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Coronavirus Part IV - 19 cases in ROI, 7 in NI (as of 7 March) *Read warnings in OP*

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  • #8942
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    Numbers in other countries suggest a doubling every 3 days. But testing is key.

    Going by that it could be something like:

    60 cases by Tuesday
    120 by Friday
    240 by Bank holiday Monday
    480 by Thursday after paddy’s
    960 by mothers day.

    On a ooint of order there is no bank holiday Monday this month. St Patrick`s Day will be a Tuesday.


  • #8943
    Darc19
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭Darc19


    Talisman wrote: »
    Fecking hell - that Business Post front page is a real headline grabber.

    Business post has moved into tabloid territory with scare headlines recently.

    I cancelled my subscription as it changed far to much


  • #8944
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    Can I ask something please?


    The worldometers, last updated about an hour ago, says China is up 45 cases today.

    I thought they were on lockdown since January to prevent or slow down spread. How is it spreading when I presume their movements out is very limited.


  • #8945
    ZX7R
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Dr Geha says as fears of a recession grow, Australia needs migrants “more now than ever before” to boost economic output and stem the damage to the hard-hit education, tourism and agriculture industries.

    An urban planning expert has called for more migrants, not less, in the face of “hysteria” over coronavirus that he warns could be hijacked by populists to “stoke immigration fears”.

    Dr Shane Geha, managing director of EG Urban Planning, worries the government’s current travel restrictions on visitors coming from China, South Korea and Iran could fuel broader anti-immigration sentiment.

    Dr Geha says as fears of a recession grow, Australia needs migrants “more now than ever before” to boost economic output and stem the damage to the hard-hit education, tourism and agriculture industries.
    https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/australia-needs-immigration-more-now-than-ever-before-to-offset-coronavirus-impact-expert-says/news-story/2fc4560c782ed83d3a2696c4e4522fb1

    ITS pretty much the same for Ireland we need to keep the economy ticking over short term,long term we have stimuli and cash reserve but if you intrudes it too early it wont help


  • #8946
    Talisman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,611 ✭✭✭Talisman


    owlbethere wrote: »
    I thought they were on lockdown since January to prevent or slow down spread. How is it spreading when I presume their movements out is very limited.
    Some of the new cases have come from external sources, e.g. people returning from Italy.


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  • #8947
    Graces7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    I just don't see that given how spread out we are in rural Ireland and the precautions people are beginning to take.

    It's definitely possible numerically and from what we know about the virus itself.

    The rural aspect will protect many. Looking at West mayo where we are spread out. If we capitalise on this. eg shop for older folk. Far easier to do this in a rural setting than in a town centre.


  • #8948
    Graces7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Miike wrote: »
    Makes me wonder what consistencies are possible for third level institutions. A lot of exams to be sat in 8 weeks time - I can't help but wonder how they're going to navigate that mine field if the projections for spread are true (12 week to peak etc). You can't indefinitely postpone exams, surely?

    There are many things that will need to be adapted; best to start planning soon?Rather than last minute panic that will affect exam performance


  • #8949
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Xertz wrote: »
    The EU and ECB are looking at doing a fairly big fiscal stimulus package to help with this. Discussions began about ten days ago on this at EU level. It’ll just take some time for all 27 members to agree and action to be taken.

    You have to remember the EU is the collective will of 27 countries. It’s “us” and it doesn’t tend to act all by itself on big spend issues. It will have to get the views of all 27 members and come up with a joint plan.

    Despite the mythology in the British press, the EU is about as far from a big scary centralised bureaucracy as you could get. It’s often slow moving because it’s about pooling decision making through negotiation and discussion, not taking power away from members.

    Also the ECB can help with central banking tools but the EU itself doesn’t have a large budget to play with anyway. There isn’t a federal system in place. All it can really do is coordinate things and try to create a fund but that takes willingness by member states.

    It’s not the US federal government nor is it anything like the tabloids imagine it to be.


    That might explain some things thanks for sharing. If it spreads to different nations makes it easier to get consensus. Much like the banking contagion. Germany was not in favour of bailing out greeks and Italians etc.

    Could have easily closed borders etc. People are saying it's not effective in halting it but Chinese cities (other than wuhan) are not overwhelmed. Yes there would have been a cost associated with this but look at every place that has had an outbreak. The quarantine is inevitable and the only effective counter-measure when it starts taking hold. I'm sure people in Italy are washing have been washing hands.

