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Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) *Read warnings in OP*

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    #9362
    [Deleted User]
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    Silent Running wrote: »
    We've been at home for a week now. We weren't able to get hand sanitiser before we decided to self isolate. Today we have to go out to get food. Hopefully we will find sanitiser before too long and keep our hands clean as we go. A curse on those people with multiple bottles of hand sanitiser tucked away "just in case".

    We both have health issues that might well make infection very serious for us. I've been coughing for a couple of weeks, but no fever.

    Make up a soapy wash solution and bring a face cloth to dry your hands.


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    #9363
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users Posts: 4,470 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Stupid question

    I assume this cant be stopped until we find a vaccine?

    Either a vaccine or the kind of ruthless methods employed by the Chinese.

    We won't have the first for well over a year.


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    #9364
    Tootsie_1
    Registered Users Posts: 308 ✭✭Tootsie_1


    So just listening to 98FM there they had a clip of a guy saying he was tested Friday still no word as of today if he has it or not , no wonder our numbers are so low !


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    #9365
    Drumpot
    Registered Users Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Poor_old_gill wrote: »
    While at first glance the numbers do seem ludicrous to me- that’s the way the trends are pointing.

    The lunacy of the numbers needs to be qualified by the fact that i have not lived through something like this before and don’t have a great understanding of what’s gona happen.

    I’d imagine the 2% rate will fall off as people take preventative measures and a better understanding of the virus comes about

    If I remember correct from Dr Aylwards conference a few weeks ago, he suggested that at the start death rates are high because

    - populations do not really know how to react , how to be careful and what the symptoms are so don’t know when to self isolate or go get medical help
    - more vulnerable people die quicker/sooner
    - governments and hospitals/healthcare have not dealt with it so are not fully prepared

    And basically the opposite happens as everyone comes to terms with it and learns what has to be done.


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    #9366
    Akrasia
    Registered Users Posts: 22,351 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Quantum Erasure wrote: »
    there was reports of stem cell treatment working for coronavirus as well,

    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3053080/coronavirus-critically-ill-chinese-patient-saved-stem-cell
    We're gonna run out of foetuses

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    #9367
    channelsurfer2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,605 ✭✭✭channelsurfer2


    So I'm in hospital in the Midlands not a case of it.... But no visitors allowed not even off duty staff to visit me who are nurses.. crazy stuff


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    #9368
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,112 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Graces7 wrote: »
    Maybe supermarkets need to start rationing?
    They should. My local pharmacist is already. Bumped into her yesterday and she mentioned they were getting masks and hand sanitiser, but only one each per customer and existing customers have preference over randomers. She told me the last fortnight has been a bit daft, with the occasional individual being insane and asking to buy whole boxes of gloves, hand wash and masks and a couple had screaming fits when they were told no. She told them to head off and had to threaten ringing the Guards on them. Apparently the latest thing they've been hit by is people trying to stock up on paracetamol.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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    #9369
    stockshares
    Registered Users Posts: 2,758 ✭✭✭stockshares


    channelsurfer2 wrote: »
    So I'm in hospital in the Midlands not a case of it.... But no visitors allowed not even off duty staff to visit me who are nurses.. crazy stuff

    Its not crazy, it's called prevention.


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    #9370
    banie01
    Registered Users Posts: 16,611 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Gods Gift wrote: »
    Jesus.
    Watching trump last night saying his uncle was a scientist and a genius.
    That’s how he understands this virus so well. Doctors do be amazed at his grasp of the situation.

    My father was a mechanic, ergo I am clearly a fantastic heart surgeon!

    I posted late last night about Askeaton's parade organising committee deciding to push ahead with having their town parade on the 17th.

    Delighted to see so little support for the idea from the community, but surely someone needs to take action to stand down the idiots in these community positions trying solo runs?

    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=227234065346523&id=110673040335960&comment_id=227312035338726&notif_t=feedback_reaction_generic&notif_id=1583881622363161&ref=m_notif&refid=48


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    #9371
    retro:electro
    Registered Users Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    Mr.S wrote: »
    What’s the obsession with hand sanitiser? Isn’t warm water and soap just as effective?

    Yes it is but hand sanitiser is handy for when you’re out and about. Places like the self service till in supermarkets, atm machines, communal pens in places like post offices and dole offices, petrol pumps and every kind of a a door handle and of course touching cash.

