Coronavirus Part IV - 19 cases in ROI, 7 in NI (as of 7 March) Read warnings in OP

tobefrank321 · 08-03-2020 02:06AM

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Aids does not spread from coughing or sneezing.

People are not going to get Aids in the supermarket or at work.

A point I already made.

jam_mac_jam · 08-03-2020 02:07AM

Xertz wrote: »

The comparison with HIV is, to be quite honest, not very helpful. HIV is effectively a chronic illness that progresses very slowly and is, thankfully, now rather well managed in the developed world and does not present a huge load on emergency systems. It’s also relatively much more difficult to pick up, and that’s not to in anyway understate the risk.

COVID 19 is the complete opposite. It’s highly contagious and spreads by droplet infection much like a common cold and, for percentage of those who pick it up has dramatic symptoms that happen quite rapidly and, as yet, there’s no medical treatment for it beyond symptom management. Antivirals are being trialled and tested but we are still not near a magic bullet solution to deal with it and a vaccine is still not imminent either.

The former runs the risk of a manageable emoidemic, the later runs the risk of a very difficult to contain pandemic.

The comparison with AIDs was about the fear around it but people are going off on tangents. Not that they are alike at all. But the fear and media around it

Still waters · 08-03-2020 02:07AM

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Aids does not spread from coughing or sneezing.

People are not going to get Aids in the supermarket or at work.

Not with that attitude you wont

CinemaGuy45 · 08-03-2020 02:09AM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

A point I already made.

Sorry just joined in again a few minutes ago did not go back through the pages.

Donald Trump · 08-03-2020 02:09AM

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Aids does not spread from coughing or sneezing.

People are not going to get Aids in the supermarket or at work.

Not so sure about that. I've heard bad things about Lidl ............

neonsofa · 08-03-2020 02:09AM

People just don't read posts before going off on one lecturing. Posting counter points to an argument that wasn't even made in the first place.

Mervyn Skidmore · 08-03-2020 02:11AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

What happens if we have to go into a lockdown situation and can't work?

Rent and bills still have to be paid.

The army are preparing tankers of bacon and cabbage as we speak.

CinemaGuy45 · 08-03-2020 02:12AM

neonsofa wrote: »

People just don't read posts before going off on one lecturing. Arguing counter points to an argument that wasn't even made in the first place.

When we found out about the first case more info emerged the next day saying it was from a secondary school idiots on here read it as a second case.

fritzelly · 08-03-2020 02:12AM

Mervyn Skidmore wrote: »

The army are preparing tankers of bacon and cabbage as we speak.

Let me die now

Xertz · 08-03-2020 02:14AM

Audrina Swift Showboat wrote: »

It's more the psychological comparison rather than comparing the actual viruses themselves, a lot of unknowns when AIDS epidemic began. I think the unknown paired with an invisible threat is what scares people.

The psychological issue around HIV was also a moral panic about sex and particularly huge issues around homophobia, and that still plays an enormous part in why it was stigmatised so much and also why it did not get the priority it should have received in the early days. It was a disease someone else got and quite likely someone who the moral right wing would look down their noses at ans tut.

COVID 19 is something we’re all in the same boat with. There’s been a bit of xenophobia whipped up but it, but for the most part this is not remotely as complicated as HIV in terms of how it’s going to be discussed or the extreme levels of attention and priority it will get.

Sadly easy access to HIV treatment is still hampered by all sorts of crazy baggage, but I don’t think you‘ll see anything like the level of confusion and unpleasant nonsense that went on around HIV in the 1980s.

There really isn’t all that much common ground in the psychology.

tillyfilly · 08-03-2020 02:15AM

Dog tests 'weak positive' for coronavirus, a 1st case of human-to-canine infection

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-first-case-human-to-dog-transmission.html

Mervyn Skidmore · 08-03-2020 02:15AM

Donald Trump wrote: »

Not so sure about that. I've heard bad things about Lidl ............

It was in the middle aisle for ages and eventually went 30% off to clear it.

