NEW 2020 Assistant Principal Officer Competition

Cheeseplant · 06-03-2020 7:16am #1

https://www.publicjobs.ie/en/?option=com_jobsearch&view=jobdetails&cid=114935&campaignId=2045902

Very surprised at this...there is an open AP competition ongoing at the moment. Why aren't they using that panel??

Can a mod change the title- this is a standard open for all departments.

Ap2020 · 06-03-2020 10:38am

Wasn't expecting this for a few months yet. Best of luck everybody!

Riskymove · 06-03-2020 10:59am

Cheeseplant wrote: »

Very surprised at this...there is an open AP competition ongoing at the moment. Why aren't they using that panel??

all panels must end....the last panel was launched in 2018 so I presume would be due to end later this year.

Cheeseplant · 06-03-2020 11:10am

Riskymove wrote: »

all panels must end....the last panel was launched in 2018 so I presume would be due to end later this year.

From 2018 thread it seems to be in place until October 2020.. unless I imagined reading that!

Addle · 06-03-2020 1:06pm

Is the current Dublin panel exhausted?

prettyboy81 · 06-03-2020 1:26pm

Addle wrote: »

Is the current Dublin panel exhausted?

No but they are on the last batch from AP 2018 competition.

Cheeseplant · 06-03-2020 4:47pm

prettyboy81 wrote: »

No but they are on the last batch from AP 2018 competition.

Any idea how many were placed over the course of thi competition?

Sonic_exyouth · 06-03-2020 5:18pm

The 2020 AP inter-D and open competitions are launched;

https://publicjobs.ie/en/index.php?option=com_jobsearch&view=jobdetails&Itemid=263&cid=114935&campaignId=2045902

Good lucK!

Brera · 06-03-2020 6:23pm

Best of luck to everyone applying.

There will a large amount of retirements across the civil service after the pay increase in October, so my guess is they are trying to get ahead of the curve and have people ready to go ahead of the mass exodus.

Addle · 06-03-2020 7:09pm

Any thoughts on what counties to apply for, outside of Dublin.
I guess the cities have the biggest offices?

Cheeseplant · 06-03-2020 7:15pm

Addle wrote: »

Any thoughts on what counties to apply for, outside of Dublin.
I guess the cities have the biggest offices?

Laois, Kildare? Ag and Defence for sure, maybe others?

Forthebuzz · 06-03-2020 9:32pm

This is out much earlier in the year than I thought it would be

Addle · 06-03-2020 10:08pm

Any opinions/info on recruitment in mayo? I’ve heard they’re always looking for heos, but never hear anything about APs.

prettyboy81 · 06-03-2020 10:10pm

Cheeseplant wrote: »

Any idea how many were placed over the course of thi competition?

Nope sorry.

BMHOPE · 07-03-2020 12:47am

Addle wrote: »

Any thoughts on what counties to apply for, outside of Dublin.
I guess the cities have the biggest offices?

Look at the counties that have the biggest offices for e.g Kerry for payroll shared services, limerick has biggest revenue outside Dublin, or with a few different civil services offices close to you as the larger the number the larger the chance. You can always put your preferential county down as number 1 with another for backup where there are a lot of civil servants, cause as well as retirements there could be career breaks or vacancies due to promotions. The higher the level the less that are taken off the panels unfortunately.

Forthebuzz · 07-03-2020 10:38pm

Just read through the booklet there and see that stage 2 is an online interview, have they used these for AP before? I know they did for 1st sec but haven't heard of it in the open main comp before?

Cheeseplant · 07-03-2020 11:18pm

Forthebuzz wrote: »

Just read through the booklet there and see that stage 2 is an online interview, have they used these for AP before? I know they did for 1st sec but haven't heard of it in the open main comp before?

I think they did online interviews for the lost recent AO.
Does the booklet say they are definitely doing that or is it just one of the selection options?

MrsBean · 08-03-2020 7:25pm

Forthebuzz wrote: »

Just read through the booklet there and see that stage 2 is an online interview, have they used these for AP before? I know they did for 1st sec but haven't heard of it in the open main comp before?

That's not what it says. It says:

Selection Process
The Assistant Principal selection process for this competition will comprise a number of elements. These may include one or more of the following...

