Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) Read warnings in OP

Professor Moriarty · 08-03-2020 09:47PM

Scuid Mhór wrote: »

RECORD SCRATCH

"Virus, Corona. Yeah, that's me, but my friends call Corona virus me covid-19. You're probably wondering how I ended up here..."

The actual name of the virus is SARS-CoV-2.
The disease it causes is COVID-19 from: Coronavirus Disease 2019.
'Coronavirus' is a branch of viruses that include SARS and MERS. The name 'coronavirus' comes from the fact that these viruses have spikes that look like a crown.

Lord Trollington · 08-03-2020 09:47PM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Why declare 21, and not just say it's zero?

Say if 40 people had it. Surely it's easier to say 21 than 0, given the social media age we live in.

If we say 0 we just tell people we've tested that they are actually grand and send them on? That would be peak HSE ****housery.

08-03-2020 09:47PM

New Home wrote: »

Added a bit.

This makes me fume - they're old, so they don't matter as much, is that it?

The reported death count for today was:

1 person in the 0-49 age bracket;
1 person in the 50-59 age bracket;
14 people in the 60-69 age bracket;
39 people in the 70-79 age bracket;
60 people in the 80-89 age bracket;
18 people over 90.

As for the "dispute" on the reported/unreported cases is, could it be that they've been recorded but not yet disclosed? If you take Italy as an example, the number went up by over 1300 yesterday (or was it Friday? I'm losing count) because they said that some of the cases from a specific area had not been previously reported/disclosed. There's nothing to say that something similar mightn't be happening here.

If any comfort to you, I don't see age when I treat a patient.

ChikiChiki · 08-03-2020 09:48PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Shoot it down, quick!

We will dispatch our propellor fighter jets right away:pac:

dan786 · 08-03-2020 09:48PM

A motion to cancel Dublin's St Patrick's Day parade because of Covid-19 is to be debated by city councillors, writes our Dublin correspondent John Kilraine.

Independent councillors Christy Burke and Anthony Flynn have submitted an emergency motion to be debated at the Central Area committee meeting on Tuesday.

It calls on the council to cancel the parade stating "with increasing numbers contracting the Covid-19 infection and the threat to public safety the council must put public safety first".

If passed the councillors hope to raise it at a special full meeting of the council later that day.

gabeeg · 08-03-2020 09:48PM

Miike wrote: »

'Over 1,000' is the official figure.

So HSE, if you're reading, I'm going to assume you've done 1001 tests to date.

Miike · 08-03-2020 09:48PM

STB. wrote: »

Infact they are not testing people unless they have a fever AND other symptoms. Same crap they were advising in Italy.

People like lemmings with ticking time bombs over their heads. People eventually end up in hospitals because they cannot breathe.

Keeps the immediate reported numbers down, but are people self isolating? No chance, sure the HSE didn't warrant them as being at risk.

Spread, spread, spread. Has anyone told Tony Holohan that its out in the communities now, with no trace back to Italy, because he thinks he is still in some form of small containment phase.

Its not as if we didn't already know that those at the top of the HSE tree are inept.

(For those of you who have been reading my posts thus far, I'm sorry you have to see me continuously repeating myself. I would just like as many people as possible to get as informed as possible when it comes to this topic. It's quite important in my honest opinion.)

Testing is done on a case definition basis. The case definitions we are currently working under in Ireland (under Phase 1) are guided by ECDC Guidelines and HPSC Guidelines which can both be found here . I would also like to just briefly highlight these case definitions and criteria are both not absolute, they are dynamic and under constant review by all bodies. Given that 2 new cases of community transmission, we would hope this will now broaden the scope of testing criteria in light of that evidence.

In those guidelines you will see that fever isn't a requirement of testing but it's based on a whole host of differential presentations that we now know the disease can present with.

Drumpot · 08-03-2020 09:48PM

is_that_so wrote: »

I think it's about 1000 now.
From RTE

I wonder if my he daily testing rate is maybe 100? Think last week it was something like 400 and now it’s over a thousand.

spookwoman · 08-03-2020 09:49PM

Drumpot wrote: »

I’m not sure to be honest, but there is a chance that Dazzler is genuinely telling the truth and as far as the other posters suggesting stats are being manipulated are concerned they are telling the truth.

While I appreciate there are sick People who would get off on this sort of attention seeking, I don’t get the impression there have been many posters of this ilk in this thread. It’s a shame if any of the people behind these posts think this is funny.

I don't know, asking people to contact (dazzler a complete stranger that could be a janitor for all we know) to confirm they have the virus does not sound right. That's my own opinion, I don't know if either are telling the truth

You're a pharmacist, ok, but if it was me that was one of the Drogheda infected I wouldn't be calling you.

martingriff · 08-03-2020 09:49PM

banie01 wrote: »

I'd posted about unreported cases I'd been made aware of in Limerick by Medical and Academic colleagues.
Those are cases I 100% have trust in the person relying the info regarding.
Those cases have yet to appear on any reportage of the matter.

