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Coronavirus Part IV - 19 cases in ROI, 7 in NI (as of 7 March) *Read warnings in OP*

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  • #9182
    Sir Oxman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    An Ri rua wrote: »
    Why, which ambassador, or source even, are you referencing? The AskMyArse search engine?
    :D:D:D

    *Business Idea*


  • #9183
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    harr wrote: »
    I was in kildare village shopping outlet yesterday and plenty of Chinese and Italians plus plenty of other nationalities knocking about. When I was leaving another bus load of Chinese tourists arrived. Business as usual It seems

    It's up to governments to put controls in place to curb this. I know it sounds discriminatory but it is saddening to hear stories of Italians who are great people and friends being refused from Taxis. I have heard more than one story. Taxi drivers are caught between a rock and a hard place having to make such calls.

    Government formation should be scrapped for 6 months at a minimum and our leadership should be working on a cross party basis.

    It is a pity that some of the major parties have such an ego that they refuse to work with the others. Ego should be put to the side for once.

    We have a lame duck situation. Having a re election is not an option now.


  • #9184
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,037 ✭✭✭✭fits


    harr wrote: »
    I was in kildare village shopping outlet yesterday and plenty of Chinese and Italians plus plenty of other nationalities knocking about. When I was leaving another bus load of Chinese tourists arrived. Business as usual It seems

    Kildare village was dead on Friday. Definitely not business as usual.

    We are going ahead with our plan for St Patrick’s Day. Heading out west. I don’t think as a family we will change much of our plans unless told to. And we will of course be mindful of vulnerable folks.


  • #9185
    RandomName2
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    CinemaGuy45 wrote: »
    This ship has taken on a bit of water fair enough but there is no evidence it's going to take on anymore or even sink.

    I've heard some hysterical individuals saying that they believe the ship will sink, but that's just scaremongering. Leave those lifeboats where they are!

    Next you'll have fools saying we shouldn't have hit the iceberg in the first place.

    Besides which, only old people have to fear the cold water. It has been well established that young healthy individuals can last a solid hour in these temperatures.


  • #9186
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    Darc19 wrote: »
    People don't get drunk watching a parade.

    Those who want to get drunk will do so whether or not there is a parade.

    With so few cases at present, it's premature to cancel anything.

    Obviously things can change. But at this moment there's simply too much hysteria

    So lets be reactive instead of proactive!


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  • #9187
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,105 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    The Czech Republic has broken ranks.

    They are calling on Italy to ban all foreign travel by Italian citizens.

    First country in Europe to openly call for that


  • #9188
    DOCARCH
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,864 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    Darc19 wrote: »
    With so few cases at present, it's premature to cancel anything.

    That's the reason to cancel, to try and keep it that way.

    The risk is not from the confirmed cases.

    The risk is from the unconfirmed cases that are out there.


  • #9189
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    is_that_so wrote: »
    And I agree we should be looking at other countries. There is no evidence so far that they'll end up with an Italian scenario.

    Equally there is no evidence that proves we won’t end up like Italy. So what do we do? Wait for it to happen or take the measures they are taking a week or two in advance to slow down the spread?

    We are most likely only testing only some of the people who have the virus. How do I know this? Because our authority’s expect more cases so even they aren’t delusional enough to think they have thus under control.

    We are only testing people who have the most obvious symptoms and still haven’t even suggested people who were in Italy (who may not have symptoms and may never have symptoms but could spread it) quarantine themselves. We are preparing ourselves for the worst and doing little to nothing to try to mitigate the spread.

    In fact asides from getting ready for this to be awful, what exactly are we doing to slow down the disease now other then tell people to wash their hands?


  • #9190
    ChurchtownMan
    Site Banned Posts: 38 ✭ChurchtownMan


    john_doe. wrote: »
    Hmm Italy as an outlier just doesn't make sense.
    It's same virus , and I don't think they messed up more than anyone else would or we would here.

    This would make more sense and it's purely timing. And if that is true then other countries are not learning from them and just putting it down as an exception.

    No. Italy is not an outlier. It made no particular mistakes. It is balancing economics with health on a day by day basis. It is doint what every other European country has chosen to do, only it was first into the firing line. Other countries have little to learn - they simply have the benfit of more time.


  • #9191
    un5byh7sqpd2x0
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    Bob24 wrote: »
    Yes we can all agree Italy made a mess out of this. But still if you take French daily figures and match them to Italian figures a week earlier, the charts do seem to look awfully similar.

    (I am taking France as an exemple as it is broadly a similar size and population, but I would put other European countries in the same basket)

    How exactly did Italy “screw up “ ? Seeing as you then go on to say France figures are exactly the same... Did France “screw up” too so?


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  • #9192
    irishgeo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,706 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    US2 wrote: »
    You want me to get a sick cert off the hospital for you or something?

    How do you know 100%?

    Or did you see it whatsapp or Facebook, like the rest of the rubbish. 6 different places for the case in the west a few days ago and none of them were right.


