Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) *Read warnings in OP*

NegativeCreep

J Mysterio wrote: »

Its March for ****s sake. Get over yourself.

I’m aware of the current month. We could have far more infections in Ireland by October. America could have far more infections by then too. That’s why I mention it. I’m allowed to worry about my wedding. Obviously if it is too dangerous to have a large gathering of people I will call it off and have a private wedding.

dxhound2005

skimpydoo wrote: »

15 minutes is bull**** as has already been said earlier in the week on tv by Kingston Mills. Its a lot less than that.

That could be good news, because it come from the same news report that quoted the 1.9 million. If both things are false I would be happy.

Runaways

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Surely people coughing and sneezing in open air is better than doing it in the pub, I think it should go ahead.

I’d say we’ll get tourists coming anyways but I don’t think it’ll be anything near the usual amount.

But let’s see.

New Home

New Home wrote: »

How long does it take for a peer review to be carried out? Couple of months, after the data has been collected? No? Longer? Well, I guess you'll have to wait, meanwhile the data is being collected.

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3876197

The following would seem to suggest re-infection shouldn't be occurring.

https://twitter.com/MackayIM/status/1236449541047504896?s=20

Also wasn't it suggested that the unreliability of the testing method itself was giving rise to the theory that re-infection was possible?

skimpydoo

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Enclosed gatherings with International visitors should definitely be banned. Can't think of any right now apart from the World Irish Dancing Championship in the Convention Centre from 5- 12th April. Yes you read that correctly.

Thousands of International visitors and spectators all confined in one space. I dunno.

I can think of two. Dublin Tech Summit in April and the JCI European Conference in May.

cameramonkey

Asterix2018 wrote: »

Would anyone please somewhere hear the fact that the Chinese Government knew of this virus - to the point of 'punishing' - the doctor who tried to alert it and later died of it.
Why isn't any global authority or indeed any country asking China for financial aid to help with resources we need to combat what they knowingly set free on the world?

Of course the Chinese were wrong in their initial approach but now they got it right and we should follow that lead. I dont think anyone will be getting any cash from the Chinese , it would be like asking the US or Britain for money for all the damage / refugees that they have created from their various recent attacks on other countries. Just wont happen.

New Home

New Home wrote: »

So far you haven't provided any research either, Dazzler.

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?start=10&q=covid-19+reinfection&hl=en&as_sdt=0,5#d=gs_qabs&u=%23p%3Deo-d0j_rrRwJ

There you go. Enjoy.

fritzelly

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Now I'm gonna have nightmares

Asterix2018

KWAG2019 wrote: »

Some of us are already doing social distancing. I have to say your belief that we will listen because it comes “from the top” is wonderfully innocent. The “top” as you put it has shown their true colours many times and I dismiss them every time they open their cynical self serving mouths.

Pope, this is not a time to indulge in what the Irish Government - an oxymoron if everything there was one...! - 'govern'?. Laughable.
But this is a time to point the finger at The Yellow Peril that is China

skimpydoo

ThePopehimself wrote: »

There's something in that, and it should come from the top, so that people will listen.

Include anybody with a serious underlying condition too. Good idea.

I have a serious underlying condition and I am self-isolating as much as possible. Tomorrow I have to go into to the lions den aka the Mater to get urgent blood tests and every now and again I will be going to my Eurospar which is less than a minutes walk from my apartment. I will be going nowhere else.

wakka12

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Surely people coughing and sneezing in open air is better than doing it in the pub, I think it should go ahead.

It is just the parade that may be cancelled. Pubs will still be open regardless

Ursabear

NegativeCreep wrote: »

I’m aware of the current month. We could have far more infections in Ireland by October. America could have far more infections by then too. That’s why I mention it. I’m allowed to worry about my wedding. Obviously if it is too dangerous to have a large gathering of people I will call it off and have a private wedding.

I totally understand you , I am due to pay final booking fee for my sister's hen weekend away which includes BBQs and nightclubs etc. It's a large sum of money but nowhere near wedding. Of course my main priority is everyone's health and I feel selfish even worrying about the money all the hens would loose if it is called off ,when ppl are going to die in this country, but it is a worry. Am wondering if i should change hen totally to something more low key before I send the money . Some ppl are mother's and other ppl have older relatives so I don't want anyone to be put in a bad position regarding community spread . Everyone thinks I am being hysterical worrying about it though

Cork Boy 53

endainoz wrote: »

Sounds sensible, we'll wait and see.