    I find it interesting that Italy disregarded WHO advice for fear of economic cost of such measures. When the system is teetering on the brink they are forced to implement it. Much better to get ahead of it and stop system being overwhelmed.

    but what do I know, I'm just an ordinary Joe soap.


  • #8950
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    Talisman wrote: »
    Fecking hell - that Business Post front page is a real headline grabber.

    Very surprised at them Tbh. Usually a good solid publication but this is OTT.


  • #8951
    joe_99
    Closed Accounts Posts: 763 ✭✭✭joe_99


    owlbethere wrote: »
    Can I ask something please?


    The worldometers, last updated about an hour ago, says China is up 45 cases today.

    I thought they were on lockdown since January to prevent or slow down spread. How is it spreading when I presume their movements out is very limited.

    45 new cases from 10s of thousands infected is unbelievable


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  • #8952
    Steven81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭Steven81


    Graces7 wrote: »
    There are many things that will need to be adapted; best to start planning soon?Rather than last minute panic that will affect exam performance

    Problem is if people are too sick to sit the exams, am sure in certain courses if it spreads then a large amount of class might be unable to sit exams. College is not cheap and would place a huge financial burden if they had to repeat the year again.


  • #8953
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    Very surprised at them Tbh. Usually a good solid publication but this is OTT.

    Really don't get this comment. Are you surprised at the fact that health officials have modelled this and they have to prepare for most likely scenario?

    Or are you surprised that a newspaper would publish something which while shocking is clearly in the public interest.

    No point being surprised.


  • #8954
    DellyBelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭DellyBelly


    Hamsterchops wrote: »

    Heard another rumer that dogs carry the virus, & pass it on to humans .....
    No basis in science as far as I know.

    Are you serious? Christ that's very worrying. I wasn't that concerned but if the above is case I'd be starting to get a wee bit anxious. My neighbours have loads of dogs


  • #8955
    tbayers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 501 ✭✭✭tbayers


    Talisman wrote: »
    With regards to Ireland, that is a big assumption, we don't get the warm temperatures until the summer months. 20-22C is considered hot and we are about 3-4 months away from reaching those temperatures. The south of Spain is a good indicator as to whether the temperture has an effect.

    Alicante province was virus free up until last week (3 cases found on Thursday, 1 related to North Italy). The region has been enjoying temperatures in the 20-22C range already this month and it will get increasingly warmer from now on. If temperature is a decisive factor in preventing the spread of the virus, then the outbreak shouldn't explode there. If it spreads, I would expect fatalities on the scale of what we see in Italy because there are a large amount of retirees from Ireland and the UK living there, many with underlying health conditions.

    Florida has loads of cases atm, so the temperature argument is mute. High 20's there recently.


  • #8956
    SMC92Ian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭SMC92Ian


    the butcher wrote: »
    Like that health official from clare? :rolleyes: We should not underestimate the stupidity and selfishness of people.

    Or that person who had it and decided to go to a festival instead of quaratine.


  • #8957
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    Hysteria? Ironic that an anti vaxxer should mention that word in your post.:rolleyes:

    I'm not anti vaxxer but it sounds like they are trying to come up with a cure/medicine/vaccine fast and you can't rush bringing out new medicines which can have bad side effects.


  • #8958
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Steven81 wrote: »
    Problem is if people are too sick to sit the exams, am sure in certain courses if it spreads then a large amount of class might be unable to sit exams. College is not cheap and would place a huge financial burden if they had to repeat the year again.

    Which could result in students that might have mild symptoms thinking they are fine and continue on to sit exams. It's a **** storm whatever way you look at it.


  • #8959
    Bob24
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Diamond Princess
    Grand Princess
    And now Royal Princess

    Wouldn't go on a cruise if you paid me right now

    https://twitter.com/hashtag/royalprincess?src=hashtag_click

    Indeed. I have done a few cruises and it is something I like, but it might be the worse setting for the virus to spread. Once one person on the ship has if it will spread like wildfire so do close proximity until you quarantine. Even at the end of the cruise it won’t leave the ship with passengers disembarking as thousands of crew are staying on board, so eventually it will become endemic on all cruise ships (if it isn’t already).

    I think cruise companies might be in deep trouble and soon enough all cruises globally might have to be cancelled for a period of time.