  • #9193
    circadian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,421 ✭✭✭circadian


    I've said it before and I'll say it again. Economically we'll be hit. The government had the choice between controlling it by restricting movement and putting other measures in place or allowing the spread of illness control the economic hit. It seems that our government has gone for the second option for short term gain.


  • #9194
    CinemaGuy45
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    RandomName2 wrote: »
    I've heard some hysterical individuals saying that they believe the ship will sink, but that's just scaremongering. Leave those lifeboats where they are!

    Next you'll have fools saying we shouldn't have hit the iceberg in the first place.

    Besides which, only old people have to fear the cold water. It has been well established that young healthy individuals can last a solid hour in these temperatures.

    And besides the rescue ship will be along any minute now.


  • #9195
    Thewife
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 402 ✭✭Thewife


    Apologies if this has already been asked and answered . How will this lockdown in Italy work ? No flights in or out ? What about the Italians then might be elsewhere on holidays , will they be allowed back in ? And has the lockdown already been put in place ?
    Wuhan alert the people that it was going to be put on lockdown at a certain day and time and supposedly up to 5 million people got out quickly before the lockdown started so I’m wondering if this could be the same situation in Italy .


  • #9196
    ChurchtownMan
    Site Banned Posts: 38 ✭ChurchtownMan


    pc7 wrote: »
    Yeah DS it’s a starting point for sure, Italy shows how it can go wrong. We’ve had Wuhan, now Italy, If that doesn’t show them what happens when it goes wrong you may through your hat at it.

    Italy has done nothing wrong. Just because the outcome is bad on one level, does not mean they have made a mistake. They have done nothing that any other European country would have done. And in fact, will be doing over the coming months. Lombardy alone expects 18000 infections in 2 weeks.


  • #9197
    Bob24
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    is_that_so wrote: »
    And I agree we should be looking at other countries. There is no evidence so far that they'll end up with an Italian scenario.

    I guess technically you never get absolute evidence of what the future will be.

    But we can look at strong clues: the virus has set foot in ireland and is starting to spread locally. We are probably where Italy was a few was a few weeks ago (although we would have a better picture if we were tested more suspected cases).

    Now we cant predict if we will end up like Italy as it depends on how we react (and to a smaller extend it depends on luck and local circumstances like the fact that we are a smaller country on an island). But currently I am not sure we are doing things very differently from what Italy was doing a few weeks ago ...


  • #9198
    biko
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    Darc19 wrote: »
    With so few cases at present, it's premature to cancel anything.
    Because of people thinking like this the virus managed to spread all the way from China to my hometown :(


  • #9199
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    circadian wrote: »
    I've said it before and I'll say it again. Economically we'll be hit. The government had the choice between controlling it by restricting movement and putting other measures in place or allowing the spread of illness control the economic hit. It seems that our government has gone for the second option for short term gain.

    This. It is saddening to see medical professionals screaming at the Government to cancel and their calls falling on deaf ears.


  • #9200
    Pseudonym121
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 309 ✭✭Pseudonym121


    Graces7 wrote: »
    Great article, A while back I posted re a village in the UK way back in plague times. Eyam , in Derbyshire. When the Plague hit in the 1660s, they opted to cut themselves off totally to avoid spreading it further. Heroic.

    Spearheaded by the local clergy who. like most of the village, died of the plague when they could have left and risked others.

    See BBC programme " Eyam; Village of the Damned"


    People wonder what healthcare workers will do. I amnt going to be addressing COVID19 rates etc directly anymore. The public narrative is catching up to what I said and was attacked for So there’s no need to keep ringing the alarm. With that said this was an interesting post and here’s some interesting reading of what happened within living memory ( thankfully this isn’t as lethal as SARS or MERS etc so there won’t have to be quite as drastic self-sacrifice).

    Sars: The people who risked their lives to stop the virus http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-23710697

    And here’s a few sobering insights regarding how doctors and nurses die at higher rates than the public with this sort of thing From the Irish Times
    https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/noble-tradition-of-healthcare-workers-placing-themselves-in-danger-lives-on-1.4165486

    When SARS and swine flu hit I was still an NCHD and my colleagues and I had to decide what to do on a personal level knowing these sorts of outcomes. I’m glad to say everyone I worked with kept coming in and several of us agreed amongst ourselves to move into the hospitals and live there ( and if necessary did there) until it passed. Thankfully they never got as bad as this is going to get in Ireland but I remember those discussions very vividly.

    If necessary doctors and nurses worldwide will make the big play if it is necessary for society. Not all of them but enough.


  • #9201
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    CinemaGuy45 wrote: »
    This ship has taken on a bit of water fair enough but there is no evidence it's going to take on anymore or even sink.

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    That's a poor example as that ship is clearly sinking! I'm not sold as some seem to be on the shut down the country approach. As Boris said, quoting his own medical people, there are lots of tools available and we should not be using them all at once. That time may come but it's not now.


