Coronavirus Part IV - 19 cases in ROI, 7 in NI (as of 7 March) Read warnings in OP

gozunda · 07-03-2020 11:19PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You think anyone wants to read about the flu?

Maybe be best to direct that to the poster to whom I was replying...

WhiteMemento9 · 07-03-2020 11:19PM

NH2013 wrote: »

Surely we're now at the "inkling" of an outbreak now with 19 cases out of a population of 4 million?

So full steam ahead with total lockdown in Ireland for the next 3-4 weeks? Close all shops and businesses tomorrow, ground all flights, stop all schools and colleges, no cars/buses/trains, no GAA training, no public gatherings, everyone stay in their houses in order to make sure we don't spread it to other countries?

Because that's what you're suggesting Italy should have done but when it comes home you can see exactly how unpalatable it actually is.

It isn't really though that unpalatable when you see the outcome in Italy. Tough choices have shi*ty outcomes on both sides that is why they are tough choices. You can argue that they didn't know enough to make a properly informed choice but we now do.

Cilldara_2000 · 07-03-2020 11:19PM

Miike wrote: »

Meetings with key stakeholders have been taking place for weeks now by the HSE to ensure procurement of adequate supplies of vital materials and medicines. Do you research anything or just form opinions out of thin air?

And at least two of the global shortage items they mention are made in this country.

Mervyn Skidmore · 07-03-2020 11:19PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

A lot of people are ignoring the fact that the Italian government, the Irish government and many others have prioritised the economic benefits of the airline industry over stopping the spread. We would have zero cases if flights to/from Italy were cancelled earlier. It's not speculation, it's a fact.

It's not a fact. People can enter this jurisdiction from the North without any barrier.

loughside · 07-03-2020 11:20PM

tillyfilly wrote: »

it's a 32 county disease

Nah, its a British Isles disease

drkpower · 07-03-2020 11:20PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

A lot of people are ignoring the fact that the Italian government, the Irish government and many others have prioritised the economic benefits of the airline industry over stopping the spread. We would have zero cases if flights to/from Italy were cancelled earlier. It's not speculation, it's a fact.

Do you think the Irish people who returned home with Covid would have stayed in Italy?

tuxy · 07-03-2020 11:20PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

A lot of people are ignoring the fact that the Italian government, the Irish government and many others have prioritised the economic benefits of the airline industry over stopping the spread. We would have zero cases if flights to/from Italy were cancelled earlier. It's not speculation, it's a fact.

Italy were fast to cancel flights from China.

Cork Boy 53 · 07-03-2020 11:20PM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

A lot of people here are still flying out to Italy and the rest of Europe, what do we do with them?

If they want to go to any areas that are most affected by the virus let them go but don`t let them back into this country. Let them stay there.

ChikiChiki · 07-03-2020 11:20PM

Strazdas wrote: »

One reason I've heard is they have a high number of intensive care beds - four times the rate of the NHS.

We are utterly ****ed. I'm so fearful of that if ICU availablity is the big difference.

It that the issue with Italy, lack of ICU beds?

Germany having 0 deaths is good going.

Mic 1972 · 07-03-2020 11:21PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

A lot of people are ignoring the fact that the Italian government, the Irish government and many others have prioritised the economic benefits of the airline industry over stopping the spread. We would have zero cases if flights to/from Italy were cancelled earlier. It's not speculation, it's a fact.

It is not a fact, it's pure speculation. The virus was probably here already or it would have entered some other way. We can stop it from causing an outbreak, but we could never prevent it from entering the country

ACitizenErased · 07-03-2020 11:21PM

Mervyn Skidmore wrote: »

It's not a fact. People can enter this jurisdiction from the North without any barrier.

You're assuming spread from the north by stating that, which is complete speculation.

Martina1991 · 07-03-2020 11:21PM

juno10353 wrote:

Many departments run a more limited service out of hours eg labs, theatres, administration etc

The vast majority of laboratory work is specimens from GPs.
When clinics and GPs operate 24/7 then maybe there would be an increased demand on services.

Laboratories and Radiography also work extended working days after 5pm.

Other healthcare professionals like dieticians, OT, Physio, speech and language, podiatry dont work past 5pm.

Maybe you can ask those services to extend their day to clear waiting lists.

juno10353 · 07-03-2020 11:22PM

Martina1991 wrote: »

juno10353 wrote:

Isnt it time that we had a 24/7 hospital service. A service where all departments work shifts. Exray, bloods, labs, theatres etc. Then maybe we could deal with backlogs, trolleys etc.

In situations as we now have labs would be working around the clock so many more people could be tested and either registered and monitored or cleared.

Um radiography and laboratory services are available at night and weekends.
27/7, 365.

You don't know what you are talking about.

Services at night and weekends are not full staff shift services. We do not now have the staff to run labs 24/7 full strength so backlogs, delays and minimal testing will be the best we can hope for

Mic 1972 · 07-03-2020 11:22PM

tuxy wrote: »

Italy were fast to cancel flights from China.

what difference did it make?

