Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) Read warnings in OP

frillyleaf · 10-03-2020 03:34AM

Mellor wrote: »

For anyone sayif "fk the chinese" "they have blood on their hands" etc. I'd love to know for what they think the chinese did (or didn't do) that caused this.
Apart from eating the bats mentioned already obviously.

I’ve read a theory that it originated in a wet market, jumped from one animal to another then to human. Hopefully these markets will be banned. I’ve also heard reports that it was covered up to begin with. Then China did a lot to slow it down. In relation to wet markets, it is likely it is only a tiny amount of population that use these. Any Chinese people I know are lovely people. Overall I like their culture too and would love to visit some day

wonski · 10-03-2020 03:39AM

frillyleaf wrote: »

I’ve read a theory that it originated in a wet market, jumped from one animal to another then to human. Hopefully these markets will be banned. I’ve also heard reports that it was covered up to begin with. Then China did a lot to slow it down. In relation to wet markets, it is likely it is only a tiny amount of population that use these. Any Chinese people I know are lovely people. Overall I like their culture too and would love to visit some day

Good theory. It just jumped???

That explains a lot.

spookwoman · 10-03-2020 03:42AM

frillyleaf wrote: »

I’ve read a theory that it originated in a wet market, jumped from one animal to another then to human. Hopefully these markets will be banned. I’ve also heard reports that it was covered up to begin with. Then China did a lot to slow it down. In relation to wet markets, it is likely it is only a tiny amount of population that use these. Any Chinese people I know are lovely people. Overall I like their culture too and would love to visit some day

One species they reckoned was a pangolin

dwayneshintzy · 10-03-2020 03:42AM

"Wet markets" are just large markets with perishable goods; fruit, vegetables, meat, fish, etc. The problem is the wet markets that also have considerable numbers of live animals, particularly wild animals.

US2 · 10-03-2020 03:48AM

ArchXStanton wrote: »

Just read an interview with an English guy that lives in wutan, he got the virus before it was officially announced and was describing his ordeal, he was saying he regularly goes to that market and has never seen bat's, live koalas or anything like that

He must be blind so, you can have a walk around of the Wuhan market on YouTube, full of rats, bats, snakes, dogs ect some alive, some skinned and some cooked. It's a disgusting looking place with blood from dead animals dripping on top of live animals in cages underneath.

Larbre34 · 10-03-2020 03:51AM

frillyleaf wrote: »

I’ve read a theory that it originated in a wet market, jumped from one animal to another then to human. Hopefully these markets will be banned. I’ve also heard reports that it was covered up to begin with. Then China did a lot to slow it down. In relation to wet markets, it is likely it is only a tiny amount of population that use these. Any Chinese people I know are lovely people. Overall I like their culture too and would love to visit some day

I've been. Interesting for a visit, but nothing would bring me back.

brooke 2 · 10-03-2020 03:54AM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Reporters at Trump briefing

'' have you been tested''

'' have you been tested''

Seems he came in contact with someone who had it

Matt Gaetz, Mark Meadows, Kelly Anne Conway, Doug Collins, among others, were in the presence of a doctor from New Jersey, since diagnosed as Covid 19 positive, at the GOP CPAC in Maryland for two days at the end of February. Meadows, Gaetz and Collins have self quarantined this evening - but, not before Gaetz travelled in the limo with Trump, and afterwards with him in AirForce 1. Gaetz was the schmuck from Florida who wore the gas mask in Congress a few days ago, mocking the coronavirus!!

:D

dwayneshintzy · 10-03-2020 03:55AM

Larbre34 wrote: »

I've been. Interesting for a visit, but nothing would bring me back.

Where'd you go in China?

Larbre34 · 10-03-2020 04:01AM

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

Where'd you go in China?

Beijing, Chengdu, Shanghai and a bit rural travel in and around Guangdong province, few days in Guangzhou and Macau. Most recent trip was 3 years ago.

gozunda · 10-03-2020 04:03AM

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

"Wet markets" are just large markets with perishable goods; fruit, vegetables, meat, fish, etc. The problem is the wet markets that also have considerable numbers of live animals, particularly wild animals.