CinemaGuy45 · 08-03-2020 02:16AM

tillyfilly wrote: »

Dog tests 'weak positive' for coronavirus, a 1st case of human-to-canine infection

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-first-case-human-to-dog-transmission.html

Why all the trolling?

Posting a picture of empty Aldi shelves that was a few years old passing it off as being taken on Saturday morning?

Pretzill · 08-03-2020 02:17AM

ITman88 wrote: »

I’m sorry what happened with your dad.
We don’t know whatever what happened in China before or after the virus, the previous poster you quoted doesn’t either, what we need know is unity

Why do we need unity? We need leadership, we need decisive, factual directives. We need to be clever, use foras like this one, utilise technology over movement, etc We need to be less unified and more unsociable until this epidemic ceases. We need to ensure that our loved ones get through this and all measures, however draconian, should be employed for that. It is unity that has got us and everyone else in this mess.

Wash hands
wear gloves
Wipe surfaces
cover your mouths
Avoid crowded areas

Hopefully this will all pass.

wonski · 08-03-2020 02:18AM

Still waters wrote: »

This is where the banks step in and say thanks for the bail out guys, everyone gets 1 year free from mortgage payments and we pay your esb

Some are already thinking of this scenario.

Add a few who are hoping for paid days off out of it and you have the whole picture of the society.

Not to mention those poor souls who can work from home and are looking forward to it. Sure if you can work from home for weeks you can be easily replaced with another individual in India or Hungary who will be more than happy to do it for half of your salary.

Not to mention that the employer could be at liquidation stage before it even happens depending on the industry you are working on.

Lazy and selfish society we are looking at now.

A bit of racism added to the mix and let's see where we end.

owlbethere · 08-03-2020 02:19AM

How does a hotel/quarantine centre - collapse?

Doesn't China sometimes deal with earthquakes? Would their buildings and infrastructure be like Japan's - built to withstand tremors?

I hope things didn't get out of hand there and something sinister happened.

fritzelly · 08-03-2020 02:19AM

Spread in the US - new case in Missouri not on the map - and this is pretty much from not testing anyone

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-cases.html

The US is an absolute clusterfcuk - more confirmed cases in the past 2 days than the previous 6 weeks combined

fritzelly · 08-03-2020 02:19AM

tillyfilly wrote: »

Dog tests 'weak positive' for coronavirus, a 1st case of human-to-canine infection

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-first-case-human-to-dog-transmission.html

Why do you insist on spamming the thread?

jam_mac_jam · 08-03-2020 02:21AM

owlbethere wrote: »

How does a hotel/quarantine centre - collapse?

Doesn't China sometimes deal with earthquakes? Would their buildings and infrastructure be like Japan's - built to withstand tremors?

I hope things didn't get out of hand there and something sinister happened.

I don't know about their building regulations but I'm guessing Japan are more careful of their citizens and would be less corrupt.

fritzelly · 08-03-2020 02:21AM

owlbethere wrote: »

How does a hotel/quarantine centre - collapse?

Doesn't China sometimes deal with earthquakes? Would their buildings and infrastructure be like Japan's - built to withstand tremors?

I hope things didn't get out of hand there and something sinister happened.

Google building collapses in China - build 'em fast, fall fast

Xertz · 08-03-2020 02:22AM

ITman88 wrote: »

I’m sorry what happened with your dad.
We don’t know whatever what happened in China before or after the virus, the previous poster you quoted doesn’t either, what we need know is unity

I’d also just stress Ireland is *not* even remotely comparable to China. We couldn’t be any less like an authoritarian state.

Strange things happen in China in terms of human rights abuses and secretive state practices, as they did in the USSR and in plenty of other regimes characterised by authoritarianism and a culture of coverup.

You are simply not going to see that happen here as there’s no way it could. We don’t have that type of system and the government neither has an interest in, the power to, nor the ability to do any of those things.

In fact, I would go as far as to say that if the government tried to conspire against anything, I don’t think they would even manage to pull it off for more than a couple of minutes due to a mixture of leaks and inability to be that tightly commanded and organised - and that’s not something I’m being critical or, rather that I’m quite thankful for.

