Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) Read warnings in OP

New Home · 09-03-2020 01:01AM

Deleted User wrote: »

No you blamed a a doctor for going around their daily life. There was no HSE advice at that stage. They didn't do anything wrong but you still felt the need for victim blaming. Whatever else comes out of COVID-19, we shouldn't end up victim blaming especially when the situation wasn't as clear cut now as it was then. They didn't intentionally do it.

It might not have been clear cut here in Ireland, but it damn well was elsewhere. By his behaviour he put other people at risk, just like the HSE did by telling him to go back to work. He was a victim insofar as he caught the virus, but he was still responsible for carrying on as normal, when he was not 100% sure he was in the clear.

Xertz · 09-03-2020 01:03AM

I’m just wondering about events I’m planning for in the middle of the year. I would almost prefer to see them cancelled now and avoid wasting a load of time and effort on them.

There are months and months of effort goes into these things.

It’s starting to feel like I’m putting effort into things that are likely to be called off.

I mean if there’s no prospect of any kind of vaccine or cure for this, we could well be facing having to work remotely and avoid big crowds for months.

09-03-2020 01:03AM

New Home wrote: »

No, I blamed people for lack of personal responsibility. "First, do no harm" still stands, right?

Also apart from this, you posted lies about people getting reinfected with COVID-19. What was your agenda there? Had you a good discussion with the vet about it?

owlbethere · 09-03-2020 01:03AM

Scoondal wrote: »

As a taxi driver in a provincial town, I thought last night would be slow.
It was the busiest night since Christmas. People here don't care about any virus. The cocaine takes care of that.
Up to 2.30am, everything fine. After that everyone was off their heads, time wasters and dangerous.
I finished after 4am with nut cases still trying to flag me down.

Where are you? Are you in Italy

BorneTobyWilde · 09-03-2020 01:04AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kas6akz1jWU

Music to read the thread to

Thewife · 09-03-2020 01:04AM

I think it refers to patients showing the symptoms of the virus and because of this they presume the test will come back positive

boege wrote: »

I posted on this earlier - CT scan is more accurate. This if well published both by Chinese and Italian medical professions who are facing this virus in a daily basis.

In fact an Italian doctor's story was posted earlier and he suggested that patients could be diagnosed with no test as they were showing very similar symptoms.

The PCR test only produces a positive and gives false negatives in that people retested later show positive. Others here have explained why this happens - its just that the patient is not showing the virus ..yet!

I note some countries (NI) now using the phrase 'presumptive positive result' -does anyone know what this means?

igCorcaigh · 09-03-2020 01:04AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Genuine question, would there be any benefit to keeping kids out of school, training,matches activities etc. without waiting for official advice to do so (if that ever actually happens or does that seem pointless at this stage?
At the moment obviously most of us need to go to work and do foods shopping but if we kept all trips to a bare minimum would it actually help or is that being ott?

I dont think we need to be advised on the parades,just don't go or participate would be my opinion, I certainly wouldn't be going on advice from anyone that has an agenda regarding tourism or financial reasons, we can make those decisions ourselves imo.

I think that any individual actions that contain this will help. Plan ahead for reducing social contact if you can. Seems sensible to me anyway.

kowloon · 09-03-2020 01:04AM

Just to clarify on cases in China: Are they conducting random tests to try and come up with an infection rate or just testing people reporting symptoms?
I know here there would be no point to try and get any numbers to crunch because the number of infected would be too low, but in Wuhan?

New Home · 09-03-2020 01:05AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Also apart from this, you posted lies about people getting reinfected with COVID-19. What was your agenda there? Had you a good discussion with the vet about it?

My agenda? I didn't report any lies. Look it up.

Funsterdelux · 09-03-2020 01:05AM

Graham wrote: »

and?

And he never bought a round!

siobhan2005 · 09-03-2020 01:05AM

Up the walls with worry now. Teen going on school trip to Northern Ireland tomorrow. 12 cases up there doesn't look good at all. Gave wipes and hand sanitiser. At the stage where I might just pull my 2 other kids out of school for a week. Have type 1 diabetes myself so really dont want to get sick.

STB. · 09-03-2020 01:05AM

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

400 was upto last Tuesday which is when the press breifing states how many tests there were in the previous week.

I really hope the current figure is around 1000. It's a number that makes sense given the ramping up of activity and I would be seriously disappointed if it wasn't around 1000.