  • #8960
    Axfrderr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 82 ✭✭Axfrderr


    viewfromtheuk wrote: »
    The chance of getting HIV is practically zero if you avoid intravenous drugs use and male to male anal sex.
    WTF?? Are you posting from the 1980's
    What's shocking is that nobody called this out and some people actually thanked the post.


  • #8961
    hairyslug
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,561 ✭✭✭hairyslug


    There are a few good reports knocking around that not temperature but humidity could help as infected mucus will not linger in the air as long.


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  • #8962
    Azatadine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,562 ✭✭✭Azatadine


    Why is Northern Italy so bad but not Southern Italy?


  • #8963
    Bob24
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    viewfromtheuk wrote: »
    Yes, Yes Yes!
    The EU can print unlimited money to bail out banks, why not print money to save the lives of EU citizens?

    Ah they will print money, this is what they do best and in any situation (their solution to climate change also is money printing).

    But while it *might* help some businesses in the short term it won’t stop a virus and it will come back to bite us in the long term.


  • #8964
    Tordelback
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 677 ✭✭✭Tordelback


    Axfrderr wrote: »
    WTF?? Are you posting from the 1980's
    What's shocking is that nobody called this out and some people actually thanked the post.

    It's like something an Eastenders character would have said in the '80s - Dot or Lou Beale, probably. How do 35 years pass without reality sinking in.


  • #8965
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,022 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    I'm not anti vaxxer but it sounds like they are trying to come up with a cure/medicine/vaccine fast and you can't rush bringing out new medicines which can have bad side effects.

    They'll never come up with a cure there's no money in it, maintenance is where it's at with annual recurring revenues.


  • #8966
    Graces7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Steven81 wrote: »
    Problem is if people are too sick to sit the exams, am sure in certain courses if it spreads then a large amount of class might be unable to sit exams. College is not cheap and would place a huge financial burden if they had to repeat the year again.

    From past experience I am sure that the authorities are well aware of this and will adapt and provide accordingly.

    So many "ifs" in your post.


  • #8967
    Bob24
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    Ardillaun wrote: »
    Regarding COVID-19, Ireland is lucky to have the Brits next door. They seem to be doing a better job than anybody in Europe on getting ahead of this thing, testing more than 20,000 people already. We are WAY behind that in Canada and the US.

    It will hurt some people to admit it, but yes it is undeniable Britain has been tackling this significantly better than most of the rest of Europe. They are still not at Singapore level though.


  • #8968
    2xj3hplqgsbkym
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,181 ✭✭✭2xj3hplqgsbkym


    Graces7 wrote: »
    The rural aspect will protect many. Looking at West mayo where we are spread out. If we capitalise on this. eg shop for older folk. Far easier to do this in a rural setting than in a town centre.

    I was wondering about this. I live in Dublin city and am concerned for my eldest child who has a lung/ & liver condition and unable to fight respiratory infections. Was wondering if he would be better off going to stay with family in a rural area. What do you think?


  • #8969
    Tordelback
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 677 ✭✭✭Tordelback


    Graces7 wrote: »
    There are many things that will need to be adapted; best to start planning soon?Rather than last minute panic that will affect exam performance

    The exam system exists to serve us, we created it - it's not a property of reality we have to contend with. If it comes to it, we'll adapt and/or reschedule, same with all these other society-based obstacles.

    You're absolutely right, we just need to calmly plan these things.


  • #8970
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Graces7 wrote: »
    The rural aspect will protect many. Looking at West mayo where we are spread out. If we capitalise on this. eg shop for older folk. Far easier to do this in a rural setting than in a town centre.

    Just read a good BBC article about what we can learn from Spanish flu.
    https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200302-coronavirus-what-can-we-learn-from-the-spanish-flu
    "But some places did manage to keep the flu at bay, often by using basic techniques that are still being used 100 years later. In Alaska, one community on Bristol Bay escaped the flu almost unscathed. They closed schools, banned public gatherings, and shut off access to the village from the main road. It was a low-tech version of the travel restrictions that have been used in some areas today, such as China’s Hubei province and northern Italy, in an effort to stop the coronavirus spreading."


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  • #8971
    pc7
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,272 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    Azatadine wrote: »
    Why is Northern Italy so bad but not Southern Italy?

    I think because it was circulating there so long before detection. People being treated in hospital for pneumonia that was corona and spread from there.

    The scenes on the news of people rushing to get trains out of red zone in Italy last night are a joke. Packed trains likely spreading it now to the rest of Italy and elsewhere.


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