That may very well be because the HSE are solely reporting clinically confirming diagnosis confirmed by the NVLS.

Which is an "accurate" report, however it's a report of a deliberately distorted picture.
We know there are now 22 confirmed cases.

We do not know.
Versus how many tests?
How many have been asked to self isolate by GP or HSE live and are awaiting testing?
How many have a differential diagnosis of Covid-19 and are awaiting clinical confirmation?
How many potential cases are currently hospitalised?

All those little details build towards a far clearer picture of the current situation.
The partial information being provided at present is akin to propaganda.

It allows the very worst of misinformation presented by anybody sounding reasonably cogent, to appear not just possible but reasonable.

A fuller picture than just the confirmed infections would go a long way toward dispelling that.

Why do we need to know this. They are confirming confirmed cases. Why do they need to now say so today we had the following:

55 Tests performed
20 Negative test returned
10 Had the flu

You do know there is a thing of 2 much info.

martingriff · 08-03-2020 09:51PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Reporting the news is not scaremongering or doomsday prepping.

If the subject matter of the thread is upsetting you that much just don't look at the thread.

But stop coming in and calling everyone scaremongerers etc.

99% of reports posted here are 100% verifiable news reports and stats.

The most concerning thing for me about these threads is those who seem totally ill equipped to deal with any crisis.

This is probably a millennial thing but it's worrying all the same that a lot of people these days can't cope with bad news.

Again you don't have to look at the thread. Plenty of other places to get info from.

That is a bit far fetched now.

TommyKnocker · 08-03-2020 09:51PM

gabeeg wrote: »

Any idea how many tests we've done?

There's a real lack of transparency on this. The NHS in the UK have a running total of tests completed front and centre on their website.
We instead get told things like it's "over 300" a couple of times a week.

From this RTE news article

There has also been a major increase in Covid-19 testing with over 1,000 cases tested so far.

08-03-2020 09:51PM

Drumpot wrote: »

I’m not sure to be honest, but there is a chance that Dazzler is genuinely telling the truth and as far as the other posters suggesting stats are being manipulated are concerned they are telling the truth.

While I appreciate there are sick People who would get off on this sort of attention seeking, I don’t get the impression there have been many posters of this ilk in this thread (trying to be this sincere). It’s a shame if any of the people behind these posts think this is funny.

I'm not a doctor. I've never claimed.to be. I'm a.pharmacist by trade (any more.infromstion would make me.easy to.identify. the misspelling were due to windy conditions and I can't be arsed.

RandomName2 · 08-03-2020 09:51PM

Lord Trollington wrote: »

Just a thought out loud here.

Is there any countries figures in the World we could actually trust ? Maybe this is tinfoil hat stuff.

Aren't they all going to try to minimise global image damage and economic damage. Including our own country.

I would legitimately totally trust the figures reported by Italy. They are (now) aware of how serious it is, they are trying to deal with it, and it is a serious outbreak. It is also a western country so attempts at covering up would be much more difficult.

I'd also cautiously believe China's figures. Not because China is trustworthy in any way, but because it is aware that it has no option but to be candid. They are also making Trojan efforts to combat the disease, so it is reasonable to expect it to be paying dividends.

is_that_so · 08-03-2020 09:52PM

Drumpot wrote: »

I wonder if my he daily testing rate is maybe 100? Think last week it was something like 400 and now it’s over a thousand.

Somewhere in myriad briefings last week there was mention of them generally ramping up testing from now on and there are those rapid response teams on call.

08-03-2020 09:52PM

Lord Trollington wrote: »

Where are you my good friend? China ?

The new outbreak in Hanoi is just down the road. Eight foreigners have it now and they flew from England so it's likely to go around the places I usually be at. Small city in terms of where foreigners go.

Some colleagues have a friend here who spent five days with two people who were a few seats behind the woman who brought it here from Italy. She's facing five to twelve years for manslaughter if anyone she gave it to dies.

wadacrack · 08-03-2020 09:52PM

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1236755756399067138

That isint bad for a country of our size tbh. USA are barely testing

spookwoman · 08-03-2020 09:53PM

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1236754784788647938?s=20

gabeeg · 08-03-2020 09:53PM

Miike wrote: »

(For those of you who have been reading my posts thus far, I'm sorry you have to see me continuously repeating myself. I would just like as many people as possible to get as informed as possible when it comes to this topic. It's quite important in my honest opinion.)

Testing is done on a case definition basis. The case definitions we are currently working under in Ireland (under Phase 1) are guided by ECDC Guidelines and HPSC Guidelines which can both be found here . I would also like to just briefly highlight these case definitions and criteria are both not absolute, they are dynamic and under constant review by all bodies. Given that 2 new cases of community transmission, we would hope this will now broaden the scope of testing criteria in light of that evidence.