Give me Irish somewhat organised chaos any day over militarised authoritarianism!

Away With The Fairies · 08-03-2020 02:22AM

The virus is here, nothing can be done about it now.

Somebody mentioned that our goal now is to slow down the spread of it in one go and not have a health system overloaded.

How do we slow it down? Surely it's more than hand washing?

ThePopehimself · 08-03-2020 02:22AM

Here it is: Italy responds

Take note Ireland... there's still time to do the right thing on March 17th...do we want this in a few weeks time? No weddings, no funerals......

Italy set to quarantine whole of Lombardy due to coronavirus

The decree provides for banning
* all public events
* closing cinemas
* closing theatres
* Closing gyms
* Closing discos and pubs
* Banning all Religious ceremonies such as funerals and weddings.

The Italian government is to lockdown the northern region of Lombardy, as it battles to contain the spread of the coronavirus.

The country is grappling to contain Europe’s worst outbreak of Covid-19, which has claimed 233 lives and infected a total of 5,883 people.

“We will win this battle if our citizens adopt a responsible attitude and change their way of living.”

Read the full article below:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/07/italy-set-to

Mervyn Skidmore · 08-03-2020 02:25AM

If anything, people need to have a serious thought about their mortality. As someone who has seen family members prematurely die and friends die through suicide, people need to stop assuming that they can cruise through life well into their 70s and 80s and then just bow out. The world can be a cruel place and it owes you nothing. Pay attention to the warnings, wash your hands, limit contact with other people, and accept that this is going to be a major pain in the arse but that in all likelihood you and your loved ones will get through it.

owlbethere · 08-03-2020 02:26AM

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

I don't know about their building regulations but I'm guessing Japan are more careful of their citizens and would be less corrupt.

Thanks for putting my mind at ease.

fritzelly · 08-03-2020 02:27AM

ThePopehimself wrote: »

Here it is: Italy responds

Take note Ireland... there's still time to do the right thing on March 17th...do we want this in a few weeks time? No weddings, no funerals......

But but but we've only got 19 cases, tis grand

Varadkar doesn't wanna have the decision on his head - thought more about the cows than they do people right now.

Cilldara_2000 · 08-03-2020 02:32AM

fritzelly wrote: »

But but but we've only got 19 cases, tis grand

Varadkar doesn't wanna have the decision on his head - thought more about the cows than they do people right now.

You do realise that FG were not in power in 2001? Half the caretaker government, including Varadkar, weren't even TDs at the time. And the main man responsible for the emergency measures in 2001, Minister for Agriculture Joe Walsh, passed away a few years ago.

Christy42 · 08-03-2020 02:32AM

maddog wrote: »

This annoys me, mortality rate is based on a functional health service.... 2200 infections fills all our icu beds! The mortality rate would be in the high 30 % with a non functioning health service.
This is not the flu, 2000 on trolleys across our hospital’s yesterday.

Don't we have 80% as mild cases?

Even if we didn't let anyone in hospital we wouldn't reach 30% mortality. Scaremongering. We need a sensible response. Not people shouting the end is nigh.

Quantum Erasure · 08-03-2020 02:32AM

fritzelly wrote: »

But but but we've only got 19 cases, tis grand

Varadkar doesn't wanna have the decision on his head - thought more about the cows than they do people right now.

well, you don't have to put down everyone in the village if one person gets it...

Cilldara_2000 · 08-03-2020 02:32AM

Mervyn Skidmore wrote: »

If anything, people need to have a serious thought about their mortality. As someone who has seen family members prematurely die and friends die through suicide, people need to stop assuming that they can cruise through life well into their 70s and 80s and then just bow out. The world can be a cruel place and it owes you nothing. Pay attention to the warnings, wash your hands, limit contact with other people, and accept that this is going to be a major pain in the arse but that in all likelihood you and your loved ones will get through it.

Who assumes this?

Coronavirus Part IV - 19 cases in ROI, 7 in NI (as of 7 March) *Read warnings in OP*

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Coronavirus Part IV - 19 cases in ROI, 7 in NI (as of 7 March) Read warnings in OP