True. Not in reply to the above but for the mob screaming blue murder on this thread - bear in mind that according to the Chinese authorities - the first person treated for the Corona virus in Wuhan was was an elderly man who suffered from Alzheimer's disease and had no connection with the wet market whatsoever

The elderly man lived four or five buses from the seafood market, and because he was sick he basically didn't go out,”

Three other people developed symptoms in the following days – two of whom had no exposure to the market.

Research has also cast doubt on whether either Bats or Pangolins were the initial vector for the disease

And if we want to lynch someone for causing a disease due to their "disgusting habits" then perhaps we should start with the last Ebola outbreak - which has been definitely linked with a two-year-old boy called Emile Ouamouno from Guinea - who is believed to have become infected whilst playing in a hollow tree housing a colony of bats. Scientists studying the outbreak made the connection on an expedition to the boy's village.

So ye can put down the put down the pitchforks and stop the screaming.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30183-5/fulltext

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00548-w

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-30632453

dwayneshintzy · 10-03-2020 04:07AM

Larbre34 wrote: »

Beijing, Chengdu, Shanghai and a bit rural travel in and around Guangdong province, few days in Guangzhou and Macau. Most recent trip was 3 years ago.

I find Guangzhou to be an awful boring place, massive city with not a whole lot interesting to it.

I've travelled a bit around China as well; Shenzhen, Guangzhou, Guilin, Kunming, Lijiang, Beijing, Shanghai. By far my favorite part of China was Lijiang and hiking Tiger Leaping Gorge, I'd recommend it to anyone.

10-03-2020 04:12AM

when the Louvre workers shut the place down over concerns:
Culture Minister Frank Reister argued on France-Info radio that Louvre visitors move from room to room, which doesn’t present the same risk as a closed concert hall, for example.
https://apnews.com/29cc5b26f3620a2bbd6c8444f4f12e42

Since Sunday, the Louvre’s staff had been refusing to work, fearful they might catch the coronavirus from someone among the museum’s more than 30,000 daily visitors.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/03/04/arts/design/louvre-reopens-coronavirus.amp.html
Today:
France’s culture minister, Franck Riester, has become the latest politician to contract the coronavirus
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/mar/10/coronavirus-update-latest-italy-shutdown-lockdown-who-pandemic-outbreak-quarantine-uk-cases-usa-america-australia-live-news-updates

gozunda · 10-03-2020 04:14AM

US2 wrote: »

He must be blind so, you can have a walk around of the Wuhan market on YouTube, full of rats, bats, snakes, dogs ect some alive, some skinned and some cooked. It's a disgusting looking place with blood from dead animals dripping on top of live animals in cages underneath.

I reckon relying on youtube for 'certified' information is much the same as depending on cornflakes packets for health advice...

That video has been already linked on this thread and debunked. It does not show the Wuhan wet market - despite the title. Problem with the University of YouTube is that much of its material is published by complete and utter eejits whose aim is to make money from monitised content.

US2 · 10-03-2020 04:25AM

gozunda wrote: »

I reckon relying on youtube for 'certified' information is much the same as depending on cornflakes packets for health advice...

That video has been already linked on this thread and debunked. It does not show the Wuhan wet market - despite the title. Problem with the University of YouTube is that much of its material is published by complete and utter eejits whose aim is to make money from monitised content.

Theres many videos of the wet market there, you think the videos are fake?

spookwoman · 10-03-2020 04:27AM

gozunda wrote: »

True. Not in reply to the above but for the mob screaming blue murder on this thread - bear in mind that according to the Chinese authorities - the first person treated for the Corona virus in Wuhan was was an elderly man who suffered from Alzheimer's disease and had no connection with the wet market whatsoever

The elderly man lived four or five buses from the seafood market, and because he was sick he basically didn't go out,”

Three other people developed symptoms in the following days – two of whom had no exposure to the market.

Research has also cast doubt on whether either Bats or Pangolins were the initial vector for the disease

And if we want to lynch someone for causing a disease due to their "disgusting habits" then perhaps we should start with the last Ebola outbreak - which has been definitely linked with a two-year-old boy called Emile Ouamouno from Guinea - who is believed to have become infected whilst playing in a hollow tree housing a colony of bats. Scientists studying the outbreak made the connection on an expedition to the boy's village.

