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Pistol red dot.

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  • #52
    Grizzly 45
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    I feel your pain on that one bro. Has happened a couple of times to me on both gun and car parts.

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

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  • #53
    Cass
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    Ordered the new one at 11.33 Thursday morning. It was marked as processed at 11:45, and out for shipping at 11:57. Marked as collected by courier at 14:11, and as of Friday afternoon at 15:35 on the plane and departed country of origin.

    Fingers crossed i'll have it next week.
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  • #54
    solarwinds
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    Cass wrote: »
    Ordered the new one at 11.33 Thursday morning. It was marked as processed at 11:45, and out for shipping at 11:57. Marked as collected by courier at 14:11, and as of Friday afternoon at 15:35 on the plane and departed country of origin.

    Fingers crossed i'll have it next week.


    Thats the worst thing about parcel tracking. I ordered an item from the US two years ago, it landed in Ireland the following night, then I got to watch it for the rest of the week sitting in a depot in Dublin before I got it.


  • #55
    dc99
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    solarwinds wrote: »
    Thats the worst thing about parcel tracking. I ordered an item from the US two years ago, it landed in Ireland the following night, then I got to watch it for the rest of the week sitting in a depot in Dublin before I got it.

    God do i feel your pain :-) ordered something in the US last month. Took about 4 weeks to get to canada. Canada to ireland was 3.5 days delivered.....


  • #56
    Cass
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    The place i originally ordered from showed the package shipped and out of the country of origin within a week. Then for the next 16 days it showed as being flown to Ireland. The package then arrived at my doorstep and when i checked the tracking it showed as still being in the air. An hour later, it showed as delivered. :rolleyes:

    The mistake i made was i had ordered from a company, not knowing they ordered from China and it came via a third party. I've no issue with chinese stuff as no matter who i buy from they are all made in China, its just the delivery timescale.

    This time i took DC99's advice and used IPSC store. They have a live chat feature on their website so i asked where the item comes from. They told me they have it in stock in their warehouse and it ships directly from there. So i'm hoping for a faster delivery than before and as i only ordered this item it cannot go wrong, barring they send me an empty package.
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  • #57
    Cass
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    Ordered Thursday morning and arrived this morning. Less than 4 working days from order to receiving. Well chuffed with that.

    Huge thanks to DC99 for the suggestion and must leave an excellent review for the IPSC store. Top notch service.

    I'm not the best at taking photos, but here it is mounted. I've a new lock box ordered that is bigger, wider and deeper to accommodate the sight and allow me to carry the accessories in the same box.

    Now all i have to do is learn to shoot (the gun, not with the red dot. Its a help, not a miracle worker :D )


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  • #58
    Cass
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    Just another update.

    Had a chance to hit the range in the last few days and disaster struck.

    The rear sight of the pistol has a spring under it, sitting slightly to the right of the slide as you look down along the slide from the rear. Not sure if its the correct terminology but i call it the slide retention spring as it engages the "device" it pushes against in the slide which holds the slide open when the last round is fired or the slide is racked on an empty chamber. When i mounted the new plate i put this spring back in to keep the gun functioning as it should.

    I fired my first round and the mounting plate immediately lifted on the side with the spring. After making the gun safe i stripped the sight/plate down. The sight and the mounting plate held together perfectly so no problem there. The issue comes from the tiny, and i mean TINY, grub screws that hold the mounting plate to the base section that slides into the slot for the rear sight. IOW where the mounting plate and base plate are joined.

    The screws holding the plate to the base are tiny. They have about three threads and they are not deeply pitched. I actually wondered about the size of them when i originally installed the plate/base but dismissed any concerns thinking the people that made this knew what they were doing.

    Turns out they didn't. The screw on the right was pushed up by the spring pushing against the mounting plate. As the plate only attached to the base at one spot near the rear and the rest of the plate "overhangs" it gave the spring enough leverage to push up the plate (and sight) and stripper the threads of the screw/base. The left side/screw held perfectly.

    So now i need to remove the plate with sight attached and put it to one side. Knock out the base from the rear sight slot and tap the holes to not only a slightly bigger diameter but increase the pitch height so i can use a better screw while still maintaining the 3.5mm screw depth.