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  • #9202
    Runaways
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    ChurchtownMan wrote: »
    Nonsense. While it may frustrate the permananently Outraged of The Internet, this is nothing to do with transparency. Authorities will not release information simply as fuel for an avid twitter stream, or rubberneckers.
    The authorities are doing their best in unprecedentedly difficult circumstances, and one that they fundamentally cannot win. 'Transparency' has nothing to do with the health care of the nation. In contrast, the lack of it, is being taken for very good and responsible reasons.



    Just to add there were people in this very thread and on social media pretty much looking to Lynch that doctor in cork who returned to work after coming home from Italy.
    Another reason we’re not given any more information than is necessary


  • #9203
    Drumpot
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    CinemaGuy45 wrote: »
    And besides the rescue ship will be along any minute now.

    I heard there’s a few Irish lads on the rescue ship so they delayed it until after the parade.


  • #9204
    Funsterdelux
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    DOCARCH wrote: »
    That's the reason to cancel, to try and keep it that way.

    The risk is not from the confirmed cases.

    The risk is from the unconfirmed cases that are out there.

    It would also give people a chance to organise other work for themselves. Cancel orders etc.

    The later its left the worse it is for everyone


  • #9205
    Mic 1972
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    Darc19 wrote: »
    People don't get drunk watching a parade.
    Those who want to get drunk will do so whether or not there is a parade.


    And that is gonna have to change, pubs are places for people gathering and drunk people have no ability to take precautions against spreading or protecting themselves from it


  • #9206
    RandomName2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    is_that_so wrote: »
    As Boris said, quoting his own medical people, there are lots of tools available and we should not be using them all at once. That time may come but it's not now.

    You do know that Boris has abandoned containment and has accepted that covid-19 will spread across the UK, with measures only put in place to help the NHS cope with the volume of cases generated?


  • #9207
    New Home
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    Thewife wrote: »
    Apologies if this has already been asked and answered . How will this lockdown in Italy work ? No flights in or out ? What about the Italians then might be elsewhere on holidays , will they be allowed back in ? And has the lockdown already been put in place ?
    Wuhan alert the people that it was going to be put on lockdown at a certain day and time and supposedly up to 5 million people got out quickly before the lockdown started so I’m wondering if this could be the same situation in Italy .


    No travelling into, out of, or within the area unless for emergencies or undeferrable work reasons (e.g. nurses, doctors, emergency services, electricity suppliers, etc).


  • #9208
    Mic 1972
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    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    The Czech Republic has broken ranks.

    They are calling on Italy to ban all foreign travel by Italian citizens.

    First country in Europe to openly call for that


    You sound like a broken record. The virus is here already, your best chances to get infected is next week at the parades


  • #9209
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Pseudonym121 wrote: »
    People wonder what healthcare workers will do. I amnt going to be addressing COVID19 rates etc directly anymore. The public narrative is catching up to what I said and was attacked for So there’s no need to keep ringing the alarm. With that said this was an interesting post and here’s some interesting reading of what happened within living memory ( thankfully this isn’t as lethal as SARS or MERS etc so there won’t have to be quite as drastic self-sacrifice).

    Sars: The people who risked their lives to stop the virus http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-23710697

    And here’s a few sobering insights regarding how doctors and nurses die at higher rates than the public with this sort of thing From the Irish Times
    https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/noble-tradition-of-healthcare-workers-placing-themselves-in-danger-lives-on-1.4165486

    When SARS and swine flu hit I was still an NCHD and my colleagues and I had to decide what to do on a personal level knowing these sorts of outcomes. I’m glad to say everyone I worked with kept coming in and several of us agreed amongst ourselves to move into the hospitals and live there ( and if necessary did there) until it passed. Thankfully they never got as bad as this is going to get in Ireland but I remember those discussions very vividly.

    If necessary doctors and nurses worldwide will make the big play if it is necessary for society. Not all of them but enough.

    Just a crying shame that people and countries in “civilized” society’s won’t make the sacrifices now to help you guys. Good luck over the next few months.


  • #9210
    RandomName2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    biko wrote: »
    Because of people thinking like this the virus managed to spread all the way from China to my hometown :(

    That's how case zero becomes case 106,165


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  • #9211
    ChurchtownMan
    Site Banned Posts: 38 ✭ChurchtownMan


    KWAG2019 wrote: »
    The emerging choice is apparently you affect economy or you affect number of deaths; with the caveat that increased death rate will have economic, social and political consequences later. I think the caretaker govt is at risk of having made a choice through inaction, be that intentional or not.

    https://twitter.com/bopanc/status/1236437764431908864?s=21

    It is the choice the whole of Europe is taking. No European country can take the Wuhan option.

    Keep in mind for comparison, that what China shutdown to prevent the spread was the equivalent of Ireland shutting down Waterford. If that solved the issue for Ireland to, it would do so, and could take the economic hit. But Ireland, cannot shut its 5M population down. It simply could not function. And doesnt have another 500 million citizens outside that area to bail it out.


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