Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) Read warnings in OP

Miike · 09-03-2020 12:47AM

juice1304 wrote: »

Consider the size of an average school where cases have been detected what 400 students? and then every plane load of idiots jetting off on holiday. 1000 tests is nothing. Especially considering it can take 24 days for symtoms to apear. There could be hundreds of peolpe unknowingly infected spreading the virus now. Which they will only be able to prove when they are actually very sick.
I for one am fairly terrified by the handling of the situation at present as i do have a degenerative lung disease.

You must be referring to the one outlier case that took 27 days of incubation?

The data at the moment, globally, suggests it's taking 2-14 days of incubation [Source]

Also. What testing regime do you suggest for people in these schools? Test them all the second someone gets a positive COVID19 results, regardless of contact type? That's a wonderful way to inundate the NVRL for a low chance of detecting the pathogen as it will not have had enough time to actually replicate and be detected by rRT-PCR.

boege · 09-03-2020 12:47AM

Miike wrote: »

Worthy of note in this paper - It's basing its results on the testing accuracy of rRT-PCR in Wuhan; which had terrible logistics and long wait times in getting samples to the lab (due to 'lockdown'), which interferes significantly with accuracy of the results.

Was the findings of that paper refuted. Genuine question as I am aware that sample quality is important and could see why it would be compromised in a shut-down situation? Even if it was, if the situation escalates here will the same 'terrible' situation not emerge?

Finally, my understanding is that at present with accelerated testing we are achieving a 24 hour turnaround on tests. I would be interested to know if this fits your knowledge and if sample numbers go up, have we the capacity to maintain this type of lead time?

My view is that we should do everything to detect this as early as possible while our numbers are low so that it can be contained.

09-03-2020 12:47AM

6 wrote: »

BTW, did someone say they'd rather be treated by a vet than a doctor??? That's enough internet for tonight.

Not only that, they victim blames people for getting COVID-19. They are a beacon of compassion.

Blueshoe · 09-03-2020 12:48AM

Boris Johnson has waived waiting days for people who require sick benifit . They will receive benefit from day 1

As it stands people in Ireland will go the first 6 days unpaid. 6 working days.

09-03-2020 12:48AM

paul71 wrote: »

I had a look at the posting history. Apparently ISIS were trained by the Israeli army and funded by the EU and US.

Some people are going to be fu*ked when the tinfoil shortage begins, but in this case more if there is a shortage of bridges imho.

Miike · 09-03-2020 12:48AM

STB. wrote: »

Well perhaps you could let Paul Cullen, the Health Editor with the Irish Times know because he is citing 400 from the NVRL in UCD.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/coronavirus-testing-to-rise-sharply-in-ireland-as-treatment-streamlined-1.4195612

Up to last week, almost 400 people had been tested, but this number is expected to have risen sharply when new figures are published early next week.

Read your own sources.

amor3 · 09-03-2020 12:51AM

Some of the comments seems to suggest this is true, as they have recieved calls from the creche apparently. All a bit too close to home for me now, being from the area, considering keeping kids home from school now.

igCorcaigh · 09-03-2020 12:51AM

6 wrote: »

The Italian quarantine was only lip service. They can't force you to stay so people are leaving.

Are people free to travel within the locked down region?

Jinglejangle69 · 09-03-2020 12:51AM

Why would any party go into government after this charade on RTE?

New Home · 09-03-2020 12:51AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Not only that, she victim blames people for getting COVID-19. She's a beacon of compassion.

No, I blamed people for lack of personal responsibility. "First, do no harm" still stands, right?

05eaftqbrs9jlh · 09-03-2020 12:52AM

In case anyone is wondering where our leaders are in all of this. This person alleging is a good friend of mine, well-known around where I live with numerous strings to their bow. This was apparently last night and I believe them. You can take it with whatever pinch of salt.

juice1304 · 09-03-2020 12:53AM

Miike wrote: »

You must be referring to the one outlier case that took 27 days of incubation?