Online interviews were used for the recent AO comp for specialised streams.

Not sure if they'll necessarily utilise the online interview, but they seem to be listing all possible elements of the comp to cover themselves. Could depend on how many numbers of applicants they're dealing with. Maybe it'll come in handy if we're all on self-isolation with covid-19 :pac:

adwickham · 08-03-2020 8:57pm

It *is* what it says. Pages 12 and 13 of the booklet clearly state that Stage 1 of the process is the Online Assessment and Stage 2 is an Online Video Interview.

MrsBean · 08-03-2020 9:22pm

Well colour me corrected!

Anonire · 08-03-2020 11:38pm

Forthebuzz wrote: »

Just read through the booklet there and see that stage 2 is an online interview, have they used these for AP before? I know they did for 1st sec but haven't heard of it in the open main comp before?

Online interviews were used for the AP in Revenue last year.
Sounds similar to what is described in this comp. They give you a list of questions to pre prepare and then you log in and record them on a system. In the Revenue comp it was 4 questions. This one says 3 questions.

Riskymove · 09-03-2020 10:25am

They also used video interviews for PO so I think we can take it that it will be a standard for the moment

Sonic_exyouth · 09-03-2020 6:20pm

Addle wrote: »

Any thoughts on what counties to apply for, outside of Dublin.
I guess the cities have the biggest offices?

Limerick, Galway, Cork have big offices - where do you live ?

Happy4 · 09-03-2020 6:27pm

could someone please post a link to the booklet? I can't seem to find it.. thanks

Addle · 09-03-2020 7:15pm

Sonic_exyouth wrote: »

Limerick, Galway, Cork have big offices - where do you live ?

I’m in the west.
Asking for another (confident) applicant who is willing to move anywhere for the job.

Brera · 09-03-2020 7:18pm

Happy4 wrote: »

could someone please post a link to the booklet? I can't seem to find it.. thanks

https://www.publicjobs.ie/en/?option=com_jobsearch&view=jobdetails&cid=114935&campaignId=2045902

dee75 · 09-03-2020 8:34pm

The application form seems a lot shorter than the 2018 one. Only 3 questions, a personal statement and any supplementary information.

A lot to try and pack into answering those 3 questions.

Forthebuzz · 09-03-2020 10:20pm

Maybe I missed it but the booklet doesn't say at which stage they will do shortlisting either does it? I know for the heo they stated it would be after stage 1 but this seems to indicate that it goes straight to online interview depending on OOM from online testing?

Forthebuzz · 09-03-2020 10:21pm

dee75 wrote: »

The application form seems a lot shorter than the 2018 one. Only 3 questions, a personal statement and any supplementary information.

A lot to try and pack into answering those 3 questions.

Definitely much shorter than 2018 one!

Did you not get a placement off the last panel after scoring so well Dee??

Brera · 10-03-2020 12:39am

Forthebuzz wrote: »

Maybe I missed it but the booklet doesn't say at which stage they will do shortlisting either does it? I know for the heo they stated it would be after stage 1 but this seems to indicate that it goes straight to online interview depending on OOM from online testing?

I read it again and from what I can see on pages 12 and 13 your right it looks like it goes straight to the online interviews based on the OOM from the online tests.

It doesn’t really mention shortlisting but I’m guessing it will happen after the online interviews.

Cheeseplant · 10-03-2020 10:13am

The online interviews were used for the recent PO too weren't they? Does anyone know anyone who had experience of them? Must check through the PO thread.

BobCat123 · 10-03-2020 11:16am

Cheeseplant wrote: »

The online interviews were used for the recent PO too weren't they? Does anyone know anyone who had experience of them? Must check through the PO thread.

I know someone who had experience of them,questions provided a few days beforehand,3 minutes per answer. Someone from Pas was watching them as they did it live to ensure no technical errors etc

Riskymove · 10-03-2020 11:32am

BobCat123 wrote: »

. Someone from Pas was watching them as they did it live to ensure no technical errors etc

I think that was the online tests? the first stage, they now use remote monitoring to make sure you are not cheating. all a bit bizarre

having to show nothing in the room, or even in your ear:pac:

the video questions you just record yourself and upload I think

batista · 10-03-2020 11:56am

Is this new competition panel only going to commence from Jan 2021 when the old panel is finished or could it be sooner? Doing some research from the last comp thread to predict future possible dates (very difficult to draw definite conclusions on, but would make an interesting study!!) as I spend a lot of time working abroad.