Hopefully it is true but as you have stated let`s wait and see. And not just Dublin but everywhere in the country.

Jeff2

I'd guess older people who look after relatives kids will stop doing that for risk to themselves.

So if schools close then parents will need to be off to look after kids.

Exclamation Marc

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I generally go by peer reviewed evidence. There is no evidence of COvID-29 reinfection. If you think about. Have you ever seen somebody who caught the seasonal flu recatch it straight away? You would have antibodies to that particular strain. New Home stated it as fact that reinfection occurs. They have not offered any proof apart from a Taiwan article. She fell behind the excuse that it's too soon for peer reviewed evidence. I would take a case study that was published in a paper (and this is flimsy) as my low threshold for "research".

Technically there's no evidence of Covid-29 infection at all

Let us get over this one first before you come in here with your viruses from the future

Runaways

skimpydoo wrote: »

I have a serious underlying condition and I am self-isolating as much as possible. Tomorrow I have to go into to the lions den aka the Mater to get urgent blood tests and every now and again I will be going to my Eurospar which is less than a minutes walk from my apartment. I will be going nowhere else.

The infectious diseases/isolation unit is way way down in the basement in the old building really far removed from the hospital itself. You’ll be grand.

fritzelly

Blueshoe wrote: »

The now infamous Wuhan market for anyone who hasn't seen it.

https://youtu.be/QADi8sgtkfw

Never noticed it before on that vid that was previously posted as being Wuhan and I questioned why comments were turned off and the people didn't look quite Chinese

It's actually Langowan Market in Indonesia
Better quality video here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAoiAUjtOFw

So don't think some of these disgusting eating habits are exclusive to China

Xertz

skepticalme wrote: »

Had a child come down with a virus last week. High temp, dizzy, headache and sore legs and slept alot. Nothing too bad. Have been washing hands, using hand sanitizer, and bleaching the house all week and the adults and another child have high temp and dizzy today.
Only thing I can think of is sick child coughed in our faces after climbing inbetween us during the night.
Am pessimistic about not getting covid19 now if any of the children catch it.

Agreed.

We had a big family Christmas a couple of years ago and a 3 year old who was visiting had (unknown to anyone) picked up norovirus (winter vomiting bug).

Everyone at the family Christmas got it and we ended up having to basically stay quarantined to avoid passing it onto other family members. So basically 7 of us in a big house with all the horrors of projectile vomiting.

I spent Christmas night sleeping on the floor of an en suite toilet as I was too sick to even leave the bathroom!

We tried everything to keep it from spreading - but everyone in the house got it.

It nearly put me of Christmas for life.

This Xmas, despite flu vaccine me and 4 family members got the flu. I lost a stone! It was *that* bad. I’ve never in my entire life had a flu like it. Sweats, joint pains, no appetite, couldn’t get out of bed for a week.

I can only assume the vaccine strains this year didn’t cover it.

So I’m just a BIT wary or this damn virus. Keeping spread from happening within a household is virtually impossible.

I’ve healthy immune system and normally don’t get sick & have no underlying illnesses. Although i’ll be spending next Xmas watching Netflix in a hermetically sealed room with bio filters lol.

Asterix2018

Asterix2018 wrote: »

Pope, this is not a time to indulge in what the Irish Government - an oxymoron if everything there was one...! - 'govern'?. Laughable.
But this is a time to point the finger at The Yellow Peril that is China

'Social Distancing'? What - You're not going to visit your auntie? Ridiculous. Understand China started this and China should undertake to help. God knows they've successfully since WW2 with quiet stealth taken over. Maybe less of the colloquial. More of the global

NegativeCreep

Ursabear wrote: »

I totally understand you , I am due to pay final booking fee for my sister's hen weekend away which includes BBQs and nightclubs etc. It's a large sum of money but nowhere near wedding. Of course my main priority is everyone's health and I feel selfish even worrying about the money all the hens would loose if it is called off ,when ppl are going to die in this country, but it is a worry. Am wondering if i should change hen totally to something more low key before I send the money . Some ppl are mother's and other ppl have older relatives so I don't want anyone to be put in a bad position regarding community spread . Everyone thinks I am being hysterical worrying about it though

Call it off and the virus doesn’t spread that bad - You over reacted.