    There are a myriad of places where this virus could be lingering and yes that’s possibly a little alarmist but it’s unrealistic to think there will be water and soap available after touching all of these. I’ve a bottle of sanitiser in my bag and in my car and am finding them very useful when I can’t get to a sink.

    You could of course wait until you got to a sink to wash them, but it’s likely you would have touched your face 100 times in the interim.

    Getting tired of people repeating this nugget.


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    #9372
    RandomName2
    Registered Users Posts: 5,566 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    The government are only barely starting to react to this, but when it does, wouldn't it be wise to coordinate with the Stormont government as well? While covid-19 is a problem shared with the whole of Europe, this is particularly the case for neighbors, particularly when we have a hope of screening people coming onto the island of Ireland.


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    #9373
    Tootsie_1
    Registered Users Posts: 308 ✭✭Tootsie_1


    Wibbs wrote: »
    They should. My local pharmacist is already. Bumped into her yesterday and she mentioned they were getting masks and hand sanitiser, but only one each per customer and existing customers have preference over randomers. She told me the last fortnight has been a bit daft, with the occasional individual being insane and asking to buy whole boxes of gloves, hand wash and masks and a couple had screaming fits when they were told no. She told them to head off and had to threaten ringing the Guards on them. Apparently the latest thing they've been hit by is people trying to stock up on paracetamol.

    Paracetamol will be going short from the manufacturers as a lot of ingredients come out of China and India ... so it could be hard to get once supplies here run low


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    #9374
    martingriff
    Registered Users Posts: 10,748 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Scotty # wrote: »
    or until we put the country under lockdown.

    And how long do we put the country in lockdown
    How do we stop the virus coming back after lockdown as other countries will still have cases. If we do it for a period how do we get the food we import. How do we pay people. How many jobs will be left


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    #9375
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users Posts: 4,470 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    channelsurfer2 wrote: »
    So I'm in hospital in the Midlands not a case of it.... But no visitors allowed not even off duty staff to visit me who are nurses.. crazy stuff

    Prevention far better than cure, they are doing the right thing, for a hospital especially.


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    #9376
    Yurt2
    Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    The horse has bolted now, but for future outbreaks, perhaps the WHO should be funded by doner nations to have warehouses of essential virus-fighting materiel in-storage and a corps of trained nurses, virologists and doctors for rapid-response to initial outbreak in whatever country.

    It's an expensive proposition, but it's preferable to what's unfolding now.

    If nations can spend billions maintaining armed forces, they can do so for an international medical army to protect global health.


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    #9377
    Steve F
    Registered Users Posts: 1,852 ✭✭✭Steve F


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Stupid question

    I assume this cant be stopped until we find a vaccine?

    Forgot to say on my other post.Vaccine's don't stop viruses in their tracks they reduce the number of people contracting them
    The seasonal 'flu vaccine is only 50-60% effective
    When they eventually release one for Covid19 we won't be completely "out of the woods" That's the huge mistake we could make in the aftermath of all this.

    "We have a vaccine...it's all over" :(


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    #9378
    RandomName2
    Registered Users Posts: 5,566 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    channelsurfer2 wrote: »
    So I'm in hospital in the Midlands not a case of it.... But no visitors allowed not even off duty staff to visit me who are nurses.. crazy stuff

    Yes it would be much better for there to be an outbreak there and for a floundering response to then be delivered.

    Do people not actually understand how viruses spread or are they just pretending? This entire outbreak has given me good reason to question the intelligence of the general population.


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    #9379
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    touts wrote: »
    Agree.

    And I was shocked at the disgraceful scenes from Cheltenham on the news last night. Tens of thousands of half pissed gamblers crammed in together, celebrating a few horses running around a field. Gamblers is probably the key word there. They are gambling with the health of the nation all for a bit of craic.

    If many cases are traced back to people going to Cheltenham then it will be the end of the Horse Racing industry. It will be hard to justify pumping
    tens of millions of taxpayers money into their hobby after they give the two fingers to the public. When cuts inevitably come to government budgets to compensate for the Coronavirus recession then there will be a public demand for the horse industry to be first on the chopping block.

    60k at Cheltenham each day, The Tube carries 60k every hour or so. Should the Tube be shut down??


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    #9380
    leahyl
    Registered Users Posts: 14,251 ✭✭✭✭leahyl


    Graces7 wrote: »
    Maybe supermarkets need to start rationing?