Addle · 10-03-2020 12:30pm

I don’t think I have the technology to partake in this competition.

dee75 · 10-03-2020 2:12pm

Forthebuzz wrote: »

Definitely much shorter than 2018 one!

Did you not get a placement off the last panel after scoring so well Dee??

Long story - got offer but turned it down due to changes in my current role. Still on panel for 2nd county but there have been zero vacancies there since this panel commenced.

It's such a long drawn out process that a lot can change personally or professionally between applying and getting an offer, and you may be in a bit of a predicament as to what is best to do!

Anyway, here we go again...

quad_red · 10-03-2020 8:47pm

Brera wrote: »

https://www.publicjobs.ie/en/?option=com_jobsearch&view=jobdetails&cid=114935&campaignId=2045902

I'm sorry but I can't see the booklet on that screen either!

That link has some text and an 'apply now' button that brings you the screen that allows you download the application form.

Brera · 10-03-2020 9:00pm

quad_red wrote: »

I'm sorry but I can't see the booklet on that screen either!

That link has some text and an 'apply now' button that brings you the screen that allows you download the application form.

Try this link to to government circular.

https://assets.gov.ie/71209/e17019c6fe85446f922d58a6f8c453d1.pdf

quad_red · 10-03-2020 9:24pm

Brera wrote: »

Try this link to to government circular.

https://assets.gov.ie/71209/e17019c6fe85446f922d58a6f8c453d1.pdf

Thanks, Brera. That’s the inter departmental. Is the process identical?

Brera · 11-03-2020 9:54am

quad_red wrote: »

Thanks, Brera. That’s the inter departmental. Is the process identical?

As far as I’m aware they are. It looks like publicjobs.ie have taken their information booklet down

Cheeseplant · 11-03-2020 12:34pm

quad_red wrote: »

I'm sorry but I can't see the booklet on that screen either!

That link has some text and an 'apply now' button that brings you the screen that allows you download the application form.

I've just checked the link I posted on the 1st post in this thread and it works. If you click the information booklet it will open in another window.

Anonire · 11-03-2020 2:03pm

quad_red wrote: »

Thanks, Brera. That’s the inter departmental. Is the process identical?

When you go to upload there is a second form and there is a box to tick open or interdepartmental. Same application form

Riskymove · 11-03-2020 2:24pm

Booklet attached

quad_red · 11-03-2020 6:26pm

Cheeseplant wrote: »

I've just checked the link I posted on the 1st post in this thread and it works. If you click the information booklet it will open in another window.

They removed it temporarily to make some changes to it. As you linked above, it's back up now.

td1 · 13-03-2020 2:46am

Is anybody else having an issue opening the form? I've tried various browsers and get the same error message on each, even though I have the latest version of Adobe?

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dee75 · 13-03-2020 8:57am

td1 wrote: »

Is anybody else having an issue opening the form? I've tried various browsers and get the same error message on each, even though I have the latest version of Adobe?

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I got it downloaded via Internet Explorer. No other browser seemed to work.

Connected99 · 13-03-2020 1:20pm

https://www.publicjobs.ie/en/index.php?option=com_jobsearch&view=jobdetails&Itemid=263&cid=114935&campaignId=2045902

link to form :-)

Connected99 · 13-03-2020 1:31pm

Apologises - uploaded in error

Milenauno · 13-03-2020 3:15pm

Hi, do you know if can I apply to both open and interdepartmental or or I have to pick one?

Thank you!

BMHOPE · 13-03-2020 4:07pm

Milenauno wrote: »

Hi, do you know if can I apply to both open and interdepartmental or or I have to pick one?

Thank you!

Both, if you have two years in civil service and meet the requirements of both competitions. Same form for downloaded pdf, you only upload it once but you tick both comps on online second part of form.

dee75 · 13-03-2020 5:03pm

Deadline to apply has been extended to 16 April.

NEW 2020 Assistant Principal Officer Competition

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