So ye can put down the put down the pitchforks and stop the screaming.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30183-5/fulltext

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00548-w

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-30632453

Reality is they don't know where it came from.

dePeatrick · 10-03-2020 04:32AM

Spanish flu came from the U.S., so did mumps and measles, polio was first recorded in Ancient Greece, could go on but blaming the Chinese for Coronavirus is at best useless, at worst xenophobic.

10-03-2020 04:34AM

dePeatrick wrote: »

Spanish flu came from the U.S., so did mumps and measles, polio was first recorded in Ancient Greece, could go on but blaming the Chinese for Coronavirus is at best useless, at worst xenophobic.

Could of been china
https://www.google.com/amp/s/api.nationalgeographic.com/distribution/public/amp/news/2014/1/140123-spanish-flu-1918-china-origins-pandemic-science-health

GM228 · 10-03-2020 04:35AM

Worthy of a conspiracy theory no doubt, published in 1981!

https://twitter.com/Scixp/status/1234458733964677122?s=19

Ficheall · 10-03-2020 04:39AM

GM228 wrote: »

Worthy of a conspiracy theory no doubt, published in 1981!

https://twitter.com/Scixp/status/1234458733964677122?s=19

Have you just heard of the coronavirus today or something?

dePeatrick · 10-03-2020 04:43AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Could of been china
https://www.google.com/amp/s/api.nationalgeographic.com/distribution/public/amp/news/2014/1/140123-spanish-flu-1918-china-origins-pandemic-science-health

Maybe, maybe not, but it definitely spread from the US, the idea of appropriating blame on a particular country or culture for a disease neither they nor we would have wished on anyone is an excercise in futility.

10-03-2020 04:52AM

With coronavirus, It is China's fault, it did originate there and they tried to keep it quiet rather than deal with it.

The sooner we cut dependency on Chinese manufacturing the better. Plenty of blame to go around though, we should never have gotten ourselves into this position and everywhere should have shut the door on China in January.

10-03-2020 04:55AM

So it spread in China because they tried to keep it quiet.. What is every other country's excuse? At least Italy and Ireland knew there even was a virus.

tdf7187 · 10-03-2020 04:56AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

With coronavirus, It is China's fault, it did originate there and they tried to keep it quiet rather than deal with it.

The sooner we cut dependency on Chinese manufacturing the better. Plenty of blame to go around though, we should never have gotten ourselves into this position and everywhere should have shut the door on China in January.

‘we’?

Runaways · 10-03-2020 05:01AM

I thought it had been established that it leaked from a biological weapons lab not a wet market?

But yeah lay off the racism lads it’s really not a good look.

tdf7187 · 10-03-2020 05:05AM

Runaways wrote: »

I thought it had been established that it leaked from a biological weapons lab .

Umh, no.

Frynge · 10-03-2020 05:09AM

fritzelly wrote: »

I'm sorted

This is absolutely disgraceful. That much toilet paper and you have not made a fort.

10-03-2020 05:11AM

tdf7187 wrote: »

‘we’?

The west, the rest of the world, seriously??? :rolleyes:

GM228 · 10-03-2020 05:12AM

https://amp.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3074351/coronavirus-can-travel-twice-far-official-safe-distance-and-stay?__twitter_impression=true

Not sure if previously mentioned, but:-

Coronavirus can travel twice as far as official ‘safe distance’ and stay in air for 30 minutes, Chinese study finds

Authorities advise people to stay 1-2 metres apart, but researchers found that a bus passenger infected fellow travellers sitting 4.5 metres away

And on public transport:-

https://twitter.com/Castletonian/status/1237218895062347778?s=19

I would great it with some scepticism, especially when we can't find the original study.

tdf7187 · 10-03-2020 05:15AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The west, the rest of the world, where do you think all the made in china things come from

Well, once they dont mess with our coca cola.

jimmycrackcorm · 10-03-2020 05:16AM

dePeatrick wrote: »

Spanish flu came from the U.S., so did mumps and measles, polio was first recorded in Ancient Greece, could go on but blaming the Chinese for Coronavirus is at best useless, at worst xenophobic.

The Chinese are to blame for coronavirus but specifically because their government policy is to hide all criticism which allowed it to flourish.

And it's not the first virus to start in China not the first time the Chinese government tried to block information on.

Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) *Read warnings in OP*

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Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) Read warnings in OP