Well Ciaran, the 400 figure is the last published and the one in "wide circulation".

It was put to the know it all who thinks that the testing is some sort of early warning saviour. It does nothing of the sort of course.

All it does is confirm that you have it. Academic for people who are in a seriously bad way by the time the test is actually carried out (because it most likely would have shown up as negative 4-8 days earlier).

"The low sensitivity of RT-PCR implies that a large number of COVID-19 patients won't be identified quickly and may not receive appropriate treatment. In addition, given the highly contagious nature of the virus, they carry a risk of infecting a larger population"

"About 81% of the patients with negative RT-PCR results but positive chest CT scans were re-classified as highly likely or probable cases with COVID-19, by the comprehensive analysis of clinical symptoms, typical CT manifestations and dynamic CT follow-ups,"

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/02/200226151951.htm

blanch152 wrote: »

He wrote on Saturday that up to last week (was that the previous Saturday?) 400 had been tested, so that figure is way out of date, and probably confirms the report of 1,000 tests by now.

P.S. Why would they test every one who rocks up thinking they might have the virus?

No, the article was published yesterday, using the last released figures. The new figures aren't out until Tuesday.

Why would you ? You wouldn't. The tests are useless for early warning. What you dont do, is send potential carriers who are concerned away thinking they are fine, to spread it.

Cheerful Spring2 · 09-03-2020 01:05AM

TheQuietBeatle wrote: »

How do markets drops look compared to 2008 levels?

-18,000 points is a stock market crash
20,000 borderline recession.
Currently at 24,000 points +

Watch the markets this week if you see more large drops be worried.

ldy4mxonucwsq6 · 09-03-2020 01:08AM

New Home wrote: »

It might not have been clear cut here in Ireland, but it damn well was elsewhere. By his behaviour he put other people at risk, just like the HSE did by telling him to go back to work. He was a victim insofar as he caught the virus, but he was still responsible for carrying on as normal, when he was not 100% sure he was in the clear.

Anyone who travelled to or from areas where there were outbreaks are responsible for their own actions and decisions.

HSE guidelines are not the same as basic common sense.

Many people have cancelled trips and continue to do so.

We are seeing the consequences now of those who would not sacrifice a holiday or at least ensure to take precautions on their return.

Blueshoe · 09-03-2020 01:08AM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

-18,000 points is a stock market crash
20,000 borderline recession.
Currently at 24,000 points +

Watch the markets this week if you see more large drops be worried.

9 year bull run.

ldy4mxonucwsq6 · 09-03-2020 01:09AM

siobhan2005 wrote: »

Up the walls with worry now. Teen going on school trip to Northern Ireland tomorrow. 12 cases up there doesn't look good at all. Gave wipes and hand sanitiser. At the stage where I might just pull my 2 other kids out of school for a week. Have type 1 diabetes myself so really dont want to get sick.

Hope that's a wind up.

NegativeCreep · 09-03-2020 01:09AM

I’m getting married in October and some of my close family will be travelling from Florida. I’m starting to worry they won’t be able to get here if this continues ðŸ˜¢

gozunda · 09-03-2020 01:10AM

Do the different parts of the HSE actually talk to each other?

This from the main Coronvirus information webpage

We expect there to be community spread of the virus soon. Think about how you can avoid crowded spaces, especially indoors. Indoor spaces are less well ventilated. The virus is more likely to spread in smaller and more crowded spaces.

https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/at-risk-groups.html

And yet three days ago the first case of community spread infection was diagnosed - two more today

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/Coronavirus-GP-says-Cork-University-Hospital-will-struggle-to-function-normally-c288b559-00d6-46a8-8990-c441a1061151-ds

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/two-more-cases-of-coronavirus-confirmed-in-ireland-bringing-toll-to-21-39026403.html

Strangely those with symptoms but who have not been in direct contact with a diagnosed person or who have not been in an infected region are still not being tested according to their own criteria

Exactly what level of arse and elbow mechanics are involved here?

TTLF · 09-03-2020 01:10AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Genuine question, would there be any benefit to keeping kids out of school, training,matches activities etc. without waiting for official advice to do so (if that ever actually happens or does that seem pointless at this stage?