Don’t call it off and people are afraid to come because the virus takes hold of the country - You didn’t do enough.

It’s catch-22!

drunkmonkey

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Come on your a pharmacist, does a drug/medicine need to have went through clinical trials before you'd recommend it.
I don't know how long you've been following this story but there have been cases of re-infection. We still don't have the full picture about this virus. Peer reviews will come but give it a chance.
There is a argument to say that testing isn't good enough and the re-infections aren't actually happening as the virus never fully went but the jury is out

I'll link you to this article why clinical trials are important....
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=vaccine+narcolepsy+sc&btnG=#d=gs_qabs&u=%23p%3D_PhPgCPuSPUJ

Also, have you heard of thalidomide????

STB.

Miike wrote: »

You mean my theories which the authors of the article you've quoted touch on? or did you not bother reading beyond the title of that either?

Have a good night.

81% tests negative or n/a subsequently became positive. The CT scans showed it up from the start.

Miike wrote: »

The way rRT-PCR testing works is a bit tricky, if you trawl my post history you'll get some (hopefully) good information on it. But the reason I bring it up is the test is only VERY effective when it returns a positive result (which requires the virus to be replicating at a significant number for the genetic material to be tested). The test does NOT return a "Negtative" results, only "not detected" -

It is clearly useless for early detection. Useless. This experience has been replicated and reiterated by the Doctor on the ground in Italy from day 1.

Ursabear

NegativeCreep wrote: »

Call it off and the virus doesn’t spread that bad - You over reacted.

Don’t call it off and people are afraid to come because the virus takes hold of the country - You didn’t do enough.

It’s catch-22!

Exactly!! 🙆*♀️

New Home

Deleted User wrote: »

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?start=10&q=covid-19+reinfection&hl=en&as_sdt=0,5#d=gs_qabs&u=%23p%3Deo-d0j_rrRwJ

There you go. Enjoy.

A search page from Google Scholar? LMGTFY was too much effort?

_Whimsical_

skepticalme wrote: »

My heart sank when I heard this on the radio. I had already had a look and our ICU beds are usually at capacity. The Guardian had already mentioned a triage for ICU for UK.
Lombardy's ICU is already overwhelmed after a few weeks. Older people won't be first on the list, but what about people with disabilities etc.

https://twitter.com/RachelDonadio/status/1236430756412567559?s=20

Mine too, its made me feel a little ill all day. The tiny capacity coupled with the knowledge that it's very early days and already 173 med staff are home self isolating. What will be left of the health service.

The same dr said on tonights news that "difficult decisions will have to be made in terms of prioritising patients for treatment". They won't prioritise older people, which I understand though find the prospect of devastating.
Who do you prioritise with such little capacity though ?
People with children ?People with a career that is valuable in this crisis should they recover? Who is "expendable"?
There are "sensible" lines to be drawn, but the prospect is frankly horrific.

To think it could have been prevented is really beyond galling.

Charles Babbage

wakka12 wrote: »

It is just the parade that may be cancelled. Pubs will still be open regardless

Better to keep the parade which is in the open air and close the pubs, or at least require them to keep people a metre apart and close at 6pm as they do in Italy.

nocoverart

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Surely people coughing and sneezing in open air is better than doing it in the pub, I think it should go ahead.

And if it goes ahead, the pubs will be busier afterwards and people will still be sneezing there. I don’t get your point.

gozunda

Blueshoe wrote: »

The now infamous Wuhan market for anyone who hasn't seen it.

https://youtu.be/QADi8sgtkfw

Already been posted and debunked

It's not Wuhan

Exclamation Marc

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Come on your a pharmacist, does a drug/medicine need to have went through clinical trials before you'd recommend it.

Jesus I'd never return to any doctor or pharmacy if I was offered untested medication, are you demented? You can come off seriously worse off by taking the wrong meds.

Whatever about the other arguments you lot seem to be having but this is the extreme other end of the spectrum to anti-vaxxers.

New Home

New Home wrote: »

A search page from Google Scholar? LMGTFY was too much effort?

It links to a science direct article. Not a search page.