    Fun times. All this waiting for parts and feck ups with suppliers to finally get it together to fall apart after one round.

    My only other concern now comes from the question, do i omit the slide retention spring and work the slide manually when i have it fixed and remove any chance of this happening again or do i place it back and hope the new screw will hold?


    In this picture i've highlighted the screw, and the position of said screw through the mounting plate (left) into the base (right) which stripped.

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    In this picture i highlight where the base sits sits and in yellow how much of the mounting plate sits "overhanging" from the base.

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  • #59
    Grizzly 45
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    My only other concern now comes from the question, do i omit the slide retention spring and work the slide manually when i have it fixed and remove any chance of this happening again or do i place it back and hope the new screw will hold?

    Short answer ..NO.As you have the then first manually operated SIG pistol ever.:p
    Better solution would be FWIW is contact SiG/Sauer and get to speak to whoever is incharge of their custom shop and ask their opinion ,as these are genuine compatible parts for your pistol and ask them whats going wrong?

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  • #60
    dc99
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    If i follow you correctly its the screw holding the mtg plate into the dovetail plate?

    If this is the case (the screw with the 2 red Line’s to it?) these crews came with the plate? (Not original Sig parts?) I’d be inclined to shave down the screw to shorten them (your gonna need to realign the threads as shaving then down will damage the thread, but this should not be too difficult with a very thing file. Normally you would load a nut on the screw before shortening and the act of removing the nut realigns the threads - but the screws are so short....).
    It may be that only half a thread needs to be removed? (Don’t forget medium thread lock on assembly of EVERTHING!)
    The screw can be replaced....


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  • #61
    Cass
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    Ok, after much searching, prodding, poking with lights, magnifying glasses, etc. i finally figured out what happened, what went wrong and what the solution is.

    Its all my fault regardless.

    Most Sigs, or more specifically the 226s, have a rounded slide. So does mine. In my haste to remove the rear sight and mount the red dot i failed to notice, which i only copped about two hours ago, that while my slide is rounded it is only to a certain point.

    Unlike the new P320s which come milled for a red dot mine has a combo of rounded slide and when the rear sight is removed the area the sight sat into is flat. Not as large as the new pistols and not large enough to accomodate a red not directly, but its also not just the notch for the sight to be slide into as with most 226s.

    Like everything with my pistol it has to be that little bit different.

    This is a normal 226.

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    Here is what mine looks like.

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    That flat area is about an inch long and the only flat bit of the entire slide which is rounded like all other Sigs. The bit you see is the base of the mounting plate.


    When i inspected the mount and base i finally found that the screw holes (non threaded) in the mount plate did not make contact with the base. There was a 2.5 to 3mm gap. As the screws are only about 3.5mm it means the screws did not strip, nor did the threaded holes in the base. They simply only managed to get one thread so when i fired that single thread was not able to hold everything and the reason the right side screw went first was because of the extra pressure from the slide retention spring.

    I went to the garage and tried to file and grind down the mounting plate but to no avail. I need a specialist with proper machine ability. I think i may have messed up the plate, but as it'll never fit without work/machining i saw little to lose.

    So i ordered the right mount for a P226 but my yoke is not a normal P226.

    I'm sure i found the right one in my searching a few months back but dismissed it because it was flat which i now know to be the right one.

    I'll keep searching and have sent a message to SIG to see if they can help as advised above. In the interim i'll keep ploughing away at the current one to see if i can fix it.
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  • #62
    Cass
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    Clivej wrote:
    I'm following your post with great interest, and glad to say had not a bother putting my red dot on.
    Meaning?
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  • #63
    Cass
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    I've got sorted. Replies from EGW, SIG, and a few others have yielded no good. Not one of them do a mount for my pistol (based on the replies i got my only option for a proper mount would be a machinist and have one custom made) so i took the mount i had to the garage and bust out the dremel, grinder, sander, etc.

    Took some time and a little at a time but i got it working. In short i had to "split" the mount into a two type (i did not cut it, but treated each end like a different mount).