The data at the moment, globally, suggests it's taking 2-14 days of incubation [Source]

Also. What testing regime do you suggest for people in these schools? Test them all the second someone gets a positive COVID19 results, regardless of contact type? That's a wonderful way to inundate the NVRL for a low chance of detecting the pathogen as it will not have had enough time to actually replicate and be detected by rRT-PCR.

Everyone in the class should be tested at a minium, they should at least check people tempetures in the airports and the isolate peole who have a fever. Stop all travel from places that are badly effected. Tell people what towns its in. Then people will take it seriously. There are far too many people with an im alright jack attitude not taking into consideration the others around them they could infect.

Graham · 09-03-2020 12:53AM

Eliana Uptight Caterpillar wrote: »

In case anyone is wondering where our leaders are in all of this. This person alleging is a good friend of mine, well-known around where I live with numerous strings to their bow. This was apparently last night and I believe them. You can take it with whatever pinch of salt.

and?

STB. · 09-03-2020 12:54AM

Miike wrote: »

Read your own sources.

Yes its 400 when last reported by the UCD during the week. Where are you getting your figures please ?

Miike wrote: »

There are in excess of 1,000 tests conducted so far in the Republic of Ireland? Widely cited by most news outlets at this point.

Where did you get the 1000 from ??

Widely cited where ? I'll wait.

fritzelly · 09-03-2020 12:54AM

Eliana Uptight Caterpillar wrote: »

In case anyone is wondering where our leaders are in all of this. This person alleging is a good friend of mine, well-known around where I live with numerous strings to their bow. This was apparently last night and I believe them. You can take it with whatever pinch of salt.

A friend well known by you - yep seems legit to me

Martina1991 · 09-03-2020 12:54AM

STB. wrote:

It doesn't work. How can a system where the answer is we are not testing you, its too early to tell and you are showing no symptoms (of which symptoms are not a requirement) and we don't want to say its negative, only for that to change in a few days time, work ? Come back in 10 days, when you won't need a test as you'll need a tube inserted into you to help you breathe. We'll then confirm its coronavirus as an afterthought for our numbers.

It takes time for the viral load to multiply to a level that can be detected. It's unfortunate that the incubation time is so long and that people can be asymptomatic but yet contagious.
That's not a limitation of the testing, its the pathogenesis of the virus.

A person could tested an hour after they become infected and they'd produce a negative result, and a clear CT scan.
That's not a fault of the PCR assay.
This is the case for any viral illness.

Miike · 09-03-2020 12:56AM

boege wrote: »

Was the findings of that paper refuted. Genuine question as I am aware that sample quality is important and could see why it would be compromised in a shut-down situation? Even if it was, if the situation escalates here will the same 'terrible' situation not emerge?

Finally, my understanding is that at present with accelerated testing we are achieving a 24 hour turnaround on tests. I would be interested to know if this fits your knowledge and if sample numbers go up, have we the capacity to maintain this type of lead time?

My view is that we should do everything to detect this as early as possible while our numbers are low so that it can be contained.

The testing we are doing at the moment is all done centrally by the NVRL. They are able to "cope" with currents demands but rRT-PCR testing is being rolled out nationally to local hospital groups to do local testing. This will increase our testing capacity, allow for changes in case definitions and ultimately mean increased capacity to test "lower risk" patients.

If the findings of that paper are reproducible and rigorous I'm sure we'll see it rolled out globally. But again, that paper is working under the premise of a quite desperate situation in Wuhan which has influenced our global response to the disease and how we handle it.

I'm of the same view of your self but this has to be founded in reproducible scientific evidence, otherwise it's going to do far more harm than good.

owlbethere · 09-03-2020 12:56AM

About that London vaccine thrial

I'm thinking, wouldn't you be better off receiving this in a controlled environment?

I'm considering doing this. I need to figure out a way to get from my home to their lab in London without getting infected.

ldy4mxonucwsq6 · 09-03-2020 12:56AM

amor3 wrote: »

Some of the comments seems to suggest this is true, as they have recieved calls from the creche apparently. All a bit too close to home for me now, being from the area, considering keeping kids home from school now.