    There was someone on the radio from a pharmacy the other day and they are only allowing 2 hand sanitisers per customer. Amazed this isn't happening in other places.


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    #9381
    Cilldara_2000
    Registered Users Posts: 1,189 ✭✭✭Cilldara_2000


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    Either a vaccine or the kind of ruthless methods employed by the Chinese.

    We won't have the first for well over a year.

    Luke O'Neill on Pat Kenny programme there this morning. He seems to be more confident about a vaccine in September based on the number of teams working on it, how the all want to be first so there's a race between them, and the funding that has been available to them.

    No doubt we can completely ignore this particular expert because the responsible experts are in scare-the-public-into-compliance mode. :rolleyes:


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    #9382
    Boggles
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    martingriff wrote: »
    And how long do we put the country in lockdown
    How do we stop the virus coming back after lockdown as other countries will still have cases. If we do it for a period how do we get the food we import. How do we pay people. How many jobs will be left

    19 questions and not one question mark.

    :)


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    #9383
    otnomart
    Registered Users Posts: 4,065 ✭✭✭otnomart


    France has nearly 1800 cases and French citizens are not allowed to travel in a number of Countries.
    At the moment: Jordan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, India, El Salvador.
    Vietnam has not a ban but is discouraging travel from France
    Nepal is no longer issuing Visa to travellers from France
    Other Countries have not banned travel from France but are imposing a quarantine on arrival
    https://www.bfmtv.com/international/acces-interdit-quarantaine-ces-pays-quiimposent-des-restrictions-aux-francais-en-raison-du-coronavirus-1872894.html


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    #9384
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users Posts: 4,470 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    martingriff wrote: »
    And how long do we put the country in lockdown
    How do we stop the virus coming back after lockdown as other countries will still have cases. If we do it for a period how do we get the food we import. How do we pay people. How many jobs will be left

    You can lockdown early and save many lives.
    You can lockdown when the sh*t hits the fan after CV really takes hold.

    Either way the economy tanks and a similar amount of jobs are lost.

    This is not rocket science.

    You don't have to do a total lockdown.

    Closing schools for example will lead to few if any job losses if remote schooling is set up properly. Likewise those working from home generally.

    When you lockdown, you still keep essential services running - in fact a lockdown helps keep these services running, as healthcare professionals are not swamped with people getting coronavirus because they went to school or went socialising.


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    #9385
    sudzs
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    Do we have any idea how many tests the HSE have actually carried out??


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    #9386
    RandomName2
    Registered Users Posts: 5,566 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    Boggles wrote: »
    19 questions and not one question mark.

    :)

    Seems reasonable as there won't be any answer forthcoming from those in authority


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    NIMAN
    Registered Users Posts: 33,265 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    leahyl wrote: »
    There was someone on the radio from a pharmacy the other day and they are only allowing 2 hand sanitisers per customer. Amazed this isn't happening in other places.

    Ordinary soap is fine.
    Don't get obsessed about hand sanitizers.


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    #9388
    Boggles
    Registered Users Posts: 39,866 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Cilldara_2000 wrote: »
    Luke O'Neill on Pat Kenny programme there this morning. He seems to be more confident about a vaccine in September based on the number of teams working on it, how the all want to be first so there's a race between them, and the funding that has been available to them.

    No doubt we can completely ignore this particular expert because the responsible experts are in scare-the-public-into-compliance mode. :rolleyes:

    China will trial it next month, which means they are all ready injecting humans.

    Trials of treatments are underway.


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    #9389
    Blazer
    Registered Users Posts: 17,427 ✭✭✭✭Blazer


    RandomName2 wrote: »
    Yes it would be much better for there to be an outbreak there and for a floundering response to then be delivered.

    Do people not actually understand how viruses spread or are they just pretending? This entire outbreak has given me good reason to question the intelligence of the general population.

    Collective intelligence of the human species is barely above that of monkeys.
    Only for a few exceptional geniuses we’ll still be in caves scratching our balls.


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    #9390
    Yurt2
    Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    A vaccine by September would be best-case-scenario. Fingers crossed they can get it done and it's not rolled-out on a for-profit basis.


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    #9391
    tillyfilly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 567 ✭✭✭tillyfilly


    I'm in the office at work and some people are clearly sick,should I start wearing my back up mask and gloves?


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