    I grinded the front piece in the shape of the slide and the shape the mount had just to remove material and make it thinner. I then ground flat the rear of the mount and took a little off each screw because the entire thing is lower. I now have a good fit, no movement, the slide retention spring in place, thread locker on all screws, the mount plate touching the base plate meaning the screws that were not reaching before do now and then some.

    All in all its messy but works. Or at least it goes together, i'll know when i get to the range if it works.
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  • #64
    dc99
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    good luck - hope its sorted...


  • #65
    Cass
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    Been a "bit of a mare" to be sure, but i knew going into it i might have trouble as everything i've done, down to the holster, is awkward because of the style of the gun.

    Its also a savage mockery that i have to jump through these hoops because i cannot go to a shop and simply buy a new mount, or slide, hell even a new gun but some scumbag in Dublin can have a PM-63! :rolleyes:
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  • #66
    dc99
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    Cass wrote: »
    Been a "bit of a mare" to be sure, but i knew going into it i might have trouble as everything i've done, down to the holster, is awkward because of the style of the gun.

    Its also a savage mockery that i have to jump through these hoops because i cannot go to a shop and simply buy a new mount, or slide, hell even a new gun but some scumbag in Dublin can have a PM-63! :rolleyes:

    I feel your pain. Particularly about a new gun. the time wasted is a crying shame. between chasing AGS, applying for it. buying it, waiting for licence, waiting for import licence, waiting for other county export licence, on and on and on...

    No parts available - I'm 6 months nearly looking to get a simple set of grips for my Mk IV...I have no problem finding them - the simple mater of getting the vendor to ship 2 pairs of G10 or Timber is unreal! they druggies down town probable have a better choice of firearm than the law abiding joe soap...i gotta stop myself before I start to cry!!


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  • #67
    Cass
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    What grips are you looking at?

    As for delivering have you tried posting a nice post on the main forum for any of our american friends to order to and then ship on? I got a full stock for an AR shipped without issues. Now the company i ordered from ship outside the US so not exactly the same problem you're having but if you can find some method to overcome the CONUS issue i cannot see the receiving of it here as being a big one.
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  • #68
    dc99
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    Couple of sets from Altamont, Illinois. No shipment to Ireland or even Canada (I have a Son there at the moment...) so have a few options. Don't have anyone in the States though...


  • #69
    Cass
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    The timber ones?

    Are there no other types from someone who will ship to Ireland?
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  • #70
    dc99
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    Cass wrote: »
    The timber ones?

    Are there no other types from someone who will ship to Ireland?

    Spent ages looking. Hogue have a German (european) location - but the cost seems to be double when I got a quote from them for the same stuff in the US.
    And the range they had on the web was not the complete range as in the US (actually that was a while ago - might check them out again...

    Altamont seem to do a nice looking and grippy looking rosewood sets (and some G10 with inserts...)
    The rest of the US - ones that look ok - still reluctant to ship to Ireland :-(

    I'll figure something out though...not beaten yet!!


  • #71
    Grizzly 45
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    Cass wrote: »
    Been a "bit of a mare" to be sure, but i knew going into it i might have trouble as everything i've done, down to the holster, is awkward because of the style of the gun.

    Its also a savage mockery that i have to jump through these hoops because i cannot go to a shop and simply buy a new mount, or slide, hell even a new gun but some scumbag in Dublin can have a PM-63! :rolleyes:

    If it all holds together after a days firing.Send SIG etc some pics and ask them can you have a job in their custom engineering line?As you sorted it out with a dremel and some spit and baler twine engineering.:D
    Amazing how many big companies say things "cant be done.!" Yet are proven wrong by folks like us,tinkering in our basements and tool sheds.

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  • #72
    Cass
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    I owe a small bit of credit to Sharp (the TV company).

    Bear with me.

    My TV died this time last year and i took it apart to fix it. Couldn't find replacement LED bars (5 of the 12 were gone) so it lies in pieces in my garage. When struggling to find screws for the bodge job on the pisto, mount (nothing on gun sites or ebay, etc) i remembered the numerous types and sizes i took from the TV and after i checked the baggie of screws, well, i now have about 47 spares. :D
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