In those guidelines you will see that fever isn't a requirement of testing but it's based on a whole host of differential presentations that we now know the disease can present with.

Your list of affected areas is woefully out of date. Are we still acting under these guidelines?
https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/affectedareas/

If people are presenting with symptoms having recently been in France, Germany, Spain etc - are they being sent away without being tested?

dxhound2005 · 08-03-2020 09:53PM

Ariah Happy Rooster wrote: »

Are you a dis-information agent?

Sure what would world-regarded Microbiologist (Peter Piot) know about it.

Did you ask your mechanic/hairdresser for their prediction instead and choose to apply value to that? To be fair those hairdressers are good at the gossip and always seem to know what's really going on about the town.

The assumption that this is only the very beginning of an outbreak is held also by the uk's Chief Scientific Adviser: Patrick Vallance.

I was summarising his own words, but I will quote them here.

“I’m not the scaremongering type,” he says. “But I think this is serious in the sense that we can’t afford not to consider it as a serious threat.

“It could be that, indeed, it’s going to be over in a few months,”

He also speculated that it could be much more serious. Like the 1.9 million claim from another source, I see no proof in any of the speculation.

namloc1980 · 08-03-2020 09:54PM

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YFlyer · 08-03-2020 09:54PM

If washing powder or washing liquid run out. One can use urine for washing clothes.

Drumpot · 08-03-2020 09:54PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Somewhere in myriad briefings last week there was mention of them generally ramping up testing from now on and there are those rapid response teams on call.

Yeh, I suppose That explains them testing individuals more but its not clear if their capacity for actually scientifically get the results is equally increasing?

STB. · 08-03-2020 09:54PM

Mr.S wrote: »

We aren’t in Italy. But thanks, I’ll save reading the long essay (from a random, unverified person) on Facebook

He is not a random person. He has identified himself. His name is Daniele Macchini, He is a surgeon at a totally overwhelmed hospital in Northern Italy. As reported on Sky Italy.

https://tg24.sky.it/cronaca/2020/03/08/coronavirus-italia-facebook-daniele-macchini.html

The reason he did it is because some people are complaining about the effects on their everyday abilities to go to football practice etc or refusing to understand the seriousness of what is going on. Does that sound familiar to you ???????

Italy were in the same boat as Ireland a few weeks back. Now they are fighting a health epidemic.

FFS.

martingriff · 08-03-2020 09:54PM

ChurchtownMan wrote: »

Unfortunately not.
The statistic is misleading. Those detected were only detected for that reason because they needed acute medical attention. Effectively, it is a selective sample of those who have most quickly become part of the 10-15% of those infected. It is not representative as an indicator of the number infected.

So your saying they are only confirming the cases that need hospital and not bothering with the people who can be treated at home!!!

woohoo!!! · 08-03-2020 09:54PM

Akrasia wrote: »

People are being told to not call their doctor unless they have been in contact with a confirmed case. But they’re also not telling us who the confirmed cases are or where they have been....

I know they’re trying to avoid panic and people flooding the service with nuisance calls, but they’re also not giving people the information they need to recognize if their cold is potentially more then just a cold

That's not correct. The GP or helpline are more than happy to give you info on symotoms to expect vs that of a cold, as a work colleague confirmed last week (her daughter had come back from skiing in north Italy). What they're doing re testing is concentrating on Italy contact cases, which should change in my opinion.

RandomName2 · 08-03-2020 09:55PM

SwordsRunner wrote: »

Attachment not found.

15 minutes from Dublin right now.

Please let us know if there is any testing conducted whatsoever.

Please, please let them at least use a temperature monitor.

Miike · 08-03-2020 09:56PM

gabeeg wrote: »

Your list of affected areas is woefully out of date. Are we still acting under these guidelines?
https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/affectedareas/

If people are presenting with symptoms having recently been in France, Germany, Spain etc - are they being sent away without being tested?

They are not 'my' lists of anything. The important take home from the guidelines are that there is set criteria and the affected areas will be ever changing on a daily basis. When the guidelines references an 'affected area' I would be looking at WHO SitReps for up-to-date information concerning those. I hope this clears things up

Kermit.de.frog · 08-03-2020 09:56PM

So after a handful of cases how many medical staff are out of action now in Ireland?

RandomName2 · 08-03-2020 09:58PM

STB. wrote: »

The reason he did it is because some people are complaining about the effects on their everyday abilities to go to football practice etc or refusing to understand the seriousness of what is going on. Does that sound familiar to you ???????

Italy were in the same boat as Ireland a few weeks back. Now they are fighting a health epidemic.

FFS.

I wonder how annoying it was for reasonably sensible civilians living in France and the UK during the 'phony war' back 80 years ago.

Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) *Read warnings in OP*

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Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) Read warnings in OP