yet?

    Are they all doing ok?


    A couple of days ago they said one of the women had an underlying health condition and was seriously ill.


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    #9492
    Ann22
    Registered Users Posts: 8,004 ✭✭✭Ann22


    RandomName2 wrote: »

    A vascular clinic sounds important, and that's probably a totally different thing from going to the cinema or bingo that could be just cut out. There's also another consideration that it may be safer to go to the clinic now than in a week or two's time.

    She was told to postpone would put it off for 6mths. She has very fragile skin from long term steroid use and varicose veins. Has had ulcers. Her legs are a big prob. Easily injured but I suppose in itself it's not a life threatening condition. She wants me to tell her what to do. I'd feel dreadful if she fell ill after attending if I tell her to go ahead.


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    #9493
    RandomName2
    Registered Users Posts: 5,566 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    Humberto Salazar wrote: »
    Effectively said this wouldn't be a problem, not to worry. He may be an expert in his field, but as far as COVID-19 goes, he's learning like the rest.

    Learning pretty bloody slowly.

    He reminds me of the French generals in WW2 learning about combined arms warfare, mechanized mobility, and the importance of fast reaction and strong communication just as the Germans were making it to the channel. I'm sure the fact that they were high ranking generals made them not think they had to pay attention to advances in methods of war.

    I could have told him about asymptomatic spread back in late January, because there was evidence of it at the time. There is no excuse for him being stupid or ignoring evidence.


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    #9494
    Boggles
    Registered Users Posts: 39,866 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Mortelaro wrote: »
    The issue with extreme close downs is,you may be just delaying the inevitable
    When you open back up its rife again because no natural immunity has been built up

    Essentially the response to this is to delay it until health services are at least half ready
    There is no avoiding it this year

    Herd immunity would require at least 50% infection and recovery. That would fúck us.

    Extreme close downs work, what may or may happen is guess work.


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    #9495
    coolshannagh28
    Registered Users Posts: 1,476 ✭✭✭coolshannagh28


    Humberto Salazar wrote: »
    He was on Pat Kenny a few weeks ago and this started to emerge. Effectively said this wouldn't be a problem, not to worry. He may be an expert in his field, but as far as COVID-19 goes, he's learning like the rest.

    Is a good media performer but a poor decision maker and worth ignoring .


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    #9496
    flynnlives
    Registered Users Posts: 739 ✭✭✭flynnlives


    identified cases are whats has happened 5 to 10 days ago.

    Taiwan and South Korea have been extreemely aggressive in tackling this head on.

    TBH **** the economy at this stage! This will last most of the year so a global recession is gauranteed.
    Lets take the necessery draconian options now whilst we still have time. Acting now may mean we come out of this much better then other countries and we will save a few more lives.

    Sitting around and waiting and seeing is folly at this stage. I reckon the brits have priced in massive deaths already and are happy to see this play out. Thats real bad for us. Cheltenham going ahead is whats gonna make this a disaster.

    This isnt going to blow over. And i reckon im not overreacting.
    The 8th largest economy in the world is in Quarantine ffs! Time to wake up and face facts. This is a global disaster.


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    #9497
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I thought about this last night. I have been on the islands off the West coast before. I wondered would if make any sense to rent on Tory for a year.

    Tory Island, you mean Britain?

    😂


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    #9498
    [Deleted User]
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    Ann22 wrote: »
    She was told to postpone would put it off for 6mths. She has very fragile skin from long term steroid use and varicose veins. Has had ulcers. Her legs are a big prob. Easily injured but I suppose in itself it's not a life threatening condition. She wants me to tell her what to do. I'd feel dreadful if she fell ill after attending if I tell her to go ahead.

    How about you wait in the car and have them ring you when they are ready to see her? That will limit the time she is waiting around.


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    #9499
    otnomart
    Registered Users Posts: 4,065 ✭✭✭otnomart


    Merkel now holding a joint press conference with the Minister of Health and experts .
    This is her first public appearance addressing the COVID19 epidemic specifically.
    https://www.bundesregierung.de/breg-de/mediathek/live-aus-dem-kanzleramt/bundespressekonferenz-mit-bundeskanzlerin-merkel-bundesgesundheitsminister-spahn-und-dem-chef-des-robert-koch-instituts-wieler-1729732


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    #9500
    DrumSteve
    Registered Users Posts: 10,799 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    flynnlives wrote: »
    identified cases are whats has happened 5 to 10 days ago.

    Taiwan and South Korea have been extreemely aggressive in tackling this head on.

    TBH **** the economy at this stage! This will last most of the year so a global recession is gauranteed.
    Lets take the necessery draconian options now whilst we still have time. Acting now may mean we come out of this much better then other countries and we will save a few more lives.

    Sitting around and waiting and seeing is folly at this stage. I reckon the brits have priced in massive deaths already and are happy to see this play out. Thats real bad for us. Cheltenham going ahead is whats gonna make this a disaster.

    Boris literally said as much on This Morning the other day.