Away With The Fairies · 07-03-2020 11:22PM

fritzelly wrote: »

https://extra.ie/2020/03/07/news/irish-news/supervalu-finglas-sanitising-station-coronavirus

Every shop and business needs to be doing this.

Call Me Jimmy · 07-03-2020 11:22PM

WhiteMemento9 wrote: »

It isn't really though that unpalatable when you see the outcome in Italy. Tough choices have shi*ty outcomes on both sides that is why they are tough choices. You can argue that they didn't know enough to make a properly informed choice but we now do.

If people think this was a 'choice' it's a very liberal definition of the word.

Tipperary animal lover · 07-03-2020 11:22PM

Just say a clip of 3 women going at it over toilet paper in a store on the sky news site ... end of days kinda stuff ... did they ever here dog leafs more environmentally friendly

Mervyn Skidmore · 07-03-2020 11:23PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You're assuming spread from the north by stating that, which is complete speculation.

I'm not. I'm saying that even if Ireland banned incoming flights from Italy. People could fly into the UK and enter here through the North.

Cilldara_2000 · 07-03-2020 11:23PM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

We are utterly ****ed. I'm so fearful of that if ICU availablity is the big difference.

It that the issue with Italy, lack of ICU beds?

Germany having 0 deaths is good going.

9 serious cases in Germany. Ireland could manage that many serious cases.

Spanish Eyes · 07-03-2020 11:23PM

I remember the Foot and Mouth outbreak back in 2001.

We were in Spain at the time and it was looking dodgy as to whether we could get back or not. Was a bit of a tough time for the humans. But no bother to curtail everything for the animals.

Priorities, priorities.

JDD · 07-03-2020 11:23PM

Miike wrote: »

Meetings with key stakeholders have been taking place for weeks now by the HSE to ensure procurement of adequate supplies of vital materials and medicines. Do you research anything or just form opinions out of thin air?

Have the told us how much they have? E.g, how many extra hospital beds will be available in two months?

ACitizenErased · 07-03-2020 11:24PM

Mervyn Skidmore wrote: »

I'm not. I'm saying that even if Ireland banned incoming flights from Italy. People could fly into the UK and enter here through the North.

Yes, they could. But we also could have zero cases as of right now if flights from Italy were stopped earlier.

Miike · 07-03-2020 11:24PM

JDD wrote: »

Have the told us how much they have? E.g, how many extra hospital beds will be available in two months?

No Leo Varadkar's crystal ball is in the jewelers getting an ultrasonic cleaning at the moment.

ACitizenErased · 07-03-2020 11:24PM

Cilldara_2000 wrote: »

9 serious cases in Germany. Ireland could manage that many serious cases.

The German health system is incredible. I'm not even surprised their numbers (serious and fatal) are so low.

drkpower · 07-03-2020 11:25PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Yes, they could. But we also could have zero cases as of right now if flights from Italy were stopped earlier.

What would the Irish returnees have done had flights been stopped?

VinLieger · 07-03-2020 11:26PM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

It is not a fact, it's pure speculation. The virus was probably here already or it would have entered some other way. We can stop it from causing an outbreak, but we could never prevent it from entering the country

We literally could have by implementing strict quarantine and flight and boat restrictions thanks to being a tiny island, but that would have required our leaders and the HSE chiefs to have balls, instead they are all too afraid of being criticised for making the wrong decision.

ACitizenErased · 07-03-2020 11:26PM

drkpower wrote: »

What would the Irish returnees have done had flights been stopped?

Self-isolated, like recommended.

Osamabindipper · 07-03-2020 11:26PM

Tipperary animal lover wrote: »

Just say a clip of 3 women going at it over toilet paper in a store on the sky news site ... end of days kinda stuff ... did they ever here dog leafs more environmentally friendly

I don't like the doc leafs because the fingers tend to slide through them too easy.. Tried grass too but you spend 15 mins pulling it out of you afterwards. Newspaper is nasty stuff all together too.

We are bloody doomed.

VinLieger · 07-03-2020 11:27PM

drkpower wrote: »

What would the Irish returnees have done had flights been stopped?

We could have organised repatriation flights and setup quarantine settings.

The answers to these kinds of questions are incredibly obvious and the only argument against them is it would have been difficult to do

gozunda · 07-03-2020 11:27PM

Cilldara_2000 wrote: »

https://www.nhs.uk/news/medical-practice/three-quarters-of-people-with-flu-have-no-symptoms/

This has already been discussed in thread. Many people with flu have little or no symptoms.

How would they know they had Influenza so?

I was replying to the rubbish that apparently all cases of influenza are "Not something to really write about"

That my friend is complete and utter horse****3. That's from first hand experience btw ...

Coronavirus Part IV - 19 cases in ROI, 7 in NI (as of 7 March) *Read warnings in OP*

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Coronavirus Part IV - 19 cases in ROI, 7 in NI (as of 7 March) Read warnings in OP