Yes that is true.

kowloon · 09-03-2020 12:56AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Who would you like to see as health minister?

Someone who is a qualified doc... no actually, scratch that. Is there anything to be said for another mass?

josip · 09-03-2020 12:56AM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

...This is an absolute ****ing disgrace and needs to be halted immediately. If the Italians themselves won`t enforce it then handover the task to somebody who will.

They actually did have someone in running the north of the country a while back if memory serves me correctly.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 09-03-2020 12:56AM

STB. wrote: »

Yes its 400 when last reported by the UCD during the week. Where are you getting your figures ?

Where did you get the 1000 from ??

Widely cited where ?

400 was upto last Tuesday which is when the press breifing states how many tests there were in the previous week.

I really hope the current figure is around 1000. It's a number that makes sense given the ramping up of activity and I would be seriously disappointed if it wasn't around 1000.

09-03-2020 12:58AM

New Home wrote: »

No, I blamed people for lack of personal responsibility. "First, do no harm" still stands, right?

No you blamed a a doctor for going around their daily life. There was no HSE advice at that stage. They didn't do anything wrong but you still felt the need for victim blaming. Whatever else comes out of COVID-19, we shouldn't end up victim blaming especially when the situation wasn't as clear cut now as it was then. They didn't intentionally do it.

nocoverart · 09-03-2020 12:58AM

This whole thing got me thinking, wouldn’t this situation of extra hand washing be a real pain in the ass for a person with a cast... or maybe the cast would protect them somehow? like they couldn’t put their hand to the face. I’m no expert when it comes to Viruses LOL, just thinking out loud.

blanch152 · 09-03-2020 12:59AM

STB. wrote: »

Well perhaps you could let Paul Cullen, the Health Editor with the Irish Times know because he is citing 400 from the NVRL in UCD.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/coronavirus-testing-to-rise-sharply-in-ireland-as-treatment-streamlined-1.4195612

He wrote on Saturday that up to last week (was that the previous Saturday?) 400 had been tested, so that figure is way out of date, and probably confirms the report of 1,000 tests by now.

P.S. Why would they test every one who rocks up thinking they might have the virus?

owlbethere · 09-03-2020 01:00AM

Governments were slow to close the airports but someone posted a picture here earlier of an empty looking airport with few people manning desks. Now looks as if many of them might be in isolation and feck all to keep airports running. Sickening

givyjoe · 09-03-2020 01:00AM

fritzelly wrote: »

A friend well known by you - yep seems legit to me

It's hardly up there with UFO sightings. I've seen him myself in flyefit. Being in a gay club is hardly surprising.

09-03-2020 01:01AM

Genuine question, would there be any benefit to keeping kids out of school, training,matches activities etc. without waiting for official advice to do so (if that ever actually happens or does that seem pointless at this stage?
At the moment obviously most of us need to go to work and do foods shopping but if we kept all trips to a bare minimum would it actually help or is that being ott?

I dont think we need to be advised on the parades,just don't go or participate would be my opinion, I certainly wouldn't be going on advice from anyone that has an agenda regarding tourism or financial reasons, we can make those decisions ourselves imo.

Scoondal · 09-03-2020 01:01AM

As a taxi driver in a provincial town, I thought last night would be slow.
It was the busiest night since Christmas. People here don't care about any virus. The cocaine takes care of that.
Up to 2.30am, everything fine. After that everyone was off their heads, time wasters and dangerous.
I finished after 4am with nut cases still trying to flag me down.

bodhrandude · 09-03-2020 01:01AM

Deleted User wrote: »

TDs have a tradition to bowing to pressure from the Vintners’ Federation of Ireland. In fact there are a good few TDs who own pubs. Many pub owners rely on Paddy's Day to carry them through until when the tourist season starts in Easter. This year's tourist season may be very quiet due to the Coronavirus.

Yup Galway 2020 is going to suffer here as well as other events.

Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) *Read warnings in OP*

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Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) Read warnings in OP