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    #9501
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    flynnlives wrote: »
    identified cases are whats has happened 5 to 10 days ago.

    Taiwan and South Korea have been extreemely aggressive in tackling this head on.

    TBH **** the economy at this stage! This will last most of the year so a global recession is gauranteed.
    Lets take the necessery draconian options now whilst we still have time. Acting now may mean we come out of this much better then other countries and we will save a few more lives.

    Sitting around and waiting and seeing is folly at this stage. I reckon the brits have priced in massive deaths already and are happy to see this play out. Thats real bad for us. Cheltenham going ahead is whats gonna make this a disaster.

    Exactly, we needed/need to be proactive

    I bet Taiwan, SK or Singapore dont views these measures as draconian, they see it as nessassary


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    #9502
    RandomName2
    Registered Users Posts: 5,566 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    all about the mane wrote: »
    Why not move there?

    You're being a smart arse I reckon but to answer your question:
    Three reasons
    1. I don't speak Ukranian. I could earn no money there, making living quite difficult.
    2. If the place is already going into lockdown that pretty much precludes moving there. I am pretty sure they would be unhappy with someone coming from a country with an unchecked infection going there.
    3. While this is great that the Ukraine is doing this, it will ultimately be for nothing if the rest of Europe doesn't get its act together. You can clear yourself of the infection and be reinfected by your neighbor.


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    #9503
    quokula
    Registered Users Posts: 3,585 ✭✭✭quokula


    completedit wrote: »
    Was on Davis McWilliams spouting the same stuff. I get it but he he seems like one of these overly rational people who can’t imagine that a virus he’s never encountered before may have big consequences. I’d be very suspicious when I hear of people saying things like “80% of people will be absolutely fine”

    There's nothing wrong with being rational. It's totally accurate to say 80% of people will be absolutely fine. In fact, far more than 99% of people are absolutely fine in China, Korea and Italy, two of whom have passed their peak, while Italy looks like they're about to pass their peak based on yesterdays numbers. And it's unlikely many other countries will be hit as hard as those three as much more is known at this point.


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    #9504
    all about the mane
    Registered Users Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭all about the mane


    flynnlives wrote: »
    identified cases are whats has happened 5 to 10 days ago.

    Taiwan and South Korea have been extreemely aggressive in tackling this head on.

    TBH **** the economy at this stage! This will last most of the year so a global recession is gauranteed.
    Lets take the necessery draconian options now whilst we still have time. Acting now may mean we come out of this much better then other countries and we will save a few more lives.

    Sitting around and waiting and seeing is folly at this stage. I reckon the brits have priced in massive deaths already and are happy to see this play out. Thats real bad for us. Cheltenham going ahead is whats gonna make this a disaster.

    You do realise without a functioning economy it will result in more deaths?


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    #9505
    otnomart
    Registered Users Posts: 4,065 ✭✭✭otnomart


    Merkel warns around 58 MILLION Germans – 60-70% of the population - will be infected


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    #9506
    SleetAndSnow
    Registered Users Posts: 4,680 ✭✭✭SleetAndSnow


    Getting more “web conference” tests from my lecturers in UCC. I’d say they are preparing to close alright shortly. Saw a secondary school student wearing a mask on the bus this morning too, got a few looks but she probably had the right idea


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    #9507
    namloc1980
    Registered Users Posts: 18,144 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    all about the mane wrote: »
    You do realise without a functioning economy it will result in more deaths?

    Letting it spread will cause more deaths and tank the economy anyway.


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    #9508
    nthclare
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,316 ✭✭✭nthclare


    Frequently throughout the day im going to post, this

    IF SHUTDOWN OCCURS FREE ELECTRICITY FREEZE UTILITY BILLS AND MORTGAGES ETC
    NO CHARGES FOR THE ENERGY USED BETWEEN FREE TIME AND CUTOFF

    WE BAILED OUT THE SYSTEM NOW THEY CAN GIVE US BACK OUR DUES


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    #9509
    Ann22
    Registered Users Posts: 8,004 ✭✭✭Ann22


    Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »
    How about you wait in the car and have them ring you when they are ready to see her? That will limit the time she is waiting around.

    We have to travel in a taxi....I suppose maybe we could sit near the door where it isn't so crowded. Chances are the type of clinic it is, she won't be the only fragile person there.


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    #9510
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    It’s the Cheltenham thing that’s really annoying. The majority of our cases from Italy happened with travel before any of this kicked off. Cheltenham on the other hand is pure recklessness.

    Could be another epicentre!


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    #9511
    DrumSteve
    Registered Users Posts: 10,799 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    quokula wrote: »
    There's nothing wrong with being rational. It's totally accurate to say 80% of people will be absolutely fine. In fact, far more than 99% of people are absolutely fine in China, Korea and Italy, two of whom have passed their peak, while Italy looks like they're about to pass their peak based on yesterdays numbers. And it's unlikely many other countries will be hit as hard as those three as much more is known at this point.

    Not sure what to say to that.

    They had 168 people die yesterday.


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