As a fellow “kid” in the education system, I would be all for “let the kids stay home” but honestly, it really is your decision. It also depends on if schools are keeping up with hygiene things, (e.g i said on Thursday my school bathrooms had no soap, they STILL don’t, and some of those hand sanitizers are broken.)

My gut feeling is they’ll be closing schools in about a week or so country wide, I say this in hope because places like Spain or Germany with 1000 cases haven’t (I don’t think). But FOR NOW keep them in, and maybe wait 5 more days to make that call... you’re the adult here so go with your gut feeling.

As seen earlier In the thread, some crèches in tallaght are closed from tomorrow. I’m just still surprised the government hasn’t closed school yet because they’re a top place for germ spreading.

09-03-2020 01:10AM

New Home wrote: »

My agenda? I didn't report any lies. Look it up.

Yes. You are lying. There is no peer reviewed evidence of COVID-19 re-infection. You also slurred a doctor's name because they should have known better. The advice wasn't there at the time That is such victim blaming. It's sad to see in this day and age. Thought we had moved past that.

froog · 09-03-2020 01:11AM

less case increase worldwide yesterday (3900) than the previous day (4000).

owlbethere · 09-03-2020 01:11AM

Eliana Uptight Caterpillar wrote: »

In case anyone is wondering where our leaders are in all of this. This person alleging is a good friend of mine, well-known around where I live with numerous strings to their bow. This was apparently last night and I believe them. You can take it with whatever pinch of salt.

I would have expected him to be sitting down trying to come up with a government with FF.

fritzelly · 09-03-2020 01:12AM

Treasure Grumpy Tie wrote: »

Anyone who travelled to or from areas where there were outbreaks are responsible for their own actions and decisions.

HSE guidelines are not the same as basic common sense.

Many people have cancelled trips and continue to do so.

We are seeing the consequences now of those who would not sacrifice a holiday or at least ensure to take precautions on their return.

Really blame the governments
If they implemented no fly zones then those families wouldn't be losing thousands of euros on what may have been their only holiday this year
Even the DFA site still says exercise good hygiene habits!

cloudatlas · 09-03-2020 01:13AM

I’m due to come back to Ireland for a holiday from uk next week don’t know if I’ll go back, my parents live in quite an isolated area in terms of shops. I think they will need my help. If my office would just confirm flexible working / work from home now that would be good.

skimpydoo · 09-03-2020 01:13AM

kowloon wrote: »

Someone who is a qualified doc... no actually, scratch that. Is there anything to be said for another mass?

We had a qualified Doctor as Taoiseach and look where that got us.

New Home · 09-03-2020 01:14AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes. You are lying. There is no peer reviewed evidence of COVID-19 re-infection. You also slurred a doctor's name because they should have known better. The advice wasn't there at the time That is such victim blaming. It's sad to see in this day and age. Thought we had moved past that.

So if I can't get out of the house in the morning it'll only be the size of my nose I'll have to worry about, as opposed to the size of my head or my ego.

Xertz · 09-03-2020 01:14AM

I’d say if you are planing a wedding or similar events make sure you’ve event cancellation insurance.

Strazdas · 09-03-2020 01:15AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Genuine question, would there be any benefit to keeping kids out of school, training,matches activities etc. without waiting for official advice to do so (if that ever actually happens or does that seem pointless at this stage?
At the moment obviously most of us need to go to work and do foods shopping but if we kept all trips to a bare minimum would it actually help or is that being ott?

I dont think we need to be advised on the parades,just don't go or participate would be my opinion, I certainly wouldn't be going on advice from anyone that has an agenda regarding tourism or financial reasons, we can make those decisions ourselves imo.

I still don't see any reason why the parade(s) would be cancelled at this point. Most football matches in Europe are still going ahead in Europe as normal, including in France, NL and Germany.

Also, if visitor numbers to the parade(s) are well down, wouldn't that be a good thing from the health viewpoint? Simply banning it seems very hasty and draconian.

SafeSurfer · 09-03-2020 01:15AM

owlbethere wrote: »

I would have expected him to be sitting down trying to come up with a government with FF.

Such BS. Disgusting sh1te to be posting.

09-03-2020 01:15AM

New Home wrote: »

So if I can't get out of the house in the morning it'll only be the size of my nose I'll have to worry about, as opposed to the size of my head or my ego.

Peer reviewed evidence of COVID-19 re-infection? You said it exists. Where is it?

Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) *Read warnings in OP*

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Